radu789
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NO !! Is not possible !
Two of my friends are now switching from Sonar to Ableton Live. And this is because they don't appreciate the new Sonar . I was a big Sonar fan , but now it seems that all those right in you're face functions are now hided. For what reason ?. Now Sonar is more beautiful ,but the workflow is more ugly compared to 8.5. Jesus . If i must choose between a beautiful interface and a more efficient ugly one , of course i will choose the ugly efficient interface. I don't understand the logic behind Sonar x1 ...Why all this changes ??. To help the users ? or just for marketing image and money ?
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 05:52:40
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I had a friend visiting me a couple of days ago..
showed him a project and "X1",.. he just sat there asking "what the .... is this?". He didn't care a bit that I own the latest and greatest audio-sequencer.. he also knows his stuff.. but he'd never think about switching to X1 after what he has seen that day.
my girlfried asked from behind "is that Sonar 9 ?",(she has absolutely no clue about my software).. I was smiling, "no, thats X1" (lol)
that's almost the funniest thing I can say about X1 at the moment..
I probably only use 40% of the functionality of what I used to use with S8. If starting with a new project, X1 is ok to work with (after applying the latest patches of course).
With Sonar 8 and previous versions I was like "best friends", with X1 "we get along somehow".
but that's just my point of view and of a "few" others..
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 07:23:47
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That's what makes the world go round--differences of opinion.
The moment I dived into X1 I "got it". Some people don't. Some people refuse to try. That's ok. Personally I have never met another DAW that has such smooth workflow. Of course this is MY workflow I am talking about. Everything is organized neatly, right there in front of me, easy to find. It's the same as 8.5, just better--improved. It makes more sense.
To others Ableton makes sense, S1 makes sense, whatever makes sense. I say, good for you if you find what makes sense.
But why come here and sh it on us and the product?
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2011/05/23 08:05:12
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2011/05/23 08:26:55
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I just landed two major local RSA TV adverts, a USA cable TV advert for YP.com and a national music award nomination or an album here in South Africa... I also recorded Harvey Mason of Fourplay, Japanese sax legend Sadao Watanabe and a few others for a TV show recently. I have mixed albums for several international labels. I have recorded and assisted a double Grammy-winning producer on 5 albums. I have worked on a track that's made it to #6 on the the Billboard World Music charts. I record and mix the biggest music (bands) reality show on SA TV every year. I use Sonar X1. But that's just me :O)
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2011/05/23 08:40:28
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I'm also in the 'works for me' camp. While I appreciate that some users don't love all the changes and that some honestly preferred the old way, I really don't comprehend the suggestion that it's unusable, or that its workflow is so opaque somehow that former power-users are reduced to complete newbies and can't make anything work. Yes, it's different. Yes, there are fewer direct-access buttons on the screen all the time in case you might happen to want to use them. Yes, some functions have moved around to different menus. Yes, a few things take one or two more clicks to get at.
But is it the same deep, powerful and flexible production environment? Yes. Is it still possible to do just about anything you can imagine and achieve fully professional results? Yes. Is it every bit as powerful and sophisticated an environment as any of the other A-list DAWs on the market? Yes, it is. I'm sorry but if you don't see that you're not looking very hard.
I'm not saying everyone should love it or that it's perfect. I'm saying that anyone suggesting it's unusable or that a 'pro' would never touch it with a 10 foot pole is, at best, being wilfully disingenuous.
End of rant. I'm going to go back to being productive with X1.
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 09:20:56
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Sonar Works for me also...
It just seems like these type of threads are not ligit. Someone shows up with no posts claiming "DAW X" is way better.
Smells like radu is just marketing someone else's product.
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 09:28:29
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What they said.... I like X1...more everyday. So nar ya go. 
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 09:35:02
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Jimbo 88
It just seems like these type of threads are not ligit. Someone shows up with no posts claiming "DAW X" is way better.
Smells like radu is just marketing someone else's product.
Not only that, but he lists his name in his profile as First Name: dfghjulkhbLast Name: kjoihufytd
Come on.
