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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 12:38:43
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to add to it... if the guys i rely on for studio work start turning me down cause they just got a better deal on the exact same system from some big box store then I'll have no choice then to switch to a product that everyone on the block doesn't have. the demand for professionals to use cakewalk products would vanish. the recording industry has always relied on having gear the other guys don't. I've worked hard to make sure that my studio is one up on the the rest of the guys around me.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 12:44:45
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i don't know why they would put all the connections on one side of the controller. that means if you want to run your daw to the right... as would be the case in my studio i would have a bunch of longer than needed cables shooting off into the middle of my room... would be better off the back.
I thought the connections at the side is a good idea. I have limited space and connections at the back take up space I could put to better use. I suppose connections and the back, left and right would meet all requirements but put the price up.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 12:52:35
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Hey - I was just pointing out the link...
I say the more the merrier. If people buy their software at BestBuy, that is going to fill Cakewalk's pockets just as well as any other method (maybe better).
Dell started selling at retail and I think it has helped them with better cashflow while still not affecting their strong server-based business product lines. IOW: They didn't sell-out, they sold more. If Cakewalk can make themselves the "standard DAW" by upping their market saturation, that means bigger staff, more devs, more pipelines, better responsiveness, etc - for everyone - provided, of course, that Cakewalk doesn't lose sight of their original intents and their core user base that has brought them this far.
Stepping off soap box. I'm still interested in knowing whether the PCR series ACT controller plugs will benefit from the changes.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 13:02:51
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the demand for professionals to use cakewalk products would vanish. I disagree. I think it will make the real professionals work a little harder at proving their worth, but habing professional tools does not make someone an artist/producer/engineer/etc. A lot of people that I know who are not idiots, are fairly computer capable, are great musicians, but still don't "get" the recording thing. They understand the concepts but the execution isn't there. And this is just the basics. When it comes to properly setting recording levels, having the right hardware and external gear, having the right room and treatments, and having talent and great ears needed to adjust things like compressor settings, getting reverbs and delays to sit right in the mix, etc, it's really out of their league. It's a pretty specific skill-set and a lot of time investment to get there. It reminds me of a conversation I had with a photographer who shoots weddings. He's a pro. Been doing it traditional ways for many years. He has recently gone all high-end digital and is pretty good with Photoshop for fixing or enhancing photos. He knows how to light the place, set his flashes, detailed camera settings, proper depth of field, etc. His price reflects his experience. Now that everyone and their brother has a high megapixel camera, possibly embedded in their phone, he thinks that his business is doomed. I say, these are like software pirates are to software companies - it's not really a lost sale, because there's a pretty good bet that this person wouldn't have spent the $2500 on wedding photos if their digitals didn't exist anyway. They would have gotten disposables from the drug store or just done without. What I'm getting at is that these people aren't, weren't, and aren't going to be his customer. No loss. People who have a clue and a budget to hire a professional in whatever field are not interested in doing business with someone without the credentials and experience as well as referrals from others. Now, if these people just challenge the pros and can do "just as good a job", then that's a different problem with a different solution 
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 13:05:05
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smoochy
to add to it... if the guys i rely on for studio work start turning me down cause they just got a better deal on the exact same system from some big box store then I'll have no choice then to switch to a product that everyone on the block doesn't have. the demand for professionals to use cakewalk products would vanish. the recording industry has always relied on having gear the other guys don't. I've worked hard to make sure that my studio is one up on the the rest of the guys around me.
Just because they can buy the software at Buest Buy does not make them professional. If you are doing quaility work it does nto matter what software you use. Pro tools s al over but just because some kid picked up a copy with his audio card does not make it Pro Tools HD does it? Peace.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 13:20:35
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smoochy
to add to it... if the guys i rely on for studio work start turning me down cause they just got a better deal on the exact same system from some big box store then I'll have no choice then to switch to a product that everyone on the block doesn't have. the demand for professionals to use cakewalk products would vanish. the recording industry has always relied on having gear the other guys don't. I've worked hard to make sure that my studio is one up on the the rest of the guys around me.
