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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 20:24:55
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Ah MurMan, Thanks for the post.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 20:28:29
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John
Yes there is aftertouch on all of them. That was stated in the announcement very clearly.
Ok I found it. The "features" blurb doesn't mention aftertouch. But the specs page does. - 49 Velocity-sensitive keys
- Inspiring feel & response for serious players
- 45 assignable controls: knobs, sliders, buttons, transport & more
- 8 Dynamic Pads for finger drumming & MIDI triggering
- Sure-grip Pitch Bend/Modulation Stick
- Expand playability with Sustain & Expression Pedals (available separately)
- USB Bus Powered—no AC adaptor required
- Durable Roland-quality manufacturing & craftsmanship
- Ready to play with 3 included virtual instruments
- Works with any DAW on Mac or PC
- Supports Windows 7 & Mac OS X Snow Leopard
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 20:29:11
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hey Murman what about the pads , can we really trigger drums with it or is it a joke like on my novation ....
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 20:32:41
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Teksonik
John
Yes there is aftertouch on all of them. That was stated in the announcement very clearly.
Link?
go to the cakewalk home page and click on the a-pro midi controllers link.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 20:35:07
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Tom Riggs
Teksonik
John
Yes there is aftertouch on all of them. That was stated in the announcement very clearly.
Link?
go to the cakewalk home page and click on the a-pro midi controllers link.
See my edit above. Who doesn't consider aftertouch a feature? Oh well.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 20:48:36
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hey Murman what about the pads , can we really trigger drums with it or is it a joke like on my novation ....
The thing about the pads that struck me is that they are much closer together than the pads on the Axiom. Just like my other first reactions, the pads don't look as cool as the larger rubber pads. But I've got to admit that I've never been able to use the Axiom pads as much as I'd like. The distance between the pads may be the problem for a keyboard player. There's a SonicState Video that shows Brandon playing the pads. Looks more like keyboard movements than percussionist movements. I'm beginning to think that the close spacing may have been a good design choice. It's one of the things that I want to check out when I get to play one.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 21:03:59
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MurMan
I spent some time at NAMM with the new controllers. The Cake booth had a narrow section behind the main demo area with the controllers and the interfaces. Like an alley. Kinda' weird from a trade show perspective in that it didn't tie in very well to the rest of the booth. (Used to be a product manager, so I notice these things ...) The good news about this was that it didn't get much traffic, so I could spend quality time talking about the product.
My initial reaction was good-but-not-great. The design is understated, so it doesn't grab you visually. I couldn't get a good feel for the action because they were mounted on the wall with wobbly brackets. So much for the first impression.
But I was able to spend about 10 minutes talking to a friendly Cake employee. Nearly impossible at NAMM, but this part of the booth had no traffic and was kinda quiet. As we talked, I was mentally comparing it to my Axiom 49. Feature-wise, it's similar. It turns out that the Axiom was their competitive target product. The street prices, if I can trust my memory, are $350 for the A800, $300 for the A500, and two-something for the A300.
After fiddling with all of the controls for a few minutes, I started liking it. The build quality is definitely better than the Axiom which has an OK keybed, but the sliders, etc. seemed to have been built by Mattel. These controllers have that solid Roland feel. The keys have a very rounded edges. Feel like they would be great for an organ glis.
I will definitely spend some time at the local GC when they show up. The action is the big question mark for me. If it's good, I might be a buyer. Don't think I would miss the giant 7-segment display and horrible software of the Axiom.
Thanks so much...exactly what I was looking for...much appreciated...  Just noticed in your sig that you have a VS-100 and an Alphatrack. I'm just in the middle of the changeover between my current setup of UA-4fx, Alphatrack and M-Audio Oxygen v2 to the new setup which is the VS-100 and new more SONAR compatible controller (was the PCR-500 now more likely a-500Pro). Do you still use the alphatrack with the VS-100?? Interested in your comments about the VS-100. Regards Mick Also, Brandon mentions the RRP prices on the Sonicstate video...
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 21:10:19
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MurMan thanks for taking the time to post the quick review.. it helped me make my decision to hold off until these come out.. i have been pulling my hair out trying to decide if i should deal with purchasing and than trying to get an akai to work.. hopefully we can get some more opinions and less the world is ending because best buy is now turning into a music store...
