Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute!

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2014/05/07 04:32:50 (permalink)

Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute!

Feature request is closed (for now) but I wanted to see if we can get a pole started to see how many people believe that screensets would be more functional if they were made to be absolute.
i.e. to say, a screenset should remember everything EXACTLY as it is set, and we should never have to reset something because screenset has no control over that visual aspect of the gui.

Specifically I'm talking about the controller pane in the PRV and also the piano keyboard on the left side of the PRV.
As most of you know, there is no way to hide the controller pane in PRV ( and also the piano keyboard on the left )
and have it stay hidden the next time we open that project, or even the next time we go back to that screenset.

I'd like to hear from users who agree that this needs to be implemented,
and I'd also like to hear from Cakewalk staff with an explanation
as to why the controller pane (and piano on left) in PRV is always popping up and can't be gotten rid of on a permanent basis, either by saving the project with it hidden, or by creating a screenset with it hidden and locking the screenset.

If the developers have a concrete reason why this impossible, undesirable, if they think there are are too few of us that want it, or why they just don't want to do it, then I'd like to hear about that also.

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Now on a personal note, so no one wonders why I'm asking about this, and no one chimes in telling me why I need the controller pane, I know when I need it, and I know when I don't want it.
My general big project template is usually 6 PRV open and locked in the dock.
Some of those PRV need the controller pane hidden and some don't.
One of them, which contains every midi track in the project, always needs to have as much realestate as possible so it needs the controller pane and the keyboard on the left to be gone, all of the time.

Side note to the Cakewalk team:
Sonar Producer 4.0.2 always remembers and reloads the project with the controller pane hidden and the piano on the left hidden.

Is this lost functionality an over sight or "as intended?"
If it is 'as intended' then can you please tell us what we users gain by this intention?


Thank you!
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    icontakt
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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/07 11:11:31 (permalink)
    +1
     
    Other things screensets fail to remember:
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Screensets-dont-remember-the-status-of-Xray-CWBRN22220-confirmed-by-CW-m2962126.aspx
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Locked-screensets-forget-the-size-of-track-folders-CWBRN22215confirmed-by-CW-m2967239.aspx#2967570
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Status-of-PRVs-note-button-not-remembered-with-projectscreenset-Confirmed-by-CW-m3022397.aspx#3022397
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Locked-screensets-dont-lock-height-of-tracksbuses-added-after-locking-Confirmed-by-CW-m3002445.aspx
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Locked-screenset-displays-wrong-synth-after-deleting-synth-CWBRN21833-confirmed-by-CW-m2965429.aspx#2965569
     

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/07 11:32:47 (permalink)
    Yes I would like this also. It's a PITA to close the PRV and reopen and have to reset everything.

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/07 12:21:20 (permalink)
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    Specifically I'm talking about the controller pane in the PRV and also the piano keyboard on the left side of the PRV.
    As most of you know, there is no way to hide the controller pane in PRV ( and also the piano keyboard on the left )
    and have it stay hidden the next time we open that project, or even the next time we go back to that screenset.

     
    Key/Pitch pane size not being recalled has always bugged me, but I don't have any trouble with the Controller pane status/size being recalled so long as I never close/remove the docked PRV tab from the screenset (which I don't). This may be one of those things that has to be set once with the PRV un-docked and un-floated, and if you then save a project that's in a working state as a template, all subsequent projects started from that template will work properly.
     
     

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/07 15:07:52 (permalink)
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    Steve_Karl
    Specifically I'm talking about the controller pane in the PRV and also the piano keyboard on the left side of the PRV.
    As most of you know, there is no way to hide the controller pane in PRV ( and also the piano keyboard on the left )
    and have it stay hidden the next time we open that project, or even the next time we go back to that screenset.

     
    Key/Pitch pane size not being recalled has always bugged me, but I don't have any trouble with the Controller pane status/size being recalled so long as I never close/remove the docked PRV tab from the screenset (which I don't). This may be one of those things that has to be set once with the PRV un-docked and un-floated, and if you then save a project that's in a working state as a template, all subsequent projects started from that template will work properly.



    "Key/Pitch pane" - do you mean to say Meter/Key?
    I tested your "this may be one of those things" and no. It doesn't solve the problem.
     
     

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/07 15:08:57 (permalink)
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    +1
     
    Other things screensets fail to remember:
     


    Thank you!


     

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/07 15:13:14 (permalink)
    Grem
    Yes I would like this also. It's a PITA to close the PRV and reopen and have to reset everything.



    I'm not talking about totally closing the PRV.
    I would expect to have to reset the views on it if I closed it altogether,

    But that would be really slick if it could do what you're talking about also,
    i.e. remember that last ( I'd call it ) "window state" of any closed or reopened windows.

    *That* would be one powerful, user friendly, work flow enhancing piece of software!
     

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/07 23:52:44 (permalink)
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    I'm not talking about totally closing the PRV.
    I would expect to have to reset the views on it if I closed it altogether,




    Poor choice of words on my part.
     
    Exampe of what I meant: On ScreenSet 1: Have Session Drummer set to a drum map. Then open the clip in the PRV and move the keyboard/piano view all the way down, not showing. Then change ScreenSet and then go back to Screenset 1 and there is the keyboard back again.
     
    IOW, I cannot setup a Screenset for a PRV that has a drum map, and have that view retained as I change screensets. Every time I come back the keybaord view takes up the whole veiw and I have to readjust and rezoom.
     
    Is this what your talking about? PRV not keeping certain views after changing ScreenSets?

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/08 00:41:32 (permalink)
    I would submit this as a bug.
     
