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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/26 00:01:46
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Glad your "just passing by"...
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/26 02:10:30
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/26 11:57:33
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Vastman Glad your "just passing by"...
Well I stopped back just for you..... maybe if you believe all the stuff in you boring lectures oh wait I mean songs and how you want to change things you need to start with yourself AND maybe in ten thousand years you will see as far as I see.. then maybe I will give you the opportunity to talk to me. but until then unless you have something "related" to any comment I make here just shut up and STOP harassing me!
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/26 13:51:10
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/01/26 14:09:20
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Vastman Glad your "just passing by"...
Well I stopped back just for you..... maybe if you believe all the stuff in you boring lectures oh wait I mean songs and how you want to change things you need to start with yourself AND maybe in ten thousand years you will see as far as I see.. then maybe I will give you the opportunity to talk to me. but until then unless you have something "related" to any comment I make here just shut up and STOP harassing me!
Hey Dave, why not simply go away* and stop bothering people that try and contribute. You add nothing of value. Maybe in 10,000 years I'll understand you, but I don't think that would be long enough. *Mod Edit
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/26 17:19:04
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NAMM in general has becoming less and less of an attraction. In this economy companies are trying to cut budgets, and the brick and morter music stores are slowly going away, in favor of online retail. NAMM was all about manufacturers giving sales pitches to retailers and when the "reseller" is the Cakewalk online store, or Steam, or the Windows Market place, what is the point of investing a lot of dollars in advertising things when Twitter, Facebook and You Tube are far better at reaching the potential customers.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/26 18:46:30
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☄ Helpfulby Makzimia 2016/01/27 23:35:23
Alright - folks - please knock off the back and forth bashing. It serves no purpose for any furthering of the forum's intent, and is not allowed. Please consider either just agreeing to disagree, or consider blocking each other from seeing the other one's posts. Thanks, :) Bob Bone
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 01:53:23
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☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2016/01/27 19:50:32
Paul P It'll be interesting to hear what Craig has to say on this subject, once he gets back.
Well, I do take requests  ...Andrew pretty much nailed it from the Cakewalk standpoint. But, here's another perspective and remember, I speak here for myself - not Cakewalk or Gibson. NAMM stands for National Association of Music Merchants - retailers. Software is not much of a retail business any more, it's mostly downloads. When Apple announced Logic for $199, made it available only from the App Store, and pulled it from retail shelves, that pretty much marked the beginning of the end for selling software at retail (not to mention the decline of Pro Tools' Mac market share). This also had serious consequences for smaller companies that develop Mac software, like MOTU; fortunately they had a strong audio interface business to keep them going. Windows has traditionally had a somewhat smaller share of the music market than the Mac, so it had even less "pull" with retailers to stay on store shelves after the Mac stuff went away. Another reality is that the number of audio interfaces outsells the number of DAWs sold or updated by a huge margin every month. So either people are using 7 or 8 interfaces with their copy of SONAR or Cubase or whatever, or...there are a lot of people stealing software via torrents. Native Instruments and Ableton stopped doing trade shows a long time ago. Both took the huge sums of money required to participate, and re-invested it in growing their companies. Both are extremely successful...draw your own conclusions as to how "necessary" trade shows are for software companies. At the inMusic booth, Sonivox and AIR were dropped from the list of companies - inMusic is getting out of the software business because they can't make any money from it. All those companies from a few years back selling iPad apps? Gone. The only truly successful ones are making apps part of a hardware/software combination, like IK Multimedia. Even Steinberg was relegated to a small demo space in the huge Yamaha Marquis ballroom at the Marriott hotel. The attitude of some people on this forum makes it obvious why software companies are having such a hard time: people don't want to pay what's required for these companies to grow and prosper. They have this unrealistic sense of entitlement that they should be able to pay $50 - $150 a year in a tiny, tiny business and get flawless code, insanely great support, discounts, their pet feature requests implemented, deals, and a big trade show presence. Frankly, what's amazing is that Cakewalk has delivered what it has delivered, but that's only because of the company's dedication and Gibson's commitment. No, I don't take off weekends. And with very rare exceptions, neither do Andrew or Noel. But if a job needs to be done...I worked 14 hours straight last Saturday, Sunday, and Monday prior to NAMM to finish the eZine and do final quality control on the Gibson Bass Collection expansion