Look, if you have a studio, then you should sell "YOU" and your professionalism. Who cares what product you use. I understand why you are saying what you are saying now. The problem that I have is that - Sonar and ProTools and Logic and everything else has been available to the public for decades. Why are your clients oblivious to this? I'm getting the impression that we are not talking about professional studios...and we are talking about neighborhood studios. Cakewalk controllers begins sold at Best Buy isnt hurting Cakewalk, it's hurting neighborhood studios. Is that the statement that should really be stated? Professional studios are ones where: - I have Sonar and my client has Sonar, but the sound is totally different. Sell yourself and your style -not the fact that you own something. That's just my opinion.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 13:39:47
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smoochy
to add to it... if the guys i rely on for studio work start turning me down cause they just got a better deal on the exact same system from some big box store then I'll have no choice then to switch to a product that everyone on the block doesn't have. the demand for professionals to use cakewalk products would vanish. the recording industry has always relied on having gear the other guys don't. I've worked hard to make sure that my studio is one up on the the rest of the guys around me.
Look, if you have a studio, then you should sell "YOU" and your professionalism. Who cares what product you use. I understand why you are saying what you are saying now.
The problem that I have is that - Sonar and ProTools and Logic and everything else has been available to the public for decades. Why are your clients oblivious to this? I'm getting the impression that we are not talking about professional studios...and we are talking about neighborhood studios.
Cakewalk controllers begins sold at Best Buy isnt hurting Cakewalk, it's hurting neighborhood studios. Is that the statement that should really be stated?
Professional studios are ones where: - I have Sonar and my client has Sonar, but the sound is totally different. Sell yourself and your style -not the fact that you own something. That's just my opinion.
it's more to do with perception. obviously if some guy is willing to spend 600 on daw software at best buy he has it in his head that that is all he needs to get it done. weather or not he has the talent is e relevant. the fact that thinks he does is enough. you may be a terrible driver but just because the guy down the street says he's a better driver than you doesn't mean your going to ask him to drive your car for you.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 13:54:27
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Professional Studios don't concern theselves too much about perception. Profesional Studios rely on product. If a studio is a studio based on what it owns (these days), then its not a "Professional" studio. It might be a studio, but it's defenitely not a Professional One. Pepsi / Planters Peanuts / Colgate / Skittles are some of my clients. Those companies could buy everything that I have - a million times over. They don't care what I use to produce their tracks. All they care about is end product. Period. I produce an end product for them that is guaranteed consistant and professional and industry standard and quality. No red tape - professional and quick. The "guy down the street" is not a client I'm chasing. When the line is crossed into professionalism - the rules change. Don't throw that word "professional" around loosely.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 14:26:37
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If I want to buy something at the best price that is my perogative if I want technical support from a local techy then I would buy from them the problem is BB will never support the product as well as someone that can put on weekly classes at their music store. This is why I would buy it local and from someone with knowledge of the program. Not that the forum isn't doing it's job. It's actually the main reason I use sonar. But sometimes we need to get someone to help us that is local.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 14:30:30
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I was just upset to see sonar sold at bestbuy , mainly for the fact that going to a specialty shop dedicated for professional music equipment and software just feels right .. Now for me still being the software it was yesterday I love it.. But upsetting in my eyes to see it flocking everywhere, theses are little things that make us feel special maybe not to some , but certainly a few .. Being professional is all how you do! not your equipment ect.. but its what make of it. Where its sold dosent matter but for me being a 100% professional software should be sold by someone who cares about music or at least in job that pertains to the music field.. Best buy I can bet 99.6 % of there Employee's have no idea what Sonar is unless they read The box ..
