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NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
Monthly updates = the most unproductive time I have ever experienced in 20 some odd years of using cakewalk. I spend more time lately trying to fix problems than I do getting anything done this is has got to stop.. I have a Brand new computer i7 processor 16 megs of ram thing of upgrading to 32 baaa blaa blaa the computer has not changed the last 5 months the only constant change is a new update every month that never quite fixes anything. and then i spend countless hours in forums and trouble shooting only to get suckered in to next months update. No more im done i cant even begin so say how F*** frustrated I am with this. maybe time to find a new DAW ugggg
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 13:54:51
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What specific problems are you having? Maybe someone can help.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 13:57:10
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You don't have to update every month.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 14:04:45
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I've only updated three times this year... specifically to avoid unforeseen issues. The new model actually gives more opportunity to avoid problematic releases. Back in the "old" days we were stuck with whatever main release and limited patches we were given.
Now we can choose from whatever monthly patch works best for us.
Do I think updating/testing/troubleshooting monthly would be a massive PITA? You bet. That's why I don't do it.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 14:06:18
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Sylvan
What specific problems are you having? Maybe someone can help.
Also... this.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 14:13:31
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I can understand where you are referring to. A monthly update is also too much for me. Don´t habe time to learn every month a new feature aso That´s and some complications with some updates on my system are the reason why I update only then , when I have the time and the patience . During intensive work I don´t update - but that not only since Sonar is offering monthly updates - also before- and with other DAW´s I used- like Logic and Cubase. Remember: Never change a running system. regards
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 14:51:09
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Apparently it seems to be one of my Effects if i turn off all the effects the popping and scratchy stuff goes away... Ill admit the new ish turn off all effects shortcut is handy yay for a new feature that works.. So now i just need to track down the offending effect. I have had lots of Freezing and crashing lately. Seems like it doesn't happen on all files. Like some how some files randomly will get corrupted or some thing. or i have to open them 3 or 4 times before Sonar will open it and not crash.. Nine times out of Ten the Error reporter wont work either. It hangs and i have to close the window. One in about 20 error reports I have seen complete successfully. As soon as I get a version that is stable and does not make me restart files all the time I wont be changing anything for a long while.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 15:07:42
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xwaveform
....the only constant change is a new update every month that never quite fixes anything.
That's bold statement that's nigh on impossible for me to reconcile with the list of bug fixes published each month.  I get that you may well be frustrated. I've been taught that when I am angry it's in my best interest to take a twenty four hour breather before espousing my frustration and say things that can sometimes be irrational.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 15:17:56
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well I simply meant I have had trouble with just about every update in the last 5 months. there is nothing bold about it. it is simply a statement of my experience. My lesson here is Find an update that works and forget about updates for 6 or 8 months at least. If I walked away for 24 hours I would certainly never get anything done.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 15:34:29
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xwaveform
Apparently it seems to be one of my Effects if i turn off all the effects the popping and scratchy stuff goes away... Ill admit the new ish turn off all effects shortcut is handy yay for a new feature that works.. So now i just need to track down the offending effect. I have had lots of Freezing and crashing lately. Seems like it doesn't happen on all files. Like some how some files randomly will get corrupted or some thing. or i have to open them 3 or 4 times before Sonar will open it and not crash.. Nine times out of Ten the Error reporter wont work either. It hangs and i have to close the window. One in about 20 error reports I have seen complete successfully. As soon as I get a version that is stable and does not make me restart files all the time I wont be changing anything for a long while.
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This should be fairly easy to narrow down. What plugins are in one of the misbehaving projects? Any 32 bit plugs? Try eliminating any of these. I think you can safely discount any of the stock Sonar plugins as being problematic - so what's left after that?
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 15:38:34
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xwaveform
well I simply meant I have had trouble with just about every update in the last 5 months. there is nothing bold about it. it is simply a statement of my experience. My lesson here is Find an update that works and forget about updates for 6 or 8 months at least. If I walked away for 24 hours I would certainly never get anything done.
