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OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
This sucks. I know technology is supposed to be value-neutral, and that it all depends on what people do with it. But someone invented this process. You can't shake the devil's hand then say you're only joking.
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 14:45:01
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Eh? Edit did not spot link. As I have always said You do not need to have talent in this business, you only need to be (word omited to not cause offence) prepared to sell yourself
post edited by Wookiee - 2007/07/02 15:07:50
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 14:46:14
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It's the Spice Girls. It's not exactly fine art to begin with, so I don't think it represents the fall of western culture or anything if they are doing this.
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 14:48:51
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ok im totaly lost and I think probly others are too?
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 14:49:41
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AWESOME!!! They are back!!! (not kidding, I really love them a whole bunch). I hope their new songs are as good as their old stuff. Some superbands that make a comeback tend to put out albums that lack a lot because they focus more on the tour, where they know they will make most of their money. I don't care if they can't sing great. They are so cool, and their songs are really catchy. They are SO much better than all those boy bands that came before and after them. I gotta call my sister. YES!!!
SPICE GRRRLS 4EVA!!!!!!!!
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 14:49:55
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The technology is old hat now, they are just using a better way of doing it, its one step removed from miming, which has also been used by "live" performing bands before. Pitch shifting software has been used on live vocals for some time now iirc.
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 14:52:03
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In the days beofre automated pitch correction, singers had to actually work on singing in order to be presentable. Unfortunately, what they sang often sucked, but it was at least done well. Nowadays, people don't even need to sing well to suck, so they can get right to the sucking without a lot of effort. I think this, in effect, solves your value neutral technology dilemna. someone invented this process I wish I invernted this process...then I'd be RICH!!!
post edited by fetishfrog - 2007/07/02 14:59:21
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John T
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 14:55:25
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The way I see it, live vocals are not really the point of a Spice Girls show. People aren't going to see great musicians at the top of their game, they're going to have a big night out, dance to the hits, and see some costume changes and fireworks and stuff.
For my money, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Wouldn't go myself, but it's not aimed at me.
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 14:56:12
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NOOOOOO! PLEASE SPICE GIRLS, SAY IT AINT SO.
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 15:02:58
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ORIGINAL: jinga8
AWESOME!!! They are back!!! (not kidding, I really love them a whole bunch). I hope their new songs are as good as their old stuff. They are so cool, and their songs are really catchy. They are SO much better than all those boy bands that came before and after them.
SPICE GRRRLS 4EVA!!!!!!!!
This explains sooooooo much about you! 
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 15:06:53
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SPICE GRRRLS 4EVA!!!!!!!!
What?????????
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 15:16:55
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ORIGINAL: John T
The way I see it, live vocals are not really the point of a Spice Girls show. People aren't going to see great musicians at the top of their game, they're going to have a big night out, dance to the hits, and see some costume changes and fireworks and stuff.
For my money, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Wouldn't go myself, but it's not aimed at me.
That was my thought too... "Who goes to hear them sing?" Hell, I'd go with a set of good earplugs as long as I was close enough to enjoy it. In all honesty, though, they are not musicians... they are entertainers. If that's how they entertain, so be it. If people would buy tickets to watch me jump rope on stage, I'd do it... I could use the extra cash.
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chauncey_gardner
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 15:19:02
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if you wanna be my lover...
i liked baby spice. not scary spice. posh was cool too. and sporty. what was the fifth? high maintenance spice?
all seriousness aside my daughter got into the spice girls when she was like 5 and now she is a music nut. give me spice over j lo or brit.
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John T
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 15:28:23
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Yeah, indeed. There's a good point to be made about useful role models and the Spice Girls. I thought that fact that they were all fairly normal looking and weren't all really skinny or anything was pretty good.
Pop groups, innit? It's nothing new. We've had The Monkees and the Osmonds before, and now we've got this. I've got no issues with it.
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chauncey_gardner
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 15:35:30
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Hey, some pop groups are really cool. Like the Monkees did a cover of a Paul Revere and the Raiders Steppin Stone. We turned that into a heavy metal song that sounds more like Space Truckin than it does Monkees. But it is cool.
There have been times where people complained about the lack of depth to 80s music, but 80s music is cool nowdays.
If we want to complain about technology, lets look no further than the guys sitting at DAWs recording in isolation.