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 14:30:54
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If I want to buy something at the best price that is my perogative if I want technical support from a local techy then I would buy from them the problem is BB will never support the product as well as someone that can put on weekly classes at their music store. This is why I would buy it local and from someone with knowledge of the program. Not that the forum isn't doing it's job. It's actually the main reason I use sonar. But sometimes we need to get someone to help us that is local.
that's true.
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smoochy
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 20:25:06
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I'm going to put myself out on a limb hear so please be kind on your responses. unfortunately... my eyes aren't set on big business gingles or doing midi background music for video games. i don't do re mixes of already produced music and bastardize it for drunk teenagers. or write rave tracks... not that there is anything wrong with that. my sights are set on album production period. "musicians" who are interested in recording an album using a professional grade studio definitely pick the studio for the gear it has in it and expect to see gear that isn't easily available to them...as well as it's reputation. these guys do actually care what you are using just as much as how well you can use it. and it is a very personal experience for all involved in it. no matter how you choose to use your daw it is always about the end result... that has always been true since the dawn of recording studios but there is a huge difference between producing media for the corporate world and hosting a live recording session with musicians trying to capture a performance. in that world the gear is as important as the talent. now adays it's up to the studio to find the project and having that little edge makes it easier. the last thing in the world i want is to be known as the McDonald's of the studio world... money is not what drives me... and luckily for me it doesn't drive my studio either. I'm not a big studio but i do offer the guys who record in it the ability to use top notch gear that they otherwise would have no way of obtaining... that included the use of the v studio... of which i have the only one around. make no mistake these guys are smart and probably, given the same gear, could do it themselves... their not a couple of corporate dudes who have trouble working their ipods and are impressed by a cool lap top. they know how to use the gear... they just can't afford it. in fact i learn just as much from a lot of them as they learn from being in the studio. i'm not so concerned about the loss of money as i am about the loss of the studio environment... i'll probably always be a break even studio... that's why most of us have day jobs... but to loose the group creative environment would be sad... i'm an old dog and i still remember the magical feeling of going into the studio with a band and recording and all the amazing consoles and gear... as well as a time when you didn't have to be the rolling stones to play in front of huge crowd. and for me it was a full time job six nights a week for almost 25 years. i just think it's sad that many young musicians will never experience that kind of atmosphere and it's kind of like this is just another nail in the coffin... just another peice of the magic dissapeiring... I'm sory if i insulted any of you guys out there... i know many of you own i-pods...lol
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 20:44:52
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"cakewalk sells their product under the description of "professional DAW systems" having big box stores carry it just cheapens it some how."
complete bs. The only way it is going to cheapen cakewalk products is that it will cost less to buy it!!! And more people will have access. I see at Namm this year even digidesign is giving big discounts on some of it's stuff. Cheapening it? No, reacting to competitive pressures. The world moves on smoochy.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 20:48:28
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smoochy
I'm going to put myself out on a limb hear so please be kind on your responses. unfortunately... my eyes aren't set on big business gingles or doing midi background music for video games. i don't do re mixes of already produced music and bastardize it for drunk teenagers. or write rave tracks... not that there is anything wrong with that. my sights are set on album production period. "musicians" who are interested in recording an album using a professional grade studio definitely pick the studio for the gear it has in it and expect to see gear that isn't easily available to them...as well as it's reputation. these guys do actually care what you are using just as much as how well you can use it. and it is a very personal experience for all involved in it. no matter how you choose to use your daw it is always about the end result... that