Hi Brian-

However, you have been more than patient and responsive to those who have needed much; and this has not gone unnoticed by both sides of this discussion.
I argue that if you want to vent - you have surely earned it. This is a good thing!
I cheer the fact that you keep trying!

That's very nice of you to say! Thanks!

-Susan

I came to this forum about two months ago after using Cake for 10 years. I did not really know about the search function but found out about it quickly after my first post, which had something to do with licensing. I didn't know it was a touchy subject. Created a lengthy thread too.
When the noob comes here they're green in everything and it's refreshing to see most people cut them some slack. In the past two months it's been easy to see the repetitiveness, sometimes daily, sometimes in concurrent posts.
When you buy a toy, you want to bring it home and play with it right away. Heck, I usually open my latest "toy" in the car on the way home so I can look at it, read the manual (at the speed limit right lane) so when I get home I can jump in. So they're eager. Granted some are lazy.
Like a lot of you, i learned the "old fashioned way". Reading, trying, tutorials, patience and some not so patient times. What might be helpful is a top ten FAQ as a sticky, including the "what you hear". Titled Noobs Read This First. Include some encouraging words to Follow the tutorials, maybe teach them how to use a Table of contents and index. Ok thats getting a little carried away.
Also just because you have a few posts doesn't neccearily determine your a noob. I decided to come on cause i like helping people as I suspect most of you do to. And sometimes the banter is fun and interesting. And the folks are pretty nice. Check out the P5 forum, they're a hoot over there. It's good for a change of pace although I feel more at home here.
So at this point i also would like to thank you all for yout contributions and camaraderie.
Blessings,
Rob

ORIGINAL: Melodymaker48
...What might be helpful is a top ten FAQ as a sticky,...

There is one. Look at the stickies at the top of the forum for "Sonar Forum FAQ."

Hi Susan :)

As you know, I've often tried to contribute here and help others, but like you, over time, it's become a bit tiring to see such little effort from "some" (not all) newbies.

IT's as if they want all the rest of us to be the manual for them. Some of the VERY basic things get asked. As if there's been NO investment/energy in "learning" on their part.

I often find myself just passing up those messages now, whereas in the beginning of my involvement here, I didn't. And sure, many have been helpful to me (and everyone else), but I do think it takes SOME effort on the part of a user to learn SOMETHING on their own.

And, thank you for all the MANY times you've helped SO many others, btw (including me)

ORIGINAL: yep

ORIGINAL: Melodymaker48
...What might be helpful is a top ten FAQ as a sticky,...

There is one. Look at the stickies at the top of the forum for "Sonar Forum FAQ."

I've wondered that if Rousseau quit posting here because after he took the time to compile a FAQ, so many ignored it.

i tried to read the manual and follow the tutorials and i broke sonar

it needs more pictures

shannon

Hi Phrauge-

I'm guessing that this may be one of the reasons Honest Al is taking a breather from the forum.

Could well be. I miss him!

-Susan

ORIGINAL: Susan G

Hi Phrauge-

I'm guessing that this may be one of the reasons Honest Al is taking a breather from the forum.

Could well be. I miss him!

To paraphrase what I've posted on "other" forums:

Susan, you have the patience of Job. Richard has a trusting heart of gold. Frank is a saint.

Now who are you and what have you done with Susan!?

Aarf, aarf, ruff, ruff, ruff!

ORIGINAL: Stone House Studios

Sorry Susan -
A little late night ranting here!
However, you have been more than patient and responsive to those who have needed much; and this has not gone unnoticed by both sides of this discussion.
I argue that if you want to vent - you have surely earned it. This is a good thing!
I cheer the fact that you keep trying!

Brian

No, it has not gone unnoticed. many of us are guilty of jumping in, a little too soon to help when there are few replies. Susan, I wouldn't want to see you go by the way of Honest_Al. Relax, track a little.

HiGeoff-

Absolutely! Half the things you want to look up in the indfex aren't there. It's as if someone has whizzed thru the document as a an afterthought

The Index was generated automatically. There are much better ways to do it.

-Susan

ORIGINAL: Susan G

HiGeoff-

Absolutely! Half the things you want to look up in the indfex aren't there. It's as if someone has whizzed thru the document as a an afterthought

The Index was generated automatically. There are much better ways to do it.

-Susan

OK, then here's an offer to Cakewalk.

This index thing has been a gripe of mine for years. If they'd care to let me have a prepublication copy of (presumably) the next edition, presumably Sonar 6 manual, in (I assume) Word format, I'll happily go through it in my own time, without charge, and create a decent index for them.

Best,
Geoff

This is totally, awsomely nonsensical. The real question is Bosons vs. Fermions, not Bose vs. Fender. Also, newbies are cool as long as they STAY cool...and please go talk to shea if you want help getting REAL performance right out of the box...he is SOOOOOO cool!!! Anyone for tennis?

The way to maintain your sanity with the repetition of the same problems posted dailey is to apprentice the Noobs. If you've been around for a long time and are bothered by the Noob level questions then don't answer them. Allow the Noobs to help other Noobs. The first people to respond to a "I hear my previous tracks on newly recorded tracks" should be the less than 100 posts members. Give them a chance to participate by helping fellow Noobs with the experience level they have achieved. It's them that should be giving back to the forum by offering the "Turn off What You Hear" replies. When you see something that you remember from a year or two ago and you think you might have insight to the problem then chime in.

Anyway, that's what's been working for me.

ORIGINAL: Susan G

Hi-

It irritates me when people come here with no previous experience with DAW software and then complain about how hard it is to get started and how bad the documentation is, without spending any time at all with it.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm more than happy to help beginners, but if you're brand new to DAW software, start with Music Creator or Home Studio -- why jump feet first into the relatively much more expensive SONAR Producer (not even Studio) Edition?

And then why complain that it doesn't hold your hand through the basics?

And while I'm at it, assuming you might be in over your head with an "advanced" product when you've never gone through the basics, the very least you can do is go through the Tutorials before you whine that's it's all too hard & complicated. There's plenty of introductory material in the SONAR 5 Manual & Help file if you just take the time to read it.

All I'm saying is if you buy an expensive software package that you know nothing about, expect to spend a little time with the manual -- at least before you attack it for being inadequate.

Thanks-

-Susan

Well I'm a Newbie to DAW softwares! In fact I started using 5 PE in Nov-05 and I have never "complained about bad documentation" or that "it doesn't hold your hand through the basics"!

First thing I did even before using it was read the manual. Then I purchased all three books and read those. I also picked up the csi Master DVD as well and any other info that I may have found. I still read the books just about every day. There is still a good bit for me to learn but I have managed to 99% complete a 62-track mixdown and that is with playing or sequencing, including drums (No Loops) all inst's and creating a 32-part choir from a few of my singers harmonies vox's. Plus all of the plug-ins, their functionality and as well as learning Sound Forge & CD-Arch.

Tell me, could I have accomplished such a composition with "Music Creator or Home Studio"?