pack. I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm just asking for people not to post ridiculous speculation about Gibson, Cakewalk, NAMM shows, and tax writeoffs. I got home at 5 AM, it's 12:30 AM the next day, and I'm writing this because...I was asked to. So I am. FWIW many companies basically subsidize their software through sales of interface hardware (or in the case of Apple, $800,000,000,000 in the bank and a zillion iPhones; or in the case of Reaper, selling Winamp to AOL back in the day for $500,000,000) - remember, hardware can't be downloaded from a torrent. So, software-only companies have to do whatever they can to try and meet the unrealistic expectations of consumers who are unaware of the realities of being in business. In today's world, a big trade show presence for a small company makes zero sense. IMHO a company like Cakewalk might do better by taking the money they would spend on a trade show, and setting it on fire. That way they wouldn't have to go to the show, and could stay back at the office and get real work done, which ultimately would be far more beneficial for all the end users. And yes, I was at the show, but in a very different context from demoing SONAR. I moderated a panel discussion with the creme de la creme of the keyboard world, as well as participated on a panel with representatives from the MIDI Association, Google, Microsoft, Roland, and Roli about extensions to the MIDI spec (e.g., MPE and Bluetooth MIDI). I participated in another panel on "building a band in the digital age" with Stewart Copeland of the Police, Brian Hardgroove from Public Enemy, and representatives from Sennheiser, WholeWorldBand.com, and ReverbNation.com. I'm also on the board of the TEC Awards, and had several meetings involving that and its future direction with the head of the TEC Foundation, Joe Lamond from NAMM, Elliot Scheiner, Erik Tarkanian, etc. etc. and of course I attended the awards. But NAMM shows also take on a life of their own. I was not prepared for how many manufacturers wanted to meet and talk about the resurgence of Harmony Central, for which I am Editorial Director. Many are looking to it to become "the Switzerland of the industry" that gets people excited about playing, recording, and listening to music. After almost a year-long (and difficult) struggle to fix the damage that had been done prior to Gibson's acquisition, this was kind of our "coming out" party to show off the mobile-friendly structure and other enhancements. We even had companies contact us about setting up meetings because they wanted to advertise with us. That's unheard of - usually the media has to pester companies to advertise. I also did quite a bit behind the scenes on behalf of Cakewalk. I am very close (cross fingers) to putting together a partnership which I think will benefit the Cakewalk community FAR more than my answering questions in the Gibson booth about when SONAR's going to be available for the Mac  . Understandably I can't go into details about these kinds of things, but suffice it to say I am always on the lookout for the Cakewalk community's best interests. Finally, Gibson has a world-wide team of product specialists that visit music stores for one-on-one training and discussions with store personnel and managers. This is vastly more effective than what can be done at NAMM. However, where a NAMM show shines is for the kind of space Gibson's guitar divisions are in this year. The 2016 models have been extremely popular, but it's not possible for the product specialists to bring every model Gibson makes to a store. There was a back area of the Gibson booth, separate from the public, where dealers could check out all the latest Gibson guitars in depth. Trade shows are becoming more relevant for some product categories and less relevant for others. Rather than waste resources on a major presence at NAMM, Cakewalk instead is devoting those resources to what actually matters...like working on really cool updates for 2016. I suspect those who complain about Cakewalk's lack of presence at NAMM would also be first in line to complain if the 2016 updates didn't meet their expectations...because the company blew its resources on a trade show.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 09:22:07
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Another look behind the curtain. Thanks for that Craig.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 10:10:44
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Another reality is that the number of audio interfaces outsells the number of DAWs sold or updated by a huge margin every month. So either people are using 7 or 8 interfaces with their copy of SONAR or Cubase or whatever, or...there are a lot of people stealing software via torrents. I hate a thief. I wish there were a way to put a self destruct code in Sonar that would wipe out a whole drive unless the software is determined to be pirated. I know it isn't something that can happen since now in many places software can be sold as used. I know it isn't realistic but I wish it was. The attitude of some people on this forum makes it obvious why software companies are having such a hard time: people don't want to pay what's required for these companies to grow and prosper. They have this unrealistic sense of entitlement that they should be able to pay $50 - $150 a year in a tiny, tiny business and get flawless code, insanely great support, discounts, their pet feature requests implemented, deals, and a big trade show presence. Frankly, what's amazing is that Cakewalk has delivered what it has delivered, but that's only because of the company's dedication and Gibson's commitment. No, I don't take off weekends. And with very rare exceptions, neither do Andrew or Noel. But if a job needs to be done...I worked 14 hours straight last Saturday, Sunday, and Monday prior to NAMM to finish the eZine and do final quality control on the