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 09:57:27
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 10:04:56
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... and if your name is not 'dfghjulkhb kjoihufytd'. Is that Welsh? Maybe Twigman knows? 
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 10:06:59
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Just a thought I've had, could many of these changes been done to line up how other DAWs (PT mainly) work? I mean, if you want to bring people over from the other side you have to have ways of doing things just like the competition whether its a keystroke combination or layout. And Cakewalk probably expected people to go all up in arms and convert as well. There will always be a %age that do this. To marketing we are just numbers and they try to predict how people will react and which way will profit most. And this type of stuff happens for EVERY single new software product release out there. Its not just Cakewalk. My .02 John
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radu789
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 10:37:01
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Sorry is just my opinion .. i just have a personal feeling that cakewalk are loosing something,because for to many years they keep the same product and the same logic behind the product and suddenly they change everything . This is normal ?. I mean is like you trust a product and suddenly the company say " hey that 8.5 was not really great so we have rebuilt the entire program using a new workflow . Sorry for the inconvenience . But now you must learn again how to use Sonar" ... So i really don't understand why so many changes . Why not only a few ??. Why so many ??. Because 8.5 was really bad ??. Something stinks here
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hornplyr
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 10:40:34
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I've been grinding on X1 for 3 months now. 2 albums done and one still in the works.
Admittly I needed to "step up" to the new work flow, but I wouldn't change much of anything in X1. Fine piece of software in my opinion. Works very well for me.
Rock on Bakers.
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 10:42:59
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spanky
That's what makes the world go round--differences of opinion.
The moment I dived into X1 I "got it". Some people don't. Some people refuse to try. That's ok. Personally I have never met another DAW that has such smooth workflow. Of course this is MY workflow I am talking about. Everything is organized neatly, right there in front of me, easy to find. It's the same as 8.5, just better--improved. It makes more sense.
To others Ableton makes sense, S1 makes sense, whatever makes sense. I say, good for you if you find what makes sense.
But why come here and sh it on us and the product?
I couldn't agree more. +1
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sykodelic
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 11:18:47
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+1 FOR LOVING X1. I actually tried ableton to see what all the fuss was about and didn't like it all. Not my workflow.. I find X1 to be near perfect for the way I work. Keep up the good work cake...
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daveny5
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 11:23:44
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Two of my friends are now switching from Sonar to Ableton Live. And this is because they don't appreciate the new Sonar . Did they buy it or download it?
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 11:35:49
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You guys will probably think I'm crazy but I upgraded from Sonar to Sonar 8.5 because of the free upgade to X1 which was about to come out. I never loaded 8.5 and X1 seems pretty familiar to me in the track view and console view. I like the multi-dock and browser. It took some time to re-learn a few things but no big deal. I think Sonar 7 was more stable but with the new features in X1, I'm willing to tough it out. I've been using Sonar since S1->S4->S-7->X1.
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 11:39:35
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I Absolutely hated X1 when I first used it. After upgrading to the latest fix builds and reading sonar X1 power, I'm loving it a lot more. I had to really customize my keys, but after doing so and learning some mouse tricks, it's really slick.
I still have some issues with certain things, like the midi editing / creation is driving me nuts, but I'm still working on that. A friend tells me they made it more like fruity loops, which is makes no sense to me.
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sykodelic
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 11:52:37
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agreed. Sonar X1 power had alot to do with me loving X1 now. Screensets are great. It does take sometime to get everything customized to your liking but once you do it all starts to make sense. The other thing that has really helped X1 for me is Sonar Mods. I love the darkside mod. I did the fix the other day and booted in to the stock look and couldn't believe how plain and sterile it looked. Ran the darkside mod and back in DAW bliss. thanks panup.
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 11:54:55
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Jimbo 88
It just seems like these type of threads are not ligit. Someone shows up with no posts claiming "DAW X" is way better.
Smells like radu is just marketing someone else's product.
Not only that, but he lists his name in his profile asFirst Name: dfghjulkhbLast Name: kjoihufytd
Come on. I thought I knew him for a minute but it's his brother 'qwerty' that I know. Right, I'm back to making music......................
