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John T
I can't speak for any hive mind, but I think five free updates is pretty good going, value-for-money wise. And I'd be surprised if there was one this late in the cycle; they usually release in Autumn / Winter.

fair enough, though i see the "free updates" as "free bugfixes" at least as far as the x-series goes
(eta)so was that a x3f or x4?

I'm concerned about the new owners of Cakewalk also. It seems to me there are some serious bugs left unfixed. Sadly I can't use X3, because of a show stopper bug for me that I posted here. If there is no X3F, I may decide to jump ship and go to a new program. I've already been burned once by X1. I couldn't use it because of bugs.
 
I've used Cakewalk products since the DOS days and there was only 1 version, Cakewalk Pro Audio 7 that almost no one could use and Cakewalk bent over backwards to make that one right. Let's hope the new owners will be as responsible.

In my opinion, bug fixes, i.e. making it work the way it was originally *advertized* to work,
should be seen as living up to the original contract made at the time of sale.

Then again, if there's a functional work around to a problem I don't think we should be married to an expectation because of an inability to adapt and keep making music.

I agree stuff should get fixed but Cakewalk/Gibson has been making a massive effort in fixing issues. No complaints right..... now. It's the difference between night and day when you compare it to the previous owners. I hope they keep it up and don't stop, close but no cigar yet. Great progress so far we should not dismiss the massive effort so far.

CakeAlexS
I agree stuff should get fixed but Cakewalk/Gibson has been making a massive effort in fixing issues. No complaints right..... now. It's the difference between night and day when you compare it to the previous owners. I hope they keep it up and don't stop, close but no cigar yet. Great progress so far we should not dismiss the massive effort so far.

I'm glad to hear what you said. I just hope they get a cigar from you and all of us limping along. So I guess you think an X3f is still possible? It seems like the new products get released in the fall, if I remember correctly.

CakeAlexS
Everybody expects an X4 at the end of the fall. However a lot of patches have come out and I hope at least one more big one... lot of development in this though time we shall see. New owners as well and X4 probably needs to be a game changer in order keep relevant in the current climate. This will all take time... This is all speculation, but one thing isn't, don't bet on X4 being released on schedule. On the other hand that may be exactly what happens... nobody really knows. Place your bets now :).

I appreciate your insights since I've been out of the loop for a while and only back in it since I got X3 in April., I realize it's speculation, but I think it's intelligent speculation based on all the things you've seen gone down in the last several years. So tell me why do you think X4 is likely to be behind schedule? Were there more bugs and problems to fix in X3 than they anticipated?


 
 

"I'm glad to hear what you said. I just hope they get a cigar from you and all of us limping along. So I guess you think an X3f is still possible? It seems like the new products get released in the fall, if I remember correctly."
 
"Limping along..."   Are you serious?  I'm a professional using this product for a LIVING!  I'm not even in the same universe as you.  What are you talking about?  Serious!  You've got to be joking, right?
 

 

Sorry Steve I agree with what Beep says here. I would log an enhancement request with Cakewalk. Cheers.

Hey Steve totally think its a good idea though..

Bumping this to test metatags.

GW would you mind creating a new thread for this... Thanks :)

Well 4 months since X3E there seems to be no confirmation of a X3F, so I am left assuming it will never happen and we will need to pay for X4 to clear these (mostly historical) issues that have gone on for years.


I expect these sort of responses from the Sonar community:
1) "The bugs are trivial," Anybody who says they are all trivial has not gone into depth reading them (please see post #1).
2) "It does not effect me" which is basically ignoring other people who are effected.
3) "All software has bugs". This is completely true, however most of these aren't the sort of bugs to sweep under the carpet.
4) "Sonar is perfectly stable". That is exactly right but read #1 for outstanding issues..
5) "I am happy with X3E". Yes so am I, Cakewalk has done a brilliant job so far. But it ain't over.

I was hoping money in the Gibson pockets would clear this. Or maybe I'm just on my 112 day cycle today... It would be nice to have that confirmed as to what is happening about this anyway, one way or another (to quote Blonde).

Cheers...

stevec
6) This is simply what Cakewalk has to do in order to continue their software development cycle.  
 
They've gotta move on at some point, so at least they have released a stable version (for most) in X3e.  Include a few issues from the list in an X3f and someone will just find a few more that really need to be included in another update.   It's a never ending cycle, a black hole, cats and dogs living together...
 

I think you are mainly referring to my 3rd point, yes all software will have bugs. But if we were to always think like that then no bugs are worth fixing. The bug reporting in the forums has slowed down dramatically since April. After an X3F (assuming most fixes listed here would be fixed) I would be surprised if there were many more serious issues.
 
What we have hanging around here is a backlog of (mainly) really old bugs. Sonar X3 was released 9 months ago. X3E resolved around 70 bugs which is about as many as we have outstanding in this list (of course not all bugs are the same). It's time they were gone.
 
Many of the bugs of the X3E list were present in X3D (around 15 bugs were fixed in the X3D list). An X3F that has eyeballs on this list I would assume is perfectly feasible, however I would not expect bugs to be fixed that don't need fixing in X4 (i.e. new functionality replacing old functionality), that would be a waste of time for their developers.
 
I think it's vital to kill them off before X4 introduces new bugs otherwise yes it will go on forever and reputation will diminish.
 
 
Cheers...

stevec
To say that X3e resolved 70 bugs and that an X3f could/should do the same just isn't that simple in my view.  I could ask why the 70 or so bugs that X3e resolved were chosen... why those and not others?   
 

 
I think I covered that by saying 'of course not all bugs are the same' when I was stating figures. I have no issues with the bugs they fixed in X3E, I'm sure they handled priorities entirely correctly. I was just looking at stats in response to your previous post.
 
Regardless it's undeniable that there is still a backlog to fix (out of years of neglect which I currently do not blame Cake for, they have been very proactive in trying to turn this around). My question to Cake is will there be an X3F to sort this out or not. Or will X4 (or even X4d) resolve most of this.
 
I stress out over this stuff because how X3 gets wrapped up will directly influence any X4 purchasing decision I make.
 
Cheers :)

This is the first month where there have been no further reproducable bugs reported at least in these forums. I dare not say that we have recorded them all (as we certainly haven't) but it 'feels' like we have as it's been slowing down since May. Regardless the slowdown is welcome.

Full details of what we still need fixes for are hanging around in the first post of this thread.

Cheers..

gmp
I wish I were able to use X3e, but the bugs I posted here unfortunately are show stoppers and are confirmed by Cakewalk Tech support. There are certainly some serious bugs to warrant an X3f, as Cake AlexS has suggested..

Agreed. Don't know why so many people seem to be so excited about X4 (for which they would have to pay) instead of expecting a free fix for these unresolved issues. X3f should indeed be the next "upgrade".