Gibson Bass Collection expansion pack. I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm just asking for people not to post ridiculous speculation about Gibson, Cakewalk, NAMM shows, and tax writeoffs. I got home at 5 AM, it's 12:30 AM the next day, and I'm writing this because...I was asked to. So I am. Thank you Cakewalk Andrew, Noel, everyone else there... and Craig. This is one reason I chose to use Cakewalk's discount for 2016 rather than the cheaper discount from an online shop. I could have saved about $15 but I'm sure that part of the lesser payment would have gone to the online shop. I am not against taking a discount but I DO want Cakewalk to make money. We ALL benefit if Cakewalk is profitable. I want the employees to make a good living as well as the company to make a profit after having enough money for good R&D. Again, thank you. I know for a fact that Cakewalk is a generous company and they care about their users. I have seen it. Cakewalk is a rare gem in this world of online business. After reading more and having a better understanding on NAMM and where the DAW fits in the whole thing. I think that most if not all who see Sonar on a computer, on a table, in the Gibson booth, know what it is. It is not a retail store. I had NO idea of the costs and I imagine if not for Gibson, Cakewalk would not have been there at all. Who can blame Gibson for concentrating on their guitars and hardware, not me. I don't think for a minute that Gibson does not want Cakewalk to succeed, I think that they do. Like it or not, everything changes and this will too. Eventually something will replace the DAW just like the DAW replaced (mostly) tape. 20 years ago 4 and 8 track cassette recorders and ADATs were the thing. Like it or not, things are moving toward mobile, for the masses, for the person who just wants to record a song. Engineers will still use the DAW or something else for a long time... but things ALWAYS change and we can never predict what the change will be or we would all be multi millionaires by the time we reach 50 years old because we would know how to invest, what will be collectable, etc. We should be glad to have what we have. I know I am. Things (in recording) are SO much easier, SO much better, and SO much more affordable today (for the amateur) than anytime in the past. Sorry, I got carried away, but really. J
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 11:06:07
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Great post jbow
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 13:05:05
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Mr. Anderton: agree with most of your points. The ratio of paus DAWs to interfaces might not be as bad as suggested. I own Sonar, Studio One V3, and Reaper. I believe that many others own multiple DAWs. i also believe that customers having unreal expectations is not solely the fault of said customers. Companies set the prices, and if the industry is cannibalistic whose fault is that? i agree that Sonar is providing exceptional value which is why I have been a customer for over 20 years.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 13:40:05
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I think the elephant in the room is that there are too many DAWs on the market and something eventually has to give. As Craig pointed out Apple is able to sell Logic at best break even or more likely at a loss, because they're using it to promote hardware sales of MacBooks. Because there's no equivalent sales model in the PC market, companies are left to fight like sharks over market share in a niche market. Because there are so many DAWs on the market there is going to be a competitive price structure, not just to attract new customers but to retain the ones they have. I think Craig's comments on the complaints wasn't about the pricing structure, it's more from a standpoint of the cost of doing business, and when people expect a large elaborate display at NAMM what is that going to do for their sales? If they could triple their sales figures it might be worth them doing something like that, but if not then it's a wasted expenditure.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 15:21:59
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Thanks for the inside view Craig. It looks like the energy that everyone got caught up in the past has faded. It used to be that those that went were excited to go and those of us left behind were just as excited to hear from them, as if we also were there. This year there's only your somewhat gloomy trip report and total silence from Cakewalk. Whether or not it makes economic sense to be present at NAMM (and it looks like it's really expensive and also that software companies are teetering on the edge) it was a way to make a splash in person (that would get reported on within various online forums) and on youtube (I see there are at least two of Cakewalks's presence last year). It was a fun time of the year which is now apparently gone. (I'd gladly give up a weekend or two if it meant going to NAMM and hanging out with superstars  )
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 16:24:48
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might be better to have no presence than an unoccupied one
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 17:05:56
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Anderton Well, I do take requests 
And you really do play those requests well. Where's the tip jar! :)
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 17:09:17
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jbow I hate a thief. I wish there were a way to put a self destruct code in Sonar that would wipe out a whole drive unless the software is determined to be pirated. I know it isn't something that can happen since now in many places software can be sold as used. I know it isn't realistic but I wish it was.