has always been true since the dawn of recording studios but there is a huge difference between producing media for the corporate world and hosting a live recording session with musicians trying to capture a performance. in that world the gear is as important as the talent. now adays it's up to the studio to find the project and having that little edge makes it easier. the last thing in the world i want is to be known as the McDonald's of the studio world... money is not what drives me... and luckily for me it doesn't drive my studio either. I'm not a big studio but i do offer the guys who record in it the ability to use top notch gear that they otherwise would have no way of obtaining... that included the use of the v studio... of which i have the only one around. make no mistake these guys are smart and probably, given the same gear, could do it themselves... their not a couple of corporate dudes who have trouble working their ipods and are impressed by a cool lap top. they know how to use the gear... they just can't afford it. in fact i learn just as much from a lot of them as they learn from being in the studio. i'm not so concerned about the loss of money as i am about the loss of the studio environment... i'll probably always be a break even studio... that's why most of us have day jobs... but to loose the group creative environment would be sad... i'm an old dog and i still remember the magical feeling of going into the studio with a band and recording and all the amazing consoles and gear... as well as a time when you didn't have to be the rolling stones to play in front of huge crowd. and for me it was a full time job six nights a week for almost 25 years. i just think it's sad that many young musicians will never experience that kind of atmosphere and it's kind of like this is just another nail in the coffin... just another peice of the magic dissapeiring... I'm sory if i insulted any of you guys out there... i know many of you own i-pods...lol
Wonderfully stated. I agree - that experience was nice. Old school studio environments were great. That kind of "The studio can afford it, but common folk can't" idea is fading fast. Technology and competition is forcing the old school studio out of the window. Now-a-days things are different. Not wrong, but different. There is a different magic. A young magic. Now-a-days, people don't have to go to a studio for that magic. They are makng that new magic in their own homes. I've embraced this new magical environment and I've found it just as exciting. It's even more challenging than before. You have to really work for this new magic. You really have to be different in the new studio environment. You have to find a way to be different with the same technology as everyone else. You have to find something that sets you apart. There are now millions of studios on the planet, with only about 10 professional DAWS. Money used to separate the best from the rest. No longer. In my estimation, its the real thing now. The actual work is going to have to be the thing that separates the best from the rest. As it is in sports and just about everyone else. Technology and Competition (resulting in low costs) have evened the playing field. Some don't like it, but it's a reality. It's never going back to the old school way separating the best studios from the rest, so the easiest thing to do now would be to embrace it, buckle down and enjoy the ride. Cakewalk is a company. Companies have bottom lines. For most companies, the bottom line is profits. The more sales, the more profits. Cakewalk hasn't changed their price, they've just allowed more people access to their product. The problem for most old school folks is that - More people can afford it. Hmmm....maybe you can suggest that Cakewalk up their price.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 20:50:41
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You guys are brutal. You can buy Digidesign and Logic there too. I just saw a M-Audio keyboard Logic package on an Apple at Frys.
Who cares?
It's time consumer electronics stores grew up. Many of the music stores have done more to Cakewalk than visa versa. The new Cakewalk controllers look exactly like a model of the PCR. I bought a PCR 800 two days before the release of the new controllers. My ESP must be slightly off. Who knew? They are all Roland products and I can only hope that Cakewalk will support them all. I know I have.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 21:08:08
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Our consumer software is at all the Best Buys. There are a small number of Best Buy stores that have an true music store inside of it. That is where you can buy our MI/Pro products and our competitors too. You can buy guitars, drums, software, controllers, amps etc.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/15 22:01:33
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I was in the Downer Grove store around the holidays and they actually had some knowledgeable staff.
I did think it was funny though that the Best Buy was the only local store to have a Roland AX Synth in stock.