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 22:11:49
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Will we be able to use all of those wonderful buttons on the new controllers? Isn't there a limit on how many buttons we can map in SONAR? I only see 8 slots in Sonar. Well 16 if you include the shift keys.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 22:18:35
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mick@itc
Just noticed in your sig that you have a VS-100 and an Alphatrack. I'm just in the middle of the changeover between my current setup of UA-4fx, Alphatrack and M-Audio Oxygen v2 to the new setup which is the VS-100 and new more SONAR compatible controller (was the PCR-500 now more likely a-500Pro). Do you still use the alphatrack with the VS-100?? Interested in your comments about the VS-100.
Being used to the AphaTrack made me really comfortable with the single-slider of the VS-100. I'm still using the AlphaTrack on my main DAW running 8PE. It turns out that the VS control surface isn't compatible with 8PE under Win 7 64-bit. (Cake says that only 8.5 is certified for Win 7 and that I need to upgrade. Probably will, but I've been really busy lately and didn't want to make any major changes.) As much as I like the AlphaTrack, I don't think that using it with the VS-100 will improve my workflow, so I'll probably sell it and the Presonus Project. Unlike the Presonus, the audio performance of the VS-100 has been flawless. Some guys have complained about high noise levels, but I've not noticed anything tracking line levels from synths and sound modules. I've got access to some good pre's that I would use to front-end the VS if I needed to get a high-quality mic track. The VS-100 was an unexpected purchase. Last fall, Seth Perlstein did a Sonar tour and passed the VS-100 around for everyone to feel. What a sly move. If you like well-designed hardware, it will hook you. The buy-it-now rebate sealed the deal and I brought one home. I've used it for about three months now both in and out of the studio and have become a real fan. Sonar VS is a gem. It's Sonar with a much better UI for basic tasks and small projects. I do a lot of simple keyboard tracks for live performance and it's become my go-to setup. Portability is also a great feature. The standalone feature lets me get grand piano tracks that are pretty good. Best to think of the VS-100 as a swiss-army knife. Lots of versitility in a small package, but it obviously doesn't compete with high-end dedicated hardware. Lately, I've been posting in the VS-100 forum because there are a lot of questions and not many knowlegable users. (Unlike this forum with lots of experts.) You should check it out. If you've got any questions, it's probably better to answer them there. Murray edit: forgot to mention 64-bit Win 7
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thomasabarnes
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 23:07:41
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I only see 8 slots in Sonar. Well 16 if you include the shift keys.
With ACT there's also the 4 BANKS (if I recall correctly). So that would be 8 X 4=32 plus the shift for for banks meaning another 8 X 4 totaling 64 assignments for a row of 8 buttons. If I recall correctly.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2010/01/17 23:09:14
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 23:10:50
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thomasabarnes
I only see 8 slots in Sonar. Well 16 if you include the shift keys.
With ACT there's also the 4 BANKS (if I recall correctly). So that would be 8 X 4=32 plus the shift for for banks meaning another 8 X 4 totaling 64 assignments for a row of 8 buttons. If I recall correctly.
yeah, but you can only use one bank at a time - correct or not? Well I can only get one to work at a time.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 23:40:12
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LOL You really didn't do your homework on ACT and these new controllers, eh? :) OK as far as I can see, each new controller has: Pads (A1-A8, Buttons (B1-4, L1-L9) That looks like 13 buttons. so... If I understand it correctly, using ACT, in theory anyway, a user should be able to have 8 buttons assigned to 64 assignments, and by assigning one or two of those 8 button to "next button bank" and/or "previous button bank" in one of the shift button modes, for example, a user can have access to all those buttons assignments. It seems like the only obstacle would be remembering what each button is assigned to in each bank and using the shift function for each bank. I hope I'm making sense.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 23:44:11
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Man, if they would make an 88 key version, that could be my entire sonar controller system. I so wish they made the 88 key version, knowing how this controller will work so well with sonar
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/17 23:49:57
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thomasabarnes
LOL
You really didn't do your homework on ACT and these new controllers, eh? :)
OK as far as I can see, each new controller has:
Pads (A1-A8, Buttons (B1-4, L1-L9)
That looks like 13 buttons. so...
If I understand it correctly, using ACT, in theory anyway, a user should be able to have 8 buttons assigned to 64 assignments, and by assigning one or two of those 8 button to "next button bank" and/or "previous button bank" in one of the shift button modes, for example, a user can have access to all those buttons assignments.
It seems like the only obstacle would be remembering what each button is assigned to in each bank and using the shift function for each bank. I hope I'm making sense.
Well that is crappy. There are 9 transport buttons on this new controller - including the hold, and I can't use all nine at once without having to switch back and forth between banks? I wonder how hard it would be to update Sonar to be able to use 64 buttons with just one bank?