Lol if we had that we would surely wipe out your drive on next launch :-P I was at NAMM this year but the sole purpose was to meet up with our other Gibson brands and some of our partners, including the big guys like Microsoft and Intel. NAMM is a convenient place to meet other industry people under one roof. I was so busy in meetings that I barely had time to even see stuff at the show. I was at our booth probably only a few hours. I did salivate over some of the new Gibson 2016 guitars though :) Its never been a show for end users - in fact you cannot buy tickets for NAMM. Its only open to exhibitors or people who get NAMM passes. Companies get a limited amount of NAMM passes that we give out to our artists and partners. See this: https://www.namm.org/faqs/how-do-i-attend-namms-trade-shows-and-show-open Given this, its curious why so much fuss was made over our low attendance there. As Andrew and Craig mentioned many software companies have chosen NOT to participate anymore due to the high cost of running a booth there and low return.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 17:29:25
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scottfa The ratio of paus DAWs to interfaces might not be as bad as suggested. I own Sonar, Studio One V3, and Reaper. I believe that many others own multiple DAWs. Yes, but do you run them with multiple interfaces, or the same interface for all of them? I have access to monthly industry unit sales figures for DAWs, virtual instruments, and interfaces, and way more interfaces are sold. i also believe that customers having unreal expectations is not solely the fault of said customers. Companies set the prices, and if the industry is cannibalistic whose fault is that? Because there is a certain naivete among customers, they hold a company like Cakewalk to the same performance and price standards as an Apple or Microsoft. What Apple did to take over the Mac music software business makes sense from a business standpoint, but it reduced pricing to where no music industry company has the resources to compete (although frankly, SONAR seems to be having a lot fewer issues than El Capitan did  ). All's fair in love, war, and capitalism, but as companies that can't compete drop off, customers have fewer choices. And when there's less competition, the remaining companies have less incentive to really push the envelope. denverdrummer I think Craig's comments on the complaints wasn't about the pricing structure, it's more from a standpoint of the cost of doing business, and when people expect a large elaborate display at NAMM what is that going to do for their sales? If they could triple their sales figures it might be worth them doing something like that, but if not then it's a wasted expenditure. Exactly. Unless a company's presence at NAMM produces enough orders to cover the cost of going, it's not worth it. Paul P Thanks for the inside view Craig. It looks like the energy that everyone got caught up in the past has faded. It used to be that those that went were excited to go and those of us left behind were just as excited to hear from them, as if we also were there. This year there's only your somewhat gloomy trip report and total silence from Cakewalk. Overall, the attendance set a new record (over 100K people) and don't get me wrong, there was a lot of exciting stuff but it was almost all about hardware, not software. I didn't get to see much of the show but there was quite a bit of interest. I'm going to look over the Harmony Central show report to see what I missed as soon as I debrief. Whether or not it makes economic sense to be present at NAMM (and it looks like it's really expensive and also that software companies are teetering on the edge) it was a way to make a splash in person (that would get reported on within various online forums) and on youtube (I see there are at least two of Cakewalks's presence last year). It was a fun time of the year which is now apparently gone. It's not really gone as much as changed, and not necessarily for the worse. Yes, items appear in show reports and YouTube, but the the noise-to-signal ratio of social media is substantial. For example I don't know how many people will buy the Gibson Bass Collection expansion pack because they saw me on YouTube, but I suspect it's not very many...probably the video othat's on the Cakewalk site is more effective. It's still fun to drool over the cool new gear, but having that translate into purchases