Best Buy isn't getting the word out that they has some stores that are stocking music equipment also.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 01:31:20
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I think the new controllers look nice and have an useful amount of controllers on them (8 pads, 9 sliders. 9 rotory knobs). I have a 88 key controller, but I wish one of the new Cakewalk controllers had a 88 key option with a lot more rotory knobs :). Also, I prefer the synth-like keys to the weighted action keys for playing softsynths, so I welcome this bit of info from Robin Kelly. I am looking to get a controller to replace my old 49 key controller, and the A 800 PRO looks interesting. I actually think I may get it. I'm wondering what the pricing is gonna be, too. BestBuy announced early last year that they would start selling music related products. It sounds a bit ridiculous that Cakewalk is somehow out of line for allowing their products to be sold by other stores. This could bring competition with the so called pro audio stores, and maybe pricing will go down for us consumers. I say this is a good thing. Let the pro audio stores offer us better deals, if they want to keep our business. I have no problem with Cakewalk products being sold at other stores such as Best Buy. There is a Best Buy closer to me than the Guitar Center I go to. With Cakewalk products being sold at BestBuy, that will save me some gas money and make it possible for me to receive the product immediately after I make the purchase. That sets well with me in view of the fact I would have to wait on my purchased product to be delivered by snail mail, if I was to purchase it from some online store. I say it's beneficial for me if BestBuy is selling Cakewalk's new hardware products. As a matter of fact, I wish they would. LOL
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 02:11:19
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are these new controllers a leaner version of the previous Edirol PCR's? the Edirol PCR's have 18 assignable velocity pads in which they can be enabled as drum pads for drumming. They also have 5 more additional programmable controls and a slider for crossfading. The keys also has aftertouch. So with these modifications I believe the new Cakewalk controllers are a trimmed down version of the previous controllers with the new features that Robin Kelly mentioned. It sounds like the new controllers will be more easily integrated with Sonar especially with the transport buttons and the newly revamped ACT. But when it comes down to which one offers more assignable controls and pads I think the Edirol PCR 300,500 and 800 is the clear winner.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 03:17:47
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The Fact of the matter is CW is hurting our local music stores.. This is bad Marketing On CW.. CW is selling out, and thats what there doing. Im sorry to say. Available Now at Brick and Mortar shops all over...
Please, won't someone think about the children??  This thread is hilarious! Pro Audio stores, what are they? If you mean Guitar Center, Bwahaahaa! That ship has sailed. The Keyboard guy at my local GC didnt know what aftertouch was. The pro audio guy never heard of Neve. They sell PT m-powered all day, to go with the $99 interfaces. I would buy software at Cracker Barrel or Denny's if they sold it. To equate a store with some sort of product elitism is downright bizarre. Honestly, it never occurred to me, in any field whatsoever, to ask a pro "where" they bought something. If the guy doing my MRI at the hospital buys the software at Best Buy, I'm fine with it. I'm sure that some of the great novels of our time will be written on software that the author bought at Best Buy, or even worse: it came free with the computer. An E-machines computer! That teenager at Best Buy who doesnt know what a midi cable is won't just drop 5 bills on Sonar PE on a whim. Not one single person will, ever. How many people are in a store and say "I've always wanted to learn how to bowl. Hey, I'll buy that $500 bowling software"? None. When that teenager (or adult) has the money and the desire to spend 5 bills, they have lot's of choices from the interwebs to Best Buy to GC etc. Generally, if the prices are all the same, they will go to the place with the best service. In my market that leaves GC, Sam Ash and any music store within 100 miles outta the picture. Best Buy around here has WAAAAY better service.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 03:24:28
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smoochy
to add to it... if the guys i rely on for studio work start turning me down cause they just got a better deal on the exact same system from some big box store then I'll have no choice then to switch to a product that everyone on the block doesn't have. the demand for professionals to use cakewalk products would vanish. the recording industry has always relied on having gear the other guys don't. I've worked hard to make sure that my studio is one up on the the rest of the guys around me.