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thomasabarnes
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 00:03:05
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I wonder how hard it would be to update Sonar to be able to use 64 buttons with just one bank?
Man, I think they would have to make a new controller with more buttons on it (64 button or more) if you want 64 button assignments without using a shift function or Banks.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 00:05:53
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thomasabarnes
I wonder how hard it would be to update Sonar to be able to use 64 buttons with just one bank?
Man, I think they would have to make a new controller with more buttons on it (64 button or more) if you want to use 64 buttons without using a shift function or Banks.
There are over 16 buttons on the new controller as it stands right now. I use the pads as buttons on my Axiom, but I can't assign all of them due to the limitations in Sonar.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 00:18:21
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I think only 13 buttons on the new controller are assignable, but it's not that bad as I also notice a shift button that I think is not one of the assignable buttons, so that may mean we use that shift button instead of having to make assignments in the ACT Shift button section.
This is some considerable speculation we are doing here. I wish we had a more detailed description of these new controllers.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 01:11:07
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Something no one has talked about vis-a-vis best buy is advertising. Some kid sees Cakewalk's name/products plastered there when he is buying CDs/DVDs computer stuff there. A few years later he goes to the music store with his band and low, recognizes the name Cakewalk. There are, of course, some snobs that will not buy cake because of that, but I bet there are more overall sales because of it. I know that Fry's has/had cakewalk Pryo and music creator on sale.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 02:36:59
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Something no one has talked about vis-a-vis best buy is.... As the thread is pretty well hijacked I will jump in with my 2 cents worth. The basic objection seems to be to the consumerisation of the product. However it is the consumerisation that keeps the price down. What would the price of Sonar be if it was only used by professionals? You could apply the same argument to the inclusion of lots of non-pro bells and whistles. One can say I am having to pay for these toys I will will never use, but the existance of those toys mean they sell many more copies and that probably keeps the overall price down. .. Maybe 
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 05:24:03
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Our good friends at Sonicstate came by the booth at NAMM and I was able to give them a little video demonstration with the A-500 Pro. Check it out HERE Rock oN also captured a demonstration of the A-300 Pro at one of the Experience Stations. Check it out HERE
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 11:13:14
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Our good friends at Sonicstate came by the booth at NAMM and I was able to give them a little video demonstration with the A-500 Pro. Check it out HERE
Rock oN also captured a demonstration of the A-300 Pro at one of the Experience Stations. Check it out HERE
Brandon... one of the things i always mean to mention when talking about controllers... back in the day i used the old roland s-50 sampling keyboard. along with just about every other roland board out at the time. anyways... the absolute, hands down, best feature on that over any other board out there, was the ability to be able to hook up a screen to it. why can't there be a screen out on the back of these middi controllers?.... rather then trying to squint at these little tiny lcd's and having to page through stuff. that would be kik ass. especially for guys like me who don't have the controller right in front of the pc screen. i'd buy one in a heart beat.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 11:30:23
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Our good friends at Sonicstate came by the booth at NAMM and I was able to give them a little video demonstration with the A-500 Pro. Check it out HERE
Rock oN also captured a demonstration of the A-300 Pro at one of the Experience Stations. Check it out HERE
Brandon... one of the things i always mean to mention when talking about controllers... back in the day i used the old roland s-50 sampling keyboard. along with just about every other roland board out at the time. anyways... the absolute, hands down, best feature on that over any other board out there, was the ability to be able to hook up a screen to it. why can't there be a screen out on the back of these middi controllers?.... rather then trying to squint at these little tiny lcd's and having to page through stuff. that would be kik ass. especially for guys like me who don't have the controller right in front of the pc screen. i'd buy one in a heart beat.
Nothing is for free. Let's keep the price down. Please don't add a video card to these boards. We also want to keep the weight down. We also want to make sure that the entire workings of the board can be powered by the USB cable. Adding a video card would make a power cord manditory. It would probably be better for you to get a 100 foot monitor cable than to have all of us pay for some kind of special setup that we don't need.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 13:32:13
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Our good friends at Sonicstate came by the booth at NAMM and I was able to give them a little video demonstration with the A-500 Pro. Check it out HERE
Rock oN also captured a demonstration of the A-300 Pro at one of the Experience Stations. Check it out HERE
Brandon... one of the things i always mean to mention when talking about controllers... back in the day i used the old roland s-50 sampling keyboard. along with just about every other roland board out at the time. anyways... the absolute, hands down, best feature on that over any other board out there, was the ability to be able to hook up a screen to it. why can't there be a screen out on the back of these middi controllers?.... rather then trying to squint at these little tiny lcd's and having to page through stuff. that would be kik ass. especially for guys like me who don't have the controller right in front of the pc screen. i'd buy one in a heart beat.