that support a trade show presence is the problem. Without getting too specific, to have the presence of a major manufacturer like Korg or whatever is going to cost at least $100K and more like $250-300K, not to mention the disruption of attending. There's nothing wrong with that if you can justify it, but in many cases there are better ways to spend that amount of money. The overall economy is still not in great shape, but the real problem in our corner of the world is the fact that software can be stolen easily and without penalty. That remains an extremely serious problem. The irony is that if everyone who stole SONAR paid for SONAR, the price would drop much further than it is now, making it more affordable for everyone.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 17:45:23
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One thing is for sure . That 2016 Gibson ES 275 looks pretty good  Yes, I want one . Kenny
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 18:14:56
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That's exactly the one I liked. I'm getting one:) Plays and sounds great I only played it acoustically though.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 19:30:35
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Andrew, Noel, Craig, thanks very much for the background information. In view of the reality my future postings shall be more useful respectful. Perhaps its we who should be ashamed...? I certainly must confess to having had the illusion of Cakewalk Megacorp Inc., partly from the Brandon/Seth videos where they're broadcasting from the Cakewalk studios. Makes you wonder what motivates guys like Bitwig to enter an already crowded market.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 20:18:18
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jpetersen Makes you wonder what motivates guys like Bitwig to enter an already crowded market.
I expect that they love doing what they do, and aim to do it for as long as they can sustain doing so.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 20:28:27
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
jbow I hate a thief. I wish there were a way to put a self destruct code in Sonar that would wipe out a whole drive unless the software is determined to be pirated. I know it isn't something that can happen since now in many places software can be sold as used. I know it isn't realistic but I wish it was.
Lol if we had that we would surely wipe out your drive on next launch :-P I was at NAMM this year but the sole purpose was to meet up with our other Gibson brands and some of our partners, including the big guys like Microsoft and Intel. NAMM is a convenient place to meet other industry people under one roof. I was so busy in meetings that I barely had time to even see stuff at the show. I was at our booth probably only a few hours. I did salivate over some of the new Gibson 2016 guitars though :) Its never been a show for end users - in fact you cannot buy tickets for NAMM. Its only open to exhibitors or people who get NAMM passes. Companies get a limited amount of NAMM passes that we give out to our artists and partners. See this: https://www.namm.org/faqs/how-do-i-attend-namms-trade-shows-and-show-open Given this, its curious why so much fuss was made over our low attendance there. As Andrew and Craig mentioned many software companies have chosen NOT to participate anymore due to the high cost of running a booth there and low return.
LOL.. I only said I was a knife, I never said I was a sharp knife! You know what I meant though. People pirating software are stealing your time, your life. It is a terrible thing to do. Pease don't wipe my computer, lol. J
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 20:31:11
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] That's exactly the one I liked. I'm getting one:) Plays and sounds great I only played it acoustically though.
I saw a u tube video you did w your wife and a full Jazz Band .... Yes, Noel you are an excellent guitar player  I hope you do get it ... Kenny
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Anderton
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 21:11:47
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John T
jpetersen Makes you wonder what motivates guys like Bitwig to enter an already crowded market.
I expect that they love doing what they do, and aim to do it for as long as they can sustain doing so.