smoochy, CW products have been available to anybody and everybody for many years. Go back through the countless threads started by new users who thought that by buying a "Professional DAW" product there would be a "magic button" that instantly created great music. The value of the product is in the knowledge of how to use it properly, not in where it was purchased. BTW, your statement "the recording industry has always relied on having gear the other guys don't" is rather misleading. There's never been a piece of gear that anyone with the money couldn't buy or rent (other than boutique "in-house" designed items). Unless you have a cabinet filled with vintage mics and preamps and/or a room designed by Augspurger or Hidley (or any of the other noted acousticians) the only "edge" you have on your competitors is the quality of service you provide. Nothing listed in your "sig" really sets you apart from about any other project studio. I don't mean that in a derogatory way. Just trying to set the record straight about the "damage" CW has (or hasn't) done by allowing their product to be sold in a chain store such as Best Buy.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 04:30:45
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Ditto on the post from ClassicalGuy about Guitar Center. Waited nearly 20 minutes a few days ago for the young 'un who was "serving" me to get off his cell phone. Finally was able to ask the guy about lefty models. He pulled up a computer screen and told me "No, we don't have any; but our guitar tech can show you how to restring a regular model." *LOL* Won't be shopping there again anytime soon.
Next day I drove a mile further down the road to a "true" locally owned music store. Was just "looking around" as it were. The clerk (should I say sales engineer?) in the guitar section didn't look familiar to me (and I'm sure he didn't know me from Adam).
As "fate" would have it, I happened to spot a lefty LP Studio hanging on the wall (nearly out of view for anyone not really scanning the wall for anything out of the ordinary). Seems someone had ordered it, paid a deposit, then never came back when the guitar arrived. I wound up buying the guitar (for about the same price as an Epiphone repro would cost). Before I even gave my name (let alone my credit card) to the sales engineer he took the guitar behind the counter and placed it on a luthier's workstation. Checked the intonation and action. Then asked me to play it to see if I needed any further adjustments (while informing me that any adjustments needed within 90 days would be complimentary). I played a few riffs from "Free Ride" and "Listen To The Music". The guitar handled as nicely as I expected.
When I handed it back to him he then wiped down the strings and polished the body (front and back) then inspected his work prior to carefully placing it in the case. Then he asked me what brand and gauge of strings I preferred. The strings were complimentary (without my even asking).
Now then, for those of you "regular" guitar players this may all seem trivial. However, for us "lefties", we are often treated as the bastard step-child and finding a quality instrument (without ordering online) and getting quality service makes a difference.
I used to do a lot of business with this store (dating back to the early 90's). Then they needed to expand and had to change locations. Their current location is really inconvenient for me (traffic in that area is a real **** most any time of the day) but I'll continue making a trip there every now & then for things I need right away.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 12:01:19
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are these new controllers a leaner version of the previous Edirol PCR's? the Edirol PCR's have 18 assignable velocity pads in which they can be enabled as drum pads for drumming. They also have 5 more additional programmable controls and a slider for crossfading. The keys also has aftertouch. So with these modifications I believe the new Cakewalk controllers are a trimmed down version of the previous controllers with the new features that Robin Kelly mentioned. It sounds like the new controllers will be more easily integrated with Sonar especially with the transport buttons and the newly revamped ACT. But when it comes down to which one offers more assignable controls and pads I think the Edirol PCR 300,500 and 800 is the clear winner.