The artists I grew up with that did it all themselves were Todd Rundgren (where most of something/anything was solo) and Tomita. However, Rundgren did it wit an 8 track. Hard to imagine that now days. Tomita did use sequencers, but by today's standards, that was a very complex task.
Plus, auto tune things are cool when you intentionally over use them and it is an effect.
Vocoders were pretty lame about 3 months after Kraftwerk started using them. They are fun again now.
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 15:37:55
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ORIGINAL: chauncey_gardner
if you wanna be my lover...
i liked baby spice. not scary spice. posh was cool too. and sporty. what was the fifth? high maintenance spice?
all seriousness aside my daughter got into the spice girls when she was like 5 and now she is a music nut. give me spice over j lo or brit.
You do know what you are actually saying when you say "all seriousness aside", right? 
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 15:44:02
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Hey Chauncey, I've been meaning to thank you for using your new avatar. Not only one of my favorite albums (and producers. . .Bill Bottrell) but one of my five "reference" disks I use when checking out new speakers. "Ooohhh, you speak french!"
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 15:57:40
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If you didn't know, the Daily Mail is a tabloid...
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 16:02:02
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ORIGINAL: John T
The way I see it, live vocals are not really the point of a Spice Girls show. People aren't going to see great musicians at the top of their game, they're going to have a big night out, dance to the hits, and see some costume changes and fireworks and stuff.
For my money, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Wouldn't go myself, but it's not aimed at me.
My thoughts exactly. Hell, I just assumed that the Spice Girls lip-synched all their live shows anyway - now I know better.
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 16:16:06
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 16:46:38
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They are SO much better than all those boy bands that came before and after them. I hate to break this to you.... but they're not a boy band, maybe ask Robbie Williams, I think he checked personally on all of them.
I'm a perfectionist, and perfect is a skinned knee.
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 16:55:19
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I think it's ashame that Old Spice isn't with them anymore. How can they call it a true reunion without Old Spice?
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cryophonik
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 17:07:38
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ORIGINAL: Roflcopter
They are SO much better than all those boy bands that came before and after them.
I hate to break this to you.... but they're not a boy band...
They're not?! What's this then?
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 17:53:26
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This sucks. I know technology is supposed to be value-neutral, and that it all depends on what people do with it. But someone invented this process. You can't shake the devil's hand then say you're only joking. You've never hated so much? Wow. Just what is the big deal with some silly girls enhancing their vocals live?
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barlowjam
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 18:01:01
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 18:19:19
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ORIGINAL: strungdown
If you didn't know, the Daily Mail is a tabloid...
Yeah, but I can so see this being so true though!
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 18:39:56
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Okay, this must be the epiphany of junk : now I'd love to hope that every one will finally dig the very simple concept that Yes we CAN do anything and that we'd finally be able to collectively move up to the next level: developing some kind of good taste and common sense. Just because we can DO it doesn't mean it has to be done. Seriously, after seeing the trailer for "John Rambo" and reading this, I have no hope. Not that I had any before, mind you. Actually I don't think we're getting worst either - we just have reached the golden age of mediocrity and gave ourselves all the means to gloriously bask into our shallowness. And the proof has been established that you just can't choke on crap. So what's next? A reunion tour for a Milli Vanilli tribute band, sponsored by McDonald?
post edited by Rain - 2007/07/02 18:48:07
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jinga8
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 18:43:44
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they're not a boy band Then why did one of them marry that English football chick?
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John T
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RE: OT - I've never hated as much as I do right now
2007/07/02 18:46:14
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ORIGINAL: Rain
Okay, this must be the epiphany of junk : now I'd love to hope that every one will finally dig the very simple concept that Yes we CAN do anything and that we'd finally be able to collectively move up to the next level: developing some kind of good taste and common sense. Just because we can DO it doesn't mean it has to be done.
Seriously, after seeing the trailer for "John Rambo" and reading this, I have no hope. Not that I had any before, mind you. Actually I don't think we're getting worst either - we just have reached the golden age of mediocrity and gave ourselves all the means to gloriously bask into our shallowness. And the proof has been established that you just can't choke on crap.
So what's next? A reunion tour for a Milli Vanilli tribute band, sponsored by McDonald?
Well... there you go. You mention Milli Vanilli, proof positive that this is nothing new. Chuck Berry used to pitch up his vocals in the 50s, fact fans.
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