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xwaveform
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 15:50:16
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too be fair is was a rant.. it had rant in the title, rants are not always rational ;)
Boost11 is one of the culprits. always had really good luck that in the past it does not seem to be playing nice today. there was one other and I dont remember what it was cuz I already deleted it. but Boost is definitely not acting like it usually does for me..
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 15:55:41
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I had an issue for about 4 months that I struggled through and it turned out it was a video driver. I reverted back one driver and it solved all my issues. It wasn't even Sonar's fault.
I'm current with Platinum and I've not had any problems with any of the updates thus far.
check the Event Manager in Windows immediately after a crash. it will help you isolate any problem that is OS related.
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xwaveform
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 16:01:47
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I think I checked Video Drivers but i will dutifully Check them again. I did about a month ago uninstall my video Driver and reload it, updated it and didn't load some Nvidia gaming thing that i read somewhere (possible in this forum) that caused possible Sonar problems.
What Graphics Card are you Using?
Ill check the event Manager thanks for that
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 16:09:24
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/12/03 18:10:04
xwaveform
.. I have a Brand new computer i7 processor 16 megs of ram thing of upgrading to 32 baaa blaa blaa
Assuming you meant 16 Gigs of RAM.  Sorry. Someone had to.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 16:09:57
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I think accepted wisdom is you do not need anything special or fancy for a graphics card. Many (most) are geared towards the gaming fraternity whose needs are rather more specialised than ours. Mine is a cheap, generic thing I don't even know what it is, but it works, and it's fanless (major criteria) Also, there are much better limiters than Boost 11 available, do you own the Concrete Limiter? If not it might well pay to grab hold of it - keep an eye open for any deals/offers that Cake sometimes announce. There are also 2 bundled Blue Tubes limiters - the BW2S-3 and the LM2S-3
post edited by Bristol_Jonesey - 2015/12/03 16:26:05
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 16:16:30
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lol yes Gigs ;) well I also do 3D art so I usually try and have a decent Graphics Card
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 16:37:32
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The last update which works perfect on my machine was Everett, rolled back a few times from jamaica aso.- The new Kingston update is working really faster and more stable as everett in my box. Hope the same for you.
post edited by Pragi - 2015/12/03 16:54:24
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 17:02:05
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I know it's hard to ignore the software candy delivery man who come around every month, but if stability is your primary concern you might consider setting aside two or three times a year for updating, preferably in periods where time isn't an issue. It would be nice if every piece of software shipped were perfect, but there's no such animal. Good rant though.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 17:22:16
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What stands out to me is the nVidia card, that card can be a b*tch...
Lots of extra processes with that card...
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 17:23:47
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Have projects that worked fine before started to have problems, with all the same plugins?
It's all very well finding a plug that is causing problems, but if it worked with older
versions of Sonar, that's not good.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 17:43:49
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xwaveform
lol yes Gigs ;) well I also do 3D art so I usually try and have a decent Graphics Card
Remember too that many graphics cards install their own "secret sauce" audio drivers which can totally screw up performance. I wrote a Friday's Tip of the Week about this. One company's drivers actually stopped the hard drive from streaming when it thought what was happening with the video was more important, so you had to set super-long latency to cover the times when the hard drive was stopped.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 17:46:51
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Have projects that worked fine before started to have problems, with all the same plugins?
It's all very well finding a plug that is causing problems, but if it worked with older
versions of Sonar, that's not good.
