LJB


I just landed two major local RSA TV adverts, a USA cable TV advert for YP.com and a national music award nomination or an album here in South Africa... I also recorded Harvey Mason of Fourplay, Japanese sax legend Sadao Watanabe and a few others for a TV show recently. I have mixed albums for several international labels. I have recorded and assisted a double Grammy-winning producer on 5 albums. I have worked on a track that's made it to #6 on the the Billboard World Music charts. I record and mix the biggest music (bands) reality show on SA TV every year.

I use Sonar X1. But that's just me :O)

AMAZING CREDENTIALS! That says it all for SX1!!

mudgel


At the moment I'm coming to grips with PT9 HD software and I can tell you its nothing like SONAR of any version.

Man is it convoluted. Not intuitive at all at this early stage of my explorations.

I teach at a multimedia college and PT is the official DAW as it is the "industry standard"...why it remains to be so...I don't understand....maybe it's because it's held that position for soooo long.

I hope SX1 becomes the industry standard soon

"Industry standards" become that way through a myriad of devious methods.  At some point, mass hysteria takes over.  The results are Zombie computer boys who actually think Intel rules - when it doesn't.  Zombie musician guys who think PT rules - when it doesn't.  People buy a bill of goods, that's all, and they hypnotize themselves into thinking they've actually used their rational minds to form their "opinions"--when they haven't.

RB

subtlearts

BenMMusTech

I am not screaming and shouting I am just saying that I like my Violin the way it was, I know all about the Multi Dock but all they have done is added an extra process where once I could press 1,2 or 3 and go to the screen that I wanted, yes I know all about screen sets and all that, once again though I just want my old violin... 

... using all caps is generally viewed as SHOUTING. I did notice that you didn't use any in your last one though. Thanks for that. 


The process of undocking the console from the Multidock should only need to be done once, assuming you save it to your project template(s), or once per project anyway. Then, once again, it will behave exactly as it used to. Really. 


I'm not going to continue arguing this with you beyond that. Music software is not really like a violin, so the metaphor is getting a bit strained. I know what you mean but the situation is what it is, CW have chosen their path and you can choose how to respond to it, and how to spend your energy that gives you the best return. Personally I'm not into tilting at windmills but I have come to accept that it's a big thing for a lot of people. 

OK not going to try and win this one with you but all I was saying is that we need to start to look at this idea of the DAW as something more than just something we input midi and or audio into.  It is more like an instrument and that is the concept that I am trying to get out there.  If you want a violin the DAW can theoretically become a violin (OK you need to know some theory to make this work but the concept is true).  I think that we are as audio producers, musicians and audio engineers need to start to look at this concept that the DAW is an instrument and a studio, the argument that you are purporting that is the DAW is nothing more than music software is so limiting.
 
As for tilting at windmills, well somebody has to go hey I am not happy with this concept.  I have invested this amount into your company and I expect this.  Once again the attitude on this forum is one of the peasant meets the lords or "we are still ****en peasants as far as I can see" come on I pay my money and rather than getting what I payed for, I am the one taking it.  I WILL NEVER LIE DOWN AND DIE and allow some oversexed, over payed undereducated corporate type dictate to me.  Sorry that rant was not directed at you sublearts.
 
As for my comparison of Live and Sonar, I was not saying that the products were similar (but Sonar is and has been adding live type stuff now for two or three versions, things like the matrix view, step sequencer and arpeggiator) if Sonar is repositioning itself as a "live" instrument then it has to meet and match all the features that Live has.  I believe that Sonar/Cakewalk/Roland are trying to do this, this is a big difference to saying that the products are a match.
 
As I was saying I want confirmation from Sonar/Cakewalk/Roland that this is the case hence, GIVE ME SOME TRUTH and then I want the old paradigm, the one where Sonar is a fully fledged DAW and Project 5 was being designed as Alberton Live type product alternative to continue.  That is all.
 
If Sonar are doing this, then great all well and good!!!!  I will use X1 for this purpose and use Sonar as a studio DAW but I know this is not going to happen but if some one complains on this forum about how they are not happy I for one will join in and give my opinion.
 
 

Jimbo 88

Bub

Jimbo 88

It just seems like these type of threads are not ligit.  Someone shows up with no posts claiming "DAW X" is way better.

Smells like radu is just marketing someone else's product.

It's comments like this that drive people away from here who have legitimate concerns that may provide input to make the software better.

Would it have been more legit to you if Frank Haas started the thread? He agreed with the OP but he's been here since 2005? He jumped right on it, first response to the OP, but I don't see you putting him down?

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BS BUB!  that's all I have to say..When someone has a problem and comes to the forum everyone tries to help.  When someone comes to sell another product it is very obvious.  Sorry you don't like the way things are going.

No BS Jim, just my opinion. No need for profanities.