    Kind regards,
     
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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/08 01:33:32 (permalink)
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    Steve_Karl
     
    I'm not talking about totally closing the PRV.
    I would expect to have to reset the views on it if I closed it altogether,




    Poor choice of words on my part.
     
    Exampe of what I meant: On ScreenSet 1: Have Session Drummer set to a drum map. Then open the clip in the PRV and move the keyboard/piano view all the way down, not showing. Then change ScreenSet and then go back to Screenset 1 and there is the keyboard back again.
     
    IOW, I cannot setup a Screenset for a PRV that has a drum map, and have that view retained as I change screensets. Every time I come back the keybaord view takes up the whole veiw and I have to readjust and rezoom.
     
    Is this what your talking about? PRV not keeping certain views after changing ScreenSets?




    Yes! Exactly ... that's it.

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/08 01:39:56 (permalink)
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    I would submit this as a bug.
     
    Kind regards,
     
    Living Room Rocker



    Thanks LRR,


    Yes. It might be a bug, since 4.0.2 always remembers to keep both hidden if that is how I set and save set them in 4.0.2.
    ... but that was 9 or so versions back,
    ...so that's why I wanted CW to weigh in also about the possibility of it being "as intended" even if it was intended by someone 6 yrs. ago who wrote it into a previous version somewhere after 4.0.2.
     
     

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/08 07:40:56 (permalink)
    Looks like the keyboard resizing bug has been present since version 5:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Drum-maps-in-PRV-Left-pane-keeps-resizing-m2961888.aspx
     
    As for the Controller pane issue, a workaround can be found in this recent thread:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Workaround-Hide-Midi-Velocity-bars-completely-m3023102.aspx
     

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/08 07:59:43 (permalink)
    Thanks for pointing that out Tak. I was working on some stuff and was wondering why I didn't use ScreenSets more. It wasn't long before I remembered!
     
    But I have to say, that with the present shortcut keys, I really am not missing ScreenSets. I found that I can set the PRV with a drum map, hit Shift+d, and it is full screen and can work well this way. When I'm done and want to go back to the TV, I just hit d and the PRV is out of the way. Hit d again, and the PRV returns just like I had it. No keyboard, no zoom problem, nothing but how I left it.
     
    I also use this method to work with plugins.
     
    I just wish I could find a way to toggle/tab through the Multidock Tabs.

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/08 08:19:54 (permalink)
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    Thanks for pointing that out Tak. I was working on some stuff and was wondering why I didn't use ScreenSets more. It wasn't long before I remembered!
     
    But I have to say, that with the present shortcut keys, I really am not missing ScreenSets. I found that I can set the PRV with a drum map, hit Shift+d, and it is full screen and can work well this way. When I'm done and want to go back to the TV, I just hit d and the PRV is out of the way. Hit d again, and the PRV returns just like I had it. No keyboard, no zoom problem, nothing but how I left it.
     

     
    Well, if you work with the full-size MultiDock you won't have this minor issue, but I leave 2-3 tracks visible above the PRV and I sometimes mistakenly hit D and Shift+D in the wrong order and it initializes the MultiDock height. Also, I sometimes change the height and width of the track headers or heavily zoom the track view several times during editing and if I want everything back to the layout I saved I just use the "Revert Current Screenset," which is very helpful (except for the very issue mentioned in the OP).
     
    Grem
    I just wish I could find a way to toggle/tab through the Multidock Tabs.


    You just need to move your left hand and hit Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right Arrow keys on the right side of your keyboard.

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    I just wish I could find a way to toggle/tab through the Multidock Tabs.


    You just need to move your left hand and hit Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right Arrow keys on the right side of your keyboard.




    Sweet!! Thanks for that! I have tried to find the keys to do this. I never thought to use those two keys!!
     
     

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/08 09:15:16 (permalink)
    Grem...I have to say, that with the present shortcut keys, I really am not missing ScreenSets. I found that I can set the PRV with a drum map, hit Shift+d, and it is full screen and can work well this way. When I'm done and want to go back to the TV, I just hit d and the PRV is out of the way. Hit d again, and the PRV returns just like I had it. No keyboard, no zoom problem, nothing but how I left it...


    That's basically what I'm doing.  Maybe my needs are simple, or maybe I'm still just working pretty much as I did in 8.5 without adapting my workflow in the way the X series is implying that I "should" work.

    I'm not using screensets.  I have one basic screen with everything I need easily available.  I have PRV, Tempo, and sometimes Staff tabbed, ready to pop up with "D" whenever I want, but with a couple of tracks always visible above so I can simultaneously work with clips and the details of the clips i.e. MIDI data.  My second screen has the Console.  That populates my screens the same way I had them in 8.5, and re-sizing sections by dragging temporarily has long since been part of my routine.   My WizMouse makes anything instantly available without having to click in a given area to activate it.

    When I open a project-in-progress, of course everything is just as I left it.  Every project uses the same set up, no aggravation of losing a view, because nothing was ever closed in the project, just temporarily collapsed.

    Works for me!  I did set up some screensets, but they take too long to load, and unless I'm wanting something I rarely use, like Matrix, there's no advantage - It's just a slower way to get to what I already have set up.

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    Re: Need X3 Users to weigh in on: PRV Controller Pane - Please make screensets absolute! 2014/05/08 14:03:19 (permalink)
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    Looks like the keyboard resizing bug has been present since version 5:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Drum-maps-in-PRV-Left-pane-keeps-resizing-m2961888.aspx
     
    As for the Controller pane issue, a workaround can be found in this recent thread:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Workaround-Hide-Midi-Velocity-bars-completely-m3023102.aspx
     


    Thank you!
    The work around is a satisfactory and tolerable compromise.



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