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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:13:14
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Beepster Yeah, man. I'd be all over that stuff if my body wasn't so mangled and I had the tools. As it is just my usual string replacement, polishing and intonation adjustments leave me pretty sore. A proper table and some blocks should help with that though. Right now I do it all on my bed or in my hands which isn't ideal. Cheers. The neck relief adjustment and all intonation adjustments are best made in the playing position- not with the guitar on a table. IMO.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:17:50
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@spacey... heh, well no but definitely wrecking strings after a couple session. After a while I had to tell them not to play my guitars. And I'll keep that intonation insight in mind. Makes sense considering the neck could be getting bent slightly on a table.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:22:12
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Yeah...gravity and other forces. So an LP strings will last a few weeks and a Strats strings will last 5-6 hrs due to body chemistry. I'll be getting me coat...I stayed up to late last night. :)
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:23:14
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Spacey - I get what you meant. I previously said no mater how much I play it or not. That wasn't formulated properly, sort of combined 2 ideas w/o realizing it. Actually, the strings used to last longer than they do nowadays, because I guess my acidity level weren't as bad. So even playing it 6 hours a day, in the old days, they'd last for quite a bit longer. I think I remember changing the every week or two. Meaning that one or two 6 hours sessions may be enough to corrode them w/ my current acidity level, but, in my mind, that's not a lot compared to my old standards - or anyone else's I guess.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:26:08
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spacey Yeah...gravity and other forces. So an LP strings will last a few weeks and a Strats strings will last 5-6 hrs due to body chemistry. I'll be getting me coat...I stayed up to late last night. :) They don't last longer - but most likely due to the fact that the LP is louder and has more sustain, I can go on playing them longer. Not for weeks though, I couldn't tell, I prefer to change them every week or so. The strat is much quieter - and the action is also lower, which probably doesn't help. They just sound muffled and lifeless.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:29:23
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Haven't they changed a lot of how strings are manufactured in recent years for environmental reasons? Different chemicals and steel makeup? Might be part of the problem.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:30:52
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Not impossible, indeed. It may contribute. Maybe I should try something else, like those new cobalt strings.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:31:23
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Rain my thoughts if you were a customer at my counter... What metals have you tried and did you keep notes? If there is no lasting improvements due to using different metals have you tried coated strings? My goal would be to improve the life of the strings either by string choice or practice habits. Currently the only practice habit I can think of would be to increase the time that the strings are wiped down during a practice session because we are going on the fact that there is a chemical issue that I wouldn't be ablt to resolve. The best course of action until it is resolved is to try every availible/known option. Adding powders and such is just going to compound the problem by coating the strings with unwanted coatings LOL. I think a wet towel to wipe your hand(s) on often and one for wiping the strings (dry one) and possible some coated strings may help prolong the playing time and save ya a few bucks.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:37:06
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I would also try something like this. The concept not that particular brand is what I'm getting at. I know they make the stuff for mechanics. It dries on your hands and may not wear off on the strings....worth a try I'd think. Here is another.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:39:47
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I had a bandmate who was allergic to nickel. His entire hands and forearms would break out in nasty hives if he played on nickel strings.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:41:09
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People should wash after playing too. Don't believe me....wipe your eyes after a good session. No don't do that...take my word and just wash.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:42:31
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Oh and I used to tell my students to keep their hands clean but wait like 20 minutes or so after washing them before picking up the guit. If you wash the oils off your hands they will secrete more for a while to compensate. Let your skin balance itself out before playing and it might help. Cheers.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:44:29
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Maybe those that I've seen play with their feet have an advantage LOL.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:50:12
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If I did that my guitar would get very stinky. ;-)
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 14:50:37
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 15:12:44
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Ew... I don't want my feet to smell like urine.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 15:15:29
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Rain, I don't think you have a serious problem, or an uncommon one. Many folks gum up strings. Most of my customers change their strings every day when gigging, and that's for maybe 3 hours of playing. I have a couple others that never change strings until they break. I find that most people have a different sensitivity to the sound of new strings. Some guys figure they're dead while the next guy says they're fine. In my experience pure nickel strings lose those extra harmonics more quickly then something like GHS Boomer's, which are a blend of nickel and stainless. DR makes a number of strings with coloured coatings that last pretty well. I've tried Elixir's and not liked them, but there's another coated string that Phil X is promoting. I haven't tried them but Phil has good ears. Have a Google. So stay away from pure nickel and try stainless wraps or coated. You will be much happier.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 16:34:30
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This would sure be worth trying out Rain. Be selective with your strings. Realize that "pure nickel" is only about 8% nickel (usually electroplated steel) and steel. A very good string. Optimum for magnetic pups and easy on the frets. Stainless?......you're frets...your choice. Found under premature fret wear. Sorry John... I sure wouldn't recommend them unless the guitar had stainless frets or the cat didn't mind a fret job in the near future. How long strings last?....opinions I put with what good tone is. I change mine when I see rust or they break....and until I go for a keeper recording or I'm adjusting a guitar...what in the world does it matter if I can still play in tune for practicing? JMO. A phosphor bronze may be a good string to try out with some of that stringlife. I'd sure try that before the liquid gloves ( which was a bad joke....that nobody seemed to think was funny but me)
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 17:21:51
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Just curious (since I, fortunately, don't have this issue), but is there anything you can wash your hands with before you play to alter the PH? As opposed to putting something on your guitar that is.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 17:43:57
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Rain Not impossible, indeed. It may contribute. Maybe I should try something else, like those new cobalt strings. I just picked up a set of 10-52s for mine today after I get done running through it real good cleaning and doing a setup on it. I hope they sound good on recordings
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 17:46:16
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Wow - that's a lot of good advices and tips there folks! I usually use Ernie Ball Slinkies - I used to use GHS Boomers and loved them but I probably fell on a bad batch if such a thing is possible and started breaking e strings non-stop, and since we were gigging all the time, I needed a reliable alternative, quick. Could have been related to the bridge but switching to Ernie Ball fixed it and I never looked back. But I've been wanting to go back to heavier gauge - at least for E-A-D-G strings, keeping lighter gauge for E and B. (9 and 11). If that's possible. So I'm looking at different options already. And I guess I'll have to take what they're made of into consideration. I guess we all have our definition of playable strings. Apparently, Tommy Bolin seldom changed strings, yet he sounded amazing. On the other extreme, Metallica had theirs changed many times a day while recording the black album. (I guess they could afford it.)