True, but there can be several reasons for that. Kingston upgraded to VST 3.6.5. Plug-ins written to conform to take advantage of 3.6.5 will work in Kingston but might not work in previous versions. Conversely, plug-ins that weren't totally compatible with the changes inherent in 3.6.5 might work fine in older versions of SONAR, but not in Kingston. 3rd-party plug-ins have been a moving target since the day Steinberg invented VST. Not all companies upgrade at the same time. This is one of the issues with monthly updates that is legit. SONAR can be on the cutting-edge of technology but that doesn't mean everyone else is. If SONAR waited a year to update to 3.6.5, most of the plug-in vendors would have caught up by then and allowed for a seamless transition to a new SONAR version. However the flip side is that during that year, those plug-ins that DID upgrade might not work with SONAR until the updated version of SONAR was released.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 18:03:12
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What stands out to me is the nVidia card, that card can be a b*tch...
Lots of extra processes with that card...
I've been using my same Gigabyte fan less video card in three different computers over the past several years (XP, Win 7 was new machine and then Win 7 on a new mobo then Win 10 upgrade). It has thius far never failed me. And if it does. I have another spare machine (rarely used) that has the same card and I would just swap it and get a cheapo card for that machine.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 18:25:56
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2015/12/04 15:00:32
Completely agree with the OP ... and those who say "choose the best for you" ... how could you know? I'm paused at Hopkinton, not because I know really anything about the others, just so I can concentrate on work, and work-arounds for the issues that concern me. Really, the older model of an update every so often when something significant was fixed or something significant was introduced is (for me) a better model. For any CW developer reading this: THE PRV CONTROLLER PANE IS REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY TERRIBLE.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 18:26:07
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With the exception of one Windows 10 induced issue and one VERY slow SONAR update, the monthly updates have been pretty painless for me. I like em.
I'm not trying to minimize the OP's issues...'just wanted to add a bit of balance.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 19:17:02
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I read in another forum where users run the stock MS drivers in video cards instead of the AMD, Nvidia.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 19:59:28
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Completely agree with the OP ... and those who say "choose the best for you" ... how could you know?
I'm paused at Hopkinton, not because I know really anything about the others, just so I can concentrate on work, and work-arounds for the issues that concern me.
Really, the older model of an update every so often when something significant was fixed or something significant was introduced is (for me) a better model.
For any CW developer reading this: THE PRV CONTROLLER PANE IS REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY TERRIBLE.
You know by trying. If it is a problem just roll back. This is not rocket science. CW has been busy making this new system work for everybody.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 20:32:33
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2015/12/04 15:01:06
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Monthly updates = the most unproductive time I have ever experienced in 20 some odd years of using cakewalk. I spend more time lately trying to fix problems than I do getting anything done this is has got to stop.. I have a Brand new computer i7 processor 16 megs of ram thing of upgrading to 32 baaa blaa blaa the computer has not changed the last 5 months the only constant change is a new update every month that never quite fixes anything. and then i spend countless hours in forums and trouble shooting only to get suckered in to next months update. No more im done i cant even begin so say how F*** frustrated I am with this. maybe time to find a new DAW ugggg
You are not alone in your frustration. So far I have only had major issues with 2 of my 6 updates so far, both of which have been fixed by an interim update or in the next update. However, the Monthly approach is not my cup of tea either and I have been lobbying for Quarterly Updates with intermediate bug fixes for a while. (e.g. http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3308150 ). Typically posts like ours bring out the same arguments from the same people so my purpose here is merely to lend my support for your post. Keep in mind, however, that CW's marketing department probably controls this issue now and a monthly payment gives CW a steady income stream that only takes $10 - $15 out of the customer's account rather than $30 - $45 every three months. As you can imagine it is easier to sell. This has to do with the fact that many budget by the month. It also manipulates the psychology of consumers by what is referred to as "reducing the pain of payment". Cheers and good luck.
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Re: NO MORE Monthly updates for me rant
2015/12/03 20:55:28
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2015/12/04 15:01:09
+1 to quarterly updates. Cubase just released 8.5 and their forum is full of the same complaints about unfixed bugs even though they release only 3 or 4 updates per year. A couple of posts there even suggested a non-subscription subscription model would improve things. I do not think in either CW's or SB's case the release model is the issue. I think it relates more to marketing philosophy and the need to attract as many new users as possible.
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