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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/08 21:47:53 (permalink)
The Azi moth was the biggest bug with tape machines..

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/08 21:51:10 (permalink)
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The Azi moth was the biggest bug with tape machines..

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/08 21:56:28 (permalink)
 
I really love what I experienced the last couple of days running new Sonar - smooth as anything.
Kudos to Bakers...
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/08 22:03:41 (permalink)
"Looping with input echoed synth active in the project leads to the tracks getting out of sync over time"
 
Fixed! Thank you!!

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/08 22:04:56 (permalink)
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and to follow up I am to put a FR on what I found in Digital Performer(as I remember):
 
They have this "Solo Exempt" checkbox for a track/bus.
This exclude the track from any other solo attempts.
 
This is a very good and simple solution to effect return busses that you always want sounding.
 
 

Before creating a feature request, check out "Solo Override" enabled by holding the SHIFT key when clicking a Solo button.
post edited by scook - 2015/02/08 22:17:05
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/08 22:44:37 (permalink)
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and to follow up I am to put a FR on what I found in Digital Performer(as I remember):
 
They have this "Solo Exempt" checkbox for a track/bus.
This exclude the track from any other solo attempts.
 
This is a very good and simple solution to effect return busses that you always want sounding.
 
 

Before creating a feature request, check out "Solo Override" enabled by holding the SHIFT key when clicking a Solo button.


If it follows project, it's just as good, thanks.
If follow screenset only - maybe options to follow project would be nice.
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/08 23:01:07 (permalink)
If you fixed the magnetic strength issue - I will be very happy!  (I just downloaded it today, so am about to check it out!.
This is a great list!!!
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/08 23:33:08 (permalink)
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Craig, The real problem I see is that The Customers didn't know what they were getting other than the New Features listed. They had No Way of knowing which bugs, if any, were addressed. To some of us bug fixes are more important than New Features or receiving 3rd party software that we received with X3 or purchased the Full version on our own.

 
Then wait until the bug fix list is published. I think it took two weeks this time, it was 10 days with X3...close enough. There's still almost three weeks before the sale price on upgrades ends. If the bug fix list wasn't released until after the sale ended, that would be a different issue.
 
Those of us that had issues and, worked with support and, our issues were confirmed as issues and, had submitted bug reports had to set and wait as there is No Way to get any info about whether your issue is being worked on or not...Then 10 months later the New version is released but no 'issues list' is available and no one knows when it will be available.

 
Well, we knew based on past history, and on statements from Cakewalk, that the bug fix list would be available within a short time after the release. I think two weeks is reasonable. Granted, we didn't know the exact day. I didn't know the exact day today before I started editing it, I mentioned it would be "within a few days" in a different thread. Then when I finished the edits, Noel said it looked great and to hit the Publish button. So I did. So it's published 
 
So what do you do? You just hope that Cakewalk fixed your issue and spend the $149 anyway?

 
You wait for the bug fix list. If the bug hasn't been fixed and it prevents you from making music, then use a different DAW that doesn't have that bug, bearing in mind it will have different bugs so you have to evaluate whether they will be a problem for you.
 
You trust that surely they will fix something that seems so simple.

 
I don't know code, but there's one thing I've learned about software after working with multiple companies over multiple years: no one can predict whether a fix is simple or complex unless they know the code. I've reported minor things that I thought were simple but Noel said would take weeks to fix, and other things I thought would be really complicated and he had a build to me later that day. A lot has to do with whether a feature "touches" another feature because then QCing it becomes much harder.
 
I've been asking the guys at Ableton why when you press record Live doesn't record solo button presses, and every time it's the same answer: The solo button was intended for diagnostic purposes in the studio, not live performance, and its functionality is buried so deep in the core of the program it's probably never going to change - and I'm not the only person by far who's asked for it. I wrote the manual for Live Version 2 and set up the SONAR/Live bundling deal for TASCAM, so they're not blowing me or the others off...I really think it must be that difficult.
 
I did, I purchased, and my issue is still not fixed. Seth commented that my issue is still on the radar and will make some notes but I have no idea when I will hear about it. That particular thread was locked by the Host so I had no idea how I will hear anything back. I sent seth a PM inquiring as to what I could do to find out if my issue can or will be fixed but I received no reply at all.

 
The reason why they're not telling you is they don't know. Really. They have a queue of bugs and they try to prioritize based on how much feedback they've gotten to fix it, the resources required to fix, and what happens once they pry the code apart and start poking around. Some bugs are essential to fix no matter what - if Melodyne isn't working, that's a huge deal. Some are annoying but don't cause crashes or impede the ability to make music. If a bug has a workaround, then it's probably considered less important. If you're the only person who's complained, it won't get priority compared to something that lots of people have complained about.
 
I have a lot of respect for your methods and opinions and am curious what You would do if you were in my shoes. As I see it I can either accept that my issue will not be fixed or I can continue forward and bug the living daylights out of Cakewalk until they get tired of hearing from me...