I'd have to agree with you. But now that Cakewalk has their own line of controllers obviously made by Roland-Edirol, I'm wondering if the the PCR's will get pushed to the back burner in terms of new control maps, templates, etc. I'd like to control the V 700 C with mine from the keyboard position. The dedicated transport buttons are certainly a clincher. I haven't put the PCR 800 software in yet but perhaps I can put together a control map to operate the transport from the 16 A & B buttons. If I'd have known they were going to come out with Cakewalk Midi controllers I'd have bought the 800 model.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 12:26:59
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well at least you guys we'rent to brutal with your replys...thanks for that. man i must be from a different country/planet...or just too freeken old... oh ya i am. to this date... none of the big box stores around here carry anything more than ps2's and game boys and really overpriced crappy pc's. there is only two music stores here that carry cakewalk and only one that has a rack of anything to speak of. i'm glad that daw exists... and yes it has put the recording world in the hands of more people then ever before just as the mass production of vehicles have put them in the reach of millions...although i have to say, probably quite a few of them shouldn't be aloud to drive...lol and stuff is really cheap and all of that... but what's being left behind. are we going to be able to point at a lap top one day in the musical hall of fame and say... "ya that's where pdidy bastardized a bunch of old rock songs and od'ed on crack?" i guess it is my age that makes me think about where it is all going and definitely makes me take stock. it's quite the paradox... on one hand i love all the new stuff and the ease at which it is used. on the other hand i still embrace the old school ways. i get into elevators now and hear stairway to heaven... i wonder, will they be playing mnm in the elevators when your old? it's kind of funny... we used to play live to attract the interest of record companies so we could go into the studio and make records for people to listen intently to in their basements. now we record in our basements, so we can make videos of us playing live. we've eliminated the middle man...which i don't mind... but in doing that we've also eliminated the need to play live as well. here i go being old again but when i was young i could go out any night of the week and see well polished bands like the guess who. now a days you'd be hard pressed to find a coffee house guitar player on a Saturday night... where i'm from anyways. one of the first bands out of hear to do it all in the basement, get signed, release their album and become reasonably big stars were the crash test dummies. we all new the guys and were good friends and all of us were proud of them but none of us had even seen them play or even knew they could. in fact they hadn't played live up to that point. I'll give you a hundred bucks if you could tell me who the guy was that engineered their first album or what he called his studio... with out looking it up or reading a cd case. that guy is still here... struggling like the rest of us here. my old guitar player now runs a pretty successful mastering studio and we talk often about the current affair of the music business and also the class of talent being sent to him... i remember him telling me, not to long ago..." you know i would give my left nut to see what i thought was the worst band I'd ever seen back in the 70's" we had a laugh about it and then the smile kind of ran away from his face. most of the really good older musicians around here are studio players now... hired guns with no real attachment to the project they are working on. i can't name names but our beloved bass player who's "life is not a highway" is still working and living here because of this type of attitude. if none of us need eachother for anything anymore then all we're going to get from now on is one guys opinion of what a good music is... instead of a collective opinion. which i still believe produces a better product. but i'm not the one that has to worry about mortgages, kids shoes and all the other crap that comes with being young. all i have to do is sit back and enjoy what i have and remember the old days... it's pretty sweet. I'm sure if i was twenty and had to live in the rat race again i would have the same opinions about all of this. but in my case i'm going to have to say... been there... done that. sorry for hijacking the thread... again.... i have to go take my Geritol now.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 12:37:59
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Smoochy, I doubt if you're much older than some of us around here. One of my first sessions (I was a teen) was cut on an Ampex 3-track machine. I can tell tons of horror stories about "bouncing" tracks to be able to keep adding material to a "master" tape. As I stated, I didn't mean anything derogatory by my post, but times have changed because costs have gone down and technology has opened the door for new people. As an "old-timer" I sometimes find that offensive. Then I think of what new opportunities are being made available to talented musicians who, 30 years ago, might have been denied the chance to "go for it". BTW, I know who the Crash Test Dummies are (the lead singer was Brad something or another, I believe) and I still long to play "live" gigs every now and then. Even though I'm in my mid-fifties. I actually mentioned to my wife a few nights ago that I missed playing in clubs at times. I have a closet full of guitars (I'm a lefty so I'm prone to buy what I can get my hands on)...I've done studio session work for years (keyboards and guitar) but I still have the "lust" for playing live. I don't think any of us "old-timers" ever lose that desire. 
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 12:47:18
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smoochy >> ... need a full 88 keys...
Couldn't agree with you more !
smoochy >> ... i don't know why they would put all the connections on one side of the controller. that means if you want to run your daw to the right... as would be the case in my studio i would have a bunch of longer than needed cables shooting off into the middle of my room... would be better off the back.
Or, if they wanted to keep it to the side, to at least duplicate them on both sides, so we could choose ...
smoochy >> ... i think they missed the ball with not offering a full 88 with weighted keys though...
Yep, sure did. Perhaps they'll come out with that one later in the year ...