Nothing is for free. Let's keep the price down. Please don't add a video card to these boards. We also want to keep the weight down.
We also want to make sure that the entire workings of the board can be powered by the USB cable. Adding a video card would make a power cord manditory.
It would probably be better for you to get a 100 foot monitor cable than to have all of us pay for some kind of special setup that we don't need.
then make a different version of it... it would also kick ass if you were using it for live. without a pc... for midi modules.... can't see it making it any heavier or effecting the usb signal... of coarse none of my stuff is usb powered. as far as price it would only add fifty to a hundred to it. and it would sure be great to have full access at a glance rather then a page at a time... just plug in an old lcd monitor into it and away you go... my controller is not near the pc so it would be a great feature. i'm not talking about having the daw displayed on it... just the middi controller's features...along with midi reference... the name of the instrument it's controlling and so on. if you were using lots of external midi devices like a rack of keyboards/modules it would be very usefull when setting up routing. as far as price... good lord you get a full out 88 weighted key controller with all the bells and whistles right now for 500 bucks or under... how much cheaper then that can you get? that's less then what i paid for my mini moog back in the 70's. and besides i think they dropped the ball on this controller by not making it useful to those who need the weighted keys with a full 88. these kind of controllers feel like radio shack keyboards to me. if cakewalk/edirol made a proper controller i'd own it... is all i'm saying. and actually i have owned the ediral controller... it felt like a toy and it wasn't that much cheaper then the full 88 weighted one i got rid of it for. of coarse to be fair... i don't need any of those transport or edit controls on them either cause i'm running the vstudio. and weight...? if your worried about that and the usb power thing then obviously your mobile... so you wouldn't have much use for such a controller but the stationary tracking studios would benefit greatly from it as well as the live performer... not to mention... how cool would that be...
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 16:46:32
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Our good friends at Sonicstate came by the booth at NAMM and I was able to give them a little video demonstration with the A-500 Pro. Check it out HERE
Rock oN also captured a demonstration of the A-300 Pro at one of the Experience Stations. Check it out HERE
Brandon, didn't I see you demo this at a Best Buy the other day...  Thanks for the videos, looks like a great product ... Regards Mick
Mick from Oz. HP DV7-3008tx , Sonar 8.5 PE, Komplete 6, GPO, JABB, Ozone 4, Melodyne Studio & DNA
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SONARtist
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 16:48:46
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Lanceindastudio
Man, if they would make an 88 key version, that could be my entire sonar controller system. I so wish they made the 88 key version, knowing how this controller will work so well with sonar
Lance, I'm sure they're trying to figure out what to do with all that real estate above the keyboard on an 88-key version. It'll look silly with those few knobs and sliders. My take is that it'll come with dual 25:9 touchscreen monitors in the middle, so that you can either load SONAR directly, or duplicate your DAW systems' screen(s). Yeah ... that would be the A900 SuperPro and I would buy it immediately ! I'd even consider it without the monitors !!!  Later ... much later.
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 18:00:49
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There's a controller video on Cake's main site that I haven't seen posted yet. http://www.cakewalk.com/video/a-pro.asp When it showed the pads, it said "8 Dynamic pads with Hold for finger drumming." There's a Hold button just to the right of the transport controls, but it's too far away from the pads for use in real-time. Can someone explain what this means?
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 18:21:22
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gtgarner
Does anyone have any idea on how much the new Cakewalk controllers are going to be? Namely the A-800Pro. I hope it is around the price of the M-Audio Axiom 61.
To answer the OP, see the video Brandon has posted above... Mick
Mick from Oz. HP DV7-3008tx , Sonar 8.5 PE, Komplete 6, GPO, JABB, Ozone 4, Melodyne Studio & DNA
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/18 20:56:28
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From a guy that is looking for its first KB, does this lose to much from Novation´s Automap, or M-Audio HyperControl?
It looks like that if you also use others DAWs this is not a controller for you...
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Re:New Controllers
2010/01/20 20:40:54
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OK, been watching the videos and reading as much as I can but I am not sure what the ACT button actually does. I'm doing a comparison between the PCR-500 and the A-500Pro. ACT is switched on by the button? But isn't ACT always on on the controller end. We turn it on in the Plug-in??? I'm confused?  Mick
Mick from Oz. HP DV7-3008tx , Sonar 8.5 PE, Komplete 6, GPO, JABB, Ozone 4, Melodyne Studio & DNA
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