 
Another possibility it that it will be fixed in a month or two...or three. There are shades of gray between it "will not be fixed" and "I need to bug Cakewalk." 
 
As to what I'd do, I would accept the fact that all software has bugs, weigh the pros and cons of various programs, and pick the one with the most weight in the "pros" section and the least weight in the "cons" section. By weight, I mean that if something is really really fabulous, it counts for more than several petty annoyances. So that's why I use SONAR even though the VX-64 sometimes pops and dies, requiring typing E to off all effects and turning them back on again...that's my "pet bug" that no one cares about if they don't use the VX-64, and some people just plain don't experience because it seems to be somewhat system-dependent.
 
Remember too that unlike the past, there will continue to be bug fixes over the course of the year. Everyone has their "pet bugs" and we'd like to see the bugs that affect us addressed. But the odds of that diminish if a bug doesn't affect other people as much.
 

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/08 23:47:27 (permalink)
Actually, there's a workaround. Before you save the project, open Pick Tracks and turn off the tracks you don't want to see. Save. When you re-open, those tracks won't be visible, nor will they appear in the Track Pane. But you can always re-enable them in Pick Tracks when you want them.

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 00:46:53 (permalink)
My work around for rtucker is to set the tracks he wants in screen sets by using what Craig suggested "Pick Tracks". Have soma many tracks on one screen set, on another screen set select the other midi tracks you want, and so on and so on. This works because I tried it. I was trying to find another way to accomplish what he needs to do.

And by the way rtucker, I can reproduce this behavior in Platinum.

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 01:00:03 (permalink)
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Go to the Cakewalk Blog to read Noel's article about the "under the hood" improvements to SONAR. There are a lot of ones I hadn't picked up on yet, and frankly, there were some cool aspects of Mix Recall that I completely overlooked.
 
There's also a list of 120 or so of the more significant bug fixes. Some of these are minor, like graphics anomaly fixes, while some are pretty major.
 
Well worth reading if you want to know what makes SONAR 2015 a considerable improvement over X3e and why this rollout has been so well-received by people who actually have the program. I'm still waiting for my first freeze/crash/hiccup. I hope I have a very long wait 
 
This list does not include some additional bug fixes that occurred just before the 2015 version's official release (e.g., the Melodyne fix), and I don't think it includes the ones that will be rolled into the monthly update (for example, Noel fixed the Kontakt-with-non-English-OS bug).


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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 01:58:10 (permalink)
'm just wondering if a project was saved with tracks hidden then opened maybe months later with data still hidden whether that might lead to confusion of the "where's my MIDI gone?" variety.
 
I guess I can see pros and cons for both ways of doing it....

 
I guess you just need a *big* button up on the top for "show everything".
 
I've accidentally hidden tracks before (by accidentally hitting a shortcut key) - and spent too much time looking up how to get it back ;-)

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 05:09:28 (permalink)
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"Looping with input echoed synth active in the project leads to the tracks getting out of sync over time"



A good candidate for a retroactive hotfix if you ask me.
 

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 08:47:28 (permalink)
@Anderton and Grem,
 
I sincerely appreciate your feedback, direction, and help.
 
Kind regards,
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 08:59:54 (permalink)
rtucker55
@Anderton and Grem,
 
I sincerely appreciate your feedback, direction, and help.
 
Kind regards,
Rick




Cool, always glad to assist. I like Grem's solution a lot. I realize workarounds aren't as good as "the real thing," but one of the reasons I like SONAR is because the "toolkit" is big enough you can usually accomplish what you need. For example, even though there's no varispeed per se, you can use the Loop Construction window to do tape varispeed effects.

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 09:59:43 (permalink)
Impressive list of improvements! It doesn't take long when using Platinum to feel and experience the performance improvements. Far and above the new features, the quality performance  and reliability horsepower is worth having platinum installed on your daw.

 
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 10:01:44 (permalink)
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I wrote 80% of that article yesterday and Craig spent half his day today "mastering" it. He has great editorial skills!
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That's an *insane* list of fixes and enhancements under the hood. I think anyone should now be able to appreciate what an upgrade the new version of Sonar is.

As a software developer myself for the past thirty years I know this is a tremendous effort. And as a consumer I can feel the difference I day-to-day usage. Well done Noel and co.
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 10:44:19 (permalink)
That write-up in the link shows me that Cakewalk is deadly serious about getting this thing stable and functional. Bloody impressive from what i red< that's how it's pronounced, that's how it should be spelt - past participle of read - red). Anyway, compared to previous years those fixes definitely make me feel very confident about buying into Sonar-land. If that type of attention to under-the-hood improvements and fixes is gonna continue... I'M IN!
 