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 13:10:54
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Oh man, this IS a tough crowd....
Looks like a nice piece of kit.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 13:32:50
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Smoochy,
I doubt if you're much older than some of us around here. One of my first sessions (I was a teen) was cut on an Ampex 3-track machine. I can tell tons of horror stories about "bouncing" tracks to be able to keep adding material to a "master" tape. As I stated, I didn't mean anything derogatory by my post, but times have changed because costs have gone down and technology has opened the door for new people. As an "old-timer" I sometimes find that offensive. Then I think of what new opportunities are being made available to talented musicians who, 30 years ago, might have been denied the chance to "go for it".
BTW, I know who the Crash Test Dummies are (the lead singer was Brad something or another, I believe) and I still long to play "live" gigs every now and then. Even though I'm in my mid-fifties. I actually mentioned to my wife a few nights ago that I missed playing in clubs at times. I have a closet full of guitars (I'm a lefty so I'm prone to buy what I can get my hands on)...I've done studio session work for years (keyboards and guitar) but I still have the "lust" for playing live. I don't think any of us "old-timers" ever lose that desire.
i agree with you on this... guess i was feeling a little sentimental... I'll get my head out of my ass sooner or late... although later seems to be coming sooner...lol i think it's great that, as you said, guys who might not have had a chance before are benefiting, i guess my whole point was that there still need to be direction. and the fact that the live scene which used to provide some of that direction is disappearing... like i said... at least where i am. and for a 100 bucks... what was the name of the engineer who worked on it and the name of his studio..... kind of went to show that even though he was a world class engineer and produced some great stuff... it really didn't help anyone remember him... again... where i'm from. things might be different in the states.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 13:40:21
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papa2005
Smoochy,
I doubt if you're much older than some of us around here. One of my first sessions (I was a teen) was cut on an Ampex 3-track machine. I can tell tons of horror stories about "bouncing" tracks to be able to keep adding material to a "master" tape. As I stated, I didn't mean anything derogatory by my post, but times have changed because costs have gone down and technology has opened the door for new people. As an "old-timer" I sometimes find that offensive. Then I think of what new opportunities are being made available to talented musicians who, 30 years ago, might have been denied the chance to "go for it".
BTW, I know who the Crash Test Dummies are (the lead singer was Brad something or another, I believe) and I still long to play "live" gigs every now and then. Even though I'm in my mid-fifties. I actually mentioned to my wife a few nights ago that I missed playing in clubs at times. I have a closet full of guitars (I'm a lefty so I'm prone to buy what I can get my hands on)...I've done studio session work for years (keyboards and guitar) but I still have the "lust" for playing live. I don't think any of us "old-timers" ever lose that desire.
i agree with you on this... guess i was feeling a little sentimental... I'll get my head out of my ass sooner or late... although later seems to be coming sooner...lol i think it's great that, as you said, guys who might not have had a chance before are benefiting, i guess my whole point was that there still need to be direction. and the fact that the live scene which used to provide some of that direction is disappearing... like i said... at least where i am. and for a 100 bucks... what was the name of the engineer who worked on it and the name of his studio..... kind of went to show that even though he was a world class engineer and produced some great stuff... it really didn't help anyone remember him... again... where i'm from. things might be different in the states.
man how do i keep getting sucked into this stuff.... all i wanted to say was the controller, although I'm sure it works fine, would not be useful to me... it's not my fault... at 93 my father is still the best arguar in the world... one day I'll be as good as him. he still plays once in a wile but doesn't get this computer thing much...he did just recently get a vcr though...lol welcome to the 80's pop! funny that we're both stuck in the same decade.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/16 15:07:27
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I've found the new Cakewalk controllers on sale at GAK here in the UK: - A300 Pro is £209 = approx US$340
- A500 Pro is £249 = approx US$405
- A800 Pro is £309 = approx US$503
I would imagine you'd pick them up cheaper over there?
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