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 17:58:10
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Rain Most likely due to the climate change and maybe also the trip on a plane, my new Epi Les Paul seems to need some adjustments (intonation issues). And since I'm no guitar tech, especially in the case of a LP, I'd prefer to ask a pro. I've started shopping around on the internet and I'm also expecting some feedback from the musicians working for Cirque here in Vegas. But I wouldn't take any decision w/o also asking you guys before. Since it's the first time I actually have to pay someone to do that, I have no clue what a fair price should be. So far, I've found one guy who does the basic set-up for $85 (seems fair to me). Aslo, if you've lived here/been here and know of anyone that you'd recommend, please chime in. :) Welcome to Vegas. I can recommend G.L. Davis- Luthier, at Cowtown guitars, 1009 S. Main Street. Vegas... has a unigue effect on guitars.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 18:12:19
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I used to like the Blue Steel (Dean Markeley I think) but they were a little too expensive for me. Now I use D'Addarrio XLs. Very good quality and just about the best price for a brand name... especially in bulk. I used to use Slinkies as a young lad but I think I grew out of them. I'm too aggressive to have the strings wobbling around. Same reason I slowly progressed from .09s to .11s. Bit of a biznotch to bend but my hands are strong enough now and they stay in tune better, last longer, don't break as often and when I do my big nasty open chords they hammer right through even the thickest walls of sound. Not quite strong enough to jump to .12s like Stevie but I also don't downtune a semitone anymore like he did.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 18:21:22
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I'm pretty sure the work Rain needs is Vegas climate orientated. Party towns create their own climate, which is never stable, but some hotshot will try top steal the whole scene and, wham!, your tuning is out and intonation is off. Environment in small spaces.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 18:26:24
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Craig B. - I usually use a gentle anti-bacterian liquid soap, the stuff we use for tattoos. Craig - I was hoping you'd chime in - thanks for the advice. In my SRV days, I've tried .10s, hoping that I'd even progress to .11 - but there's just no way I could bend strings comfortably. I have huge hands but thin fingers, so I was soon back to 9 to 42. That being said, I could use heavier strings for E to G. Nothing crazy, but, say, 46 and so.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 20:12:45
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They have 9.5's now (DR is an example). Maybe that could be a compromise?
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/29 20:33:50
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Really? I've just found that there's sort of an alternative standard - 9, 11, 16, 26, 36, 46. Seems right to me, at least as a starting point. Apparently, EVH, Dimebag Darrell and Ace Frehley all have custom 9-46 sets. However, I still wish my fingers were strongers. But turning 40 this year made me realize that I'd rather focus on what I have and make the best of it. Still, if those fingers were as strong as they're big, I'd be in business... :P
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/30 00:06:54
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Rain Really? I've just found that there's sort of an alternative standard - 9, 11, 16, 26, 36, 46. Seems right to me, at least as a starting point. Apparently, EVH, Dimebag Darrell and Ace Frehley all have custom 9-46 sets. However, I still wish my fingers were strongers. But turning 40 this year made me realize that I'd rather focus on what I have and make the best of it. Still, if those fingers were as strong as they're big, I'd be in business... :P I tried Ernie Ball Hybrid Slinkies a few times. They are 9,11,16,26, 36 and 46. Nickle-wound steel.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/30 03:40:34
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For string gauge I like 10 - 46 on Fender scale or PRS and 10 - 52 on my Les Paul. I hear Billy Gibbons uses 8's. Don't know how he can play a burst with 8's, way too slinky for a hacker like me. As for my earlier post WRT stainless steel strings. I don't know of any pure stainless strings, but I thing GHS boomers have a stainless alloy wrap. A lot of stuff sold as stainless these days (like an amp chassis) are a soft alloy that has nothing in common with high grade knife quality steel.
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Re:Need some work done on the Les Paul...
2012/10/30 08:24:05
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I've got a Martin Backpacker that I take every where that has the 20 year old OEM strings on it. The darn thing sounds like a Mandolin when I play it and I don't want to mess up the magic with a fresh set of strings. When a string finally breaks... I don't know how I'm gonna feel about that instrument. One of my favorite sets of strings lately has been a set of flat wounds I make up by buying a set of Fender light flat wounds and a single "10". The flat wounds are something like 13-52 but I end up with a 10-47 set, or something like that... I forget the details. Another favorite set is the Rickenbacker semi flattened 10-42s... those things feel sort of slinky and sort of flat wound. Hard to find... easy to play. Each of my guitars has different strings and set ups so that they each have something interesting to offer when you grab them. I usually buy 10 packs of strings when it's time to re supply so I have a big plastic box of all kinda my favorite strings. Fun stuff. best regards, mike
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