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 10:45:52 (permalink)
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I've accidentally hidden tracks before (by accidentally hitting a shortcut key) - and spent too much time looking up how to get it back ;-)



Exactly. Especially when you don't even know you hit a key, don't know which key it was, or what to search for to find it.
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 11:20:35 (permalink)
I will chime in here.
I just want to say a big big THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK  YOU:)....
the vast improvements have definitely helped stabilize Sonar.
I had X1 which crashed and other quirks that affected me to compose music, mixing, etc, but with the new Platinum, It has become very stable now to where I was able to reduce my latency for my firewire audio interface and throw a ton of Soft Sythns except the kitchen sink at Sonar now and it has not crashed once.
I inserted over 20 or so Omnispheres soft synths and FX, etc. and not once did it grind to a halt.
The programmers at Cakewalk are to be commended for writing an awesome piece of software that is also easy to use.
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 11:24:48 (permalink)
+1 to the above.  My consumption of cotton buds and isopropyl alcohol has crashed since switching to Sonar;  and does anyone recall how much a reel of 2" 456 tape used to cost;  and I used to fall asleep 'rocking and rolling' - hitting 'stop' and 'record' and waiting for the gears to shift the tape back and crank it into motion again while someone repeatedly hacked through an under-rehearsed solo.  We're in dreamland, folks.
 
Personally I wish there was an option for 'pause' not to advance the 'now' time (there isn't something I've missed, is there?), but that's just me.  My trusty VS-100 'marker insert' button gets lots of action, I can live with it.  I don't see the pile of feature/bug requests, but it's obviously not a priority for the community.  As Craig says, if you can't live with Sonar's quirks migrate to another DAW. 
 
Over the years I have accepted the good faith of the Sonar development team who are much closer to the DAW development scene than I am - I do music, not software.  They haven't let me down so far, and my limited experience of Platinum so far is equally encouraging.  My customer loyalty has been earned - and rewarded.
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 11:55:05 (permalink)
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Personally I wish there was an option for 'pause' not to advance the 'now' time (there isn't something I've missed, is there?), but that's just me.  My trusty VS-100 'marker insert' button gets lots of action, I can live with it.  I don't see the pile of feature/bug requests, but it's obviously not a priority for the community.  As Craig says, if you can't live with Sonar's quirks migrate to another DAW. 
 
 



I'm not sure what you are asking. Ctrl + Spacebar is pause.

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 12:02:46 (permalink)
EezyP
Personally I wish there was an option for 'pause' not to advance the 'now' time (there isn't something I've missed, is there?), but that's just me.



I agree.  See my recent post about it at http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3169921
 
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 14:09:20 (permalink)
By the way, while i'm here, instead of starting a new thread about this (which i was inclined to do), i hope Cakewalk will find a greater array of emoticons to post threads with. I've been in other forums (not music related) where every nuance of any expression was covered by animated emoticons, and it really helps with any fine angle of context and expression. Please Cakewalk, if at all possible could you maybe look into this if it's not too much trouble? It does make for a more interesting and fun posting experience and can liven things up a bit...
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 15:07:50 (permalink)
At the very least, I want a :facepalm: emoticon. 

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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 17:13:49 (permalink)
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At the very least, I want a :facepalm: emoticon. 

 


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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 17:21:42 (permalink)
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By the way, while i'm here, instead of starting a new thread about this (which i was inclined to do), i hope Cakewalk will find a greater array of emoticons to post threads with. I've been in other forums (not music related) where every nuance of any expression was covered by animated emoticons, and it really helps with any fine angle of context and expression. Please Cakewalk, if at all possible could you maybe look into this if it's not too much trouble? It does make for a more interesting and fun posting experience and can liven things up a bit...




Lern to txt emote, yo.
 
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Seriously, of all the things to worry about. Yeesh.
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 17:27:13 (permalink)
But the real reason I popped into this thread was because I did not see a fix on the list for a bug that drives me absolutely apedonkeys...
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Platinum-Users-Did-they-fix-the-screen-jumping-when-clicking-take-lanes-between-tracks-m3170752.aspx
 
Essentially when working between two tracks with lanes open where the parent track end sup offscreen doing ANYTHING in the lanes section of the track not in focus will make the screen jump up to the parent track.
 
It was confirmed in an old thread by a Baker but I did not submit an official report. More details in the link above but maybe I'll try to dig up the original thread and maybe even my post in Alex's bug thread... maybe... if needed.
 
Thankee.
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Re: Noel's Blog Post on Enhancements and Bug Fixes Is Now Online! 2015/02/09 19:03:03 (permalink)
A bit OT but I will bring this back.... I have been investigating ProTools as an alternative to SONAR.  I have spent about 10 hours on my TRAINING for PT and am totally overwhelmed by all the QWERTY keyboard shortcuts to be productive in that environment.  I realized that all the years spent using/learning SONAR have been worth it for I can zoom around SONAR as fast as those tutors are in PT.  It would probably take me years to even come close to my workflow in SONAR.
 
I think I will continue to dabble with PT but keep SONAR as my main squeeze DAW.  This dog is to old to learn new tricks but can still hunt.
 
Now to bring this back OT... the enhancements made to SONAR 15 (if that is what we call it) are overwhelming (in a good way) to me.  The mix recall, the new floating transport to name a few are just what I need, to have an even smoother workflow in SONAR.
 
Thanks guys and only time will tell if this subscription model is also a good thing.
 
Jim

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