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garrigus
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 12:28:08
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Hey dfghjulkhb, I LOVE SX1 and that's that!
By the way, I had a classmate who's name was also "dfghjulkhb"! What are the odds!?
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Starise
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 12:41:35
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radu789
Two of my friends are now switching from Sonar to Ableton Live. And this is because they don't appreciate the new Sonar . I was a big Sonar fan , but now it seems that all those right in you're face functions are now hided. For what reason ?. Now Sonar is more beautiful ,but the workflow is more ugly compared to 8.5. Jesus . If i must choose between a beautiful interface and a more efficient ugly one , of course i will choose the ugly efficient interface. I don't understand the logic behind Sonar x1 ...Why all this changes ??. To help the users ? or just for marketing image and money ?
You have the matrix view in Sonar that is very much like Ableton Live. I really like the new changes. Having pro channel for each track is really nice.Very easy to use for me. What functions are hidden?
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 13:02:02
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Just a thought I've had, could many of these changes been done to line up how other DAWs (PT mainly) work? I mean, if you want to bring people over from the other side you have to have ways of doing things just like the competition whether its a keystroke combination or layout. I'm not sure this makes sense, if Sonar really is so much more like Pro-Tools now, and if I'm forced to learn a new app, why wouldn't I take this moment to leap to pro-tools? It's been the very fact that to date Sonar was the only app that had the workflow it did, and now it doesn't. This has actually opened up the prospect of jumping ship in a way that no previous update has. Not saying I am or otherwise (or that X1 isn't great, before I sucumb to a pompom assault) but making something more like another (better known) app surely just reinforces that the other app is better? Child
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 13:09:36
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At the moment I'm coming to grips with PT9 HD software and I can tell you its nothing like SONAR of any version.
Man is it convoluted. Not intuitive at all at this early stage of my explorations.
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 13:11:24
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sykodelic
agreed. Sonar X1 power had alot to do with me loving X1 now. Screensets are great. It does take sometime to get everything customized to your liking but once you do it all starts to make sense. The other thing that has really helped X1 for me is Sonar Mods. I love the darkside mod. I did the fix the other day and booted in to the stock look and couldn't believe how plain and sterile it looked. Ran the darkside mod and back in DAW bliss. thanks panup.
If the Dark side mod makes sonar X-1 look better then IU am all over that because the ONLY complaint I would have about the new software is how bleak and sterile it looks. I really miss thew color flow of 8.5 and being a visual person it really matters to me. other than that I really like the new stuff a lot. With the help of the X-1 Power book I was able to get a lot done much faster than I thought. Still got a long way to go yet on some things but at least we have resources to help us through it all. Thanks guys :)
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sykodelic
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2011/05/23 13:13:22
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I don't understand this learn a whole new program. Is it just me because while i think there has been some changes it doesn't feel all that different to me. def didn't feel like i learned a whole new program. I am forced to work on pro tools alot and i don't think X1 is more like protools.
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2011/05/23 13:15:47
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the darkside mod helped me alot. but there is also spring, reindeer, orpheus, lighthouse, so even if you don't like the look of darkside you will probably find one at sonar mods you like. I also use spring sometime when i am in the mood....
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John T
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Re:NO !! Is not possible !
2011/05/23 13:38:55
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I'm liking it more and more all the time. Have now really got into the swing of showing and hiding the browser / inspector / multi-dock as required, and am finding it vastly superior to previous versions on the workflow front in general.
Steepest learning curve was probably on editing in the piano roll view, as the new tools and shortcut keys are so different, but now I'm used to that I definitely prefer it (apart from the cranky snap bugs).
Only thing that really niggles me is all the abbreviation of stuff in the UI, like the incomprehensible names it gives to your hardware in some places.
Regarding Ableton, nothing wrong with people using that, it's a good program. Did a mix in that on someone else's rig a couple of months ago and quite liked it. If it's more to someone's taste, then good luck to them.
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