You have just defined the people who work at every single company in this business that makes music software.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 21:52:35
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A couple of points: most pirates would never buy the product anyways. That makes it really hard to quantify lost sales I imagine. I bow to Mr. Anderton's access to sales data on the rest. Secondly, I wonder how long employees of any company can work the really long and stressful hours described without burning out and making a lot of mistakes. The concerns me when Cakewalk puts the added pressure of monthly releases. I am troubled by other aspects of this model too. Where does the long term planning fit into is model? Eventually nasty deep coded rewites have to be done. A former boss of mine stated " if you plan depends on execution by extraordinary people , you need a new plan"
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 21:57:55
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scottfa A former boss of mine stated " if you plan depends on execution by extraordinary people , you need a new plan"
I think you need the extraordinary people to see what needs doing, then the ordinary people to get it done.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 22:14:57
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I think the extraordinary need to make the plans, but how many companies have folded or slipped significantly when the " guru" leaves for one reason or another? Hard to keep finding and keeping gurus I imagine😊 I think great sports teams are not led by one guru on the field. Takes a lot of motivated non-gurus to win. My only sports analogy for sure!
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Anderton
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 22:25:27
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scottfa A couple of points: most pirates would never buy the product anyways. But they're willing to buy the interface so they can run it. Fair's fair. Secondly, I wonder how long employees of any company can work the really long and stressful hours described without burning out and making a lot of mistakes. Because they love what they do. White water rafting is a lot more stressful than sitting by a hotel pool, but some people would rather shoot the rapids. It's how they're wired. The concerns me when Cakewalk puts the added pressure of monthly releases. We've been through this time and time (and time) again but here's reality: Development on a program occurs over the course of a year. Everybody doesn't show up the month before a big yearly update. You can either sit on what you develop, or you can release it as you develop it. The monthly model actually is a lot more efficient because you don't end up with a huge pile of bugs at the end of the year, but a manageable number of bugs in a month that get fixed by the next month. I am troubled by other aspects of this model too. Where does the long term planning fit into is model? Much of what you've seen released was planned at the very least months, and sometimes years, in advance; there's a roadmap. However, the big advantage of the current model is the flexibility. Had people not said they really wanted what patch points ended up offering, that feature would have been introduced much later. I'm going up to Boston on February 8th because I've been asked to be involved in planning that covers the present, 3 years from now, and 7 years from now. Eventually nasty deep coded rewites have to be done. Not when you're cleaning up as you go along every month. Rewrites are being done all the time, and they're not "nasty"...they're optimizations that just make SONAR better. I think most everyone would agree that SONAR has never been faster or more stable. Let's hear it for "nasty" rewrites A former boss of mine stated "if you plan depends on execution by extraordinary people, you need a new plan" I'm glad he wasn't my boss. I prefer those who want to inspire the people with whom they work to be extraordinary.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/27 23:25:55
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I have read your response, Craig, and I am just blowed away! I run my own business with my wife- we have ran an insurance agency for 27 years working 6 foot from each other. It's intense, demanding, risky and just tough. I look at Cakewalk and what I see is pretty wonderful. Everything has it's time like is said in Ecclesiastes but this is a great company, albeit small in a tough world. When I have had questions (this is my third to 4th time in the rodeo since 8.5) I reach out and am amazed at the mature, responsible and caring responses I get. I so appreciate good people- I know, being in the business world, that everyone has some positive light in them but a lot of the souls in this world really weigh on people. What I have received from Cakewalk and the people lightens my load and gives the boy who watched the neighbor girl play guitar in 1967 a good feeling that I too can finish music I have been working on for a lifetime. That day in 1967 I remember I told myself 'that's what I want to do'. Thanks for helping me do that all these years later.
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Re: Namm 2016 - Gibson should be ashamed....
2016/01/28 00:31:14
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Anderton ...there are a lot of people stealing software via torrents.
When I worked in Music Retail this is what I found too. I sold a hell of a lot of interfaces (A few each week for 8 years) but only sold DAW software maybe 3-4 times. Admittedly a lot of the interfaces were small and came with bundled 'LE' versions of DAWs which may have been sufficient for many people.
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