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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/05 19:52:48 (permalink)
Guys,
 
Maybe an apollogist for IK, but the Black Friday $99 for the total suite was mind blowing. Amplitube 3, all the Romplers, reverb, expansion paks. If I didn't already own these for hundreds of dollars over the years, a no brainer for a new admit.
 
Granted some of the samples in the Romplers are not 20-20000K. Not 64 bit yet, but the layout, workflow of the synths allows layering to professional standards if you don't require the intricite scripting in Kontakt.
 
If they got another Christmas/NewYear sale for $99, and you don't got the IK suite already, jump on it. Can't get a better bang for the Yen anywhere else IMHO.
 
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/07 00:33:19 (permalink)
More ground breaking news, Sampletank will support velocity and keyswitches!!!
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7116&start=41
Wow, hasn't Kontakt been doing this for about 10 years now?!?
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/07 01:21:52 (permalink)
What next?? That instruments will have...gasp...different articulations?? That samples will have "velocity sensitivity"??? That there will be a "legato" mode???

Sorry... Don't wish to make those anxiously awaiting S3's arrival heads explode.

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/07 05:33:58 (permalink)
how underwhelming - lets hope they're keeping the good bits secret until nearer the ilaunch date - you know, by the official launch in 2016 it may EVEN have the different iticulations Yoropal lusts after........................

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/07 06:42:34 (permalink)
Just dug out the old Facebook page on sampling for ST3 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150301378600147&type=3&l=7cc844125f
 
That was posted more than 3 years ago, so it's hardly any wonder people are cynical.
 
I am sure they will produce a decent bread & butter factory library but for those of us who have invested heavily in Kontakt (or Mach 5) libraries will there be anything to get excited about?
 
 

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/07 06:49:23 (permalink)
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What next?? That instruments will have...gasp...different articulations?? .




Ol' Pal - Looks like it!
by Peter_IK » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:34 pm
Breaking news! SampleTank 3 sounds will have articulations!

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/09 12:02:04 (permalink)
Well, it looks like ST3 will be only 64 bit so anyone wanting to use ST3 in a 32 bit DAW is S O L...
www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5588979 , seventh post down on the page


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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/09 15:57:18 (permalink)
I checked out that thread and found something amusing. The IKM reps keep using phrases like "I'm told", when reporting a feature of the new product. That's the funny part because anyone talking on social media, about a product they represent, should only deal in first hand knowledge.
 
I'm told Cakewalk will be releasing an X3d patch. It's going to address bugs and focus on specific graphics issues; or so I'm told. It should be out very soon but the clever bakers will not release it before it's just perfect. It will change everything and be backwards compatible with Sonar X1d; or so I'm told.

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/09 16:06:24 (permalink)
"Tell" it, John, ol pal!

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/09 16:13:27 (permalink)
64bit only? Coming from the guy that Should know whats going on?
 
If that's true I think somewhere in IK iLand you will hear a "KAPOW" "Ow, my foot"...  I didn't realize that iCrap is 64bit.

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/09 17:55:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2013/12/11 17:50:06
I don't see the problem with 64bit only. I wish software would just go 64bit and be done with it and stop trying to make 32bit compatible 64bit. I could be wrong, since I'm just spouting BS here, but maybe that's why there is so much difficulty with compatibility and why people have so much problems with crossing 32bit and 64bit.

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/09 18:01:30 (permalink)
I'm in your camp Guitarpima but there are still SO many folks that are living in the 32bit world. I guess we'll see what happens...
 

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/09 18:54:55 (permalink)
Well here are the problems with that scenario...
 
Many of the "DAWs" are still 32 bit...

i.e.  Harrison Mixbus (which doesn't support VSTi anyways), Acoustica Mixcraft Pro, and Pro Tools JUST went 64 bit...

All of these will eventually be 64 bit...BUT, in the meantime, those who own these, 
or who have chosen to continue using the 32 bit versions of Windows with Sonar, Pro Tools, 
Cubase, etc...will be left out of the "buy-in"....

That's cutting off your nose despite your face...but, that's what IK does...all the time...
and makes no apologies for it...


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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/09 23:43:10 (permalink)
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64bit only? Coming from the guy that Should know whats going on?


I predicted Native Instruments would be the first to launch a 64 bit only program. Still Kontakt 6 may still be out before ST3 . I can't imagine using Kontakt 5 in 32 bit. Load up two or three Kirk Hunter instruments and an Orange Tree Guitar and my old Daw (12GB, i7 and Vista 64) would creak a bit. Now with 32GB there is never an issue.
 
It would be a bold move but someone has to do it some time but it will reduce mass market appeal and reduce the potential user base. I don't know is stability issues arrise through having to support both 32 and 64 bit but it must complicate things.
 
BTW Jbridge will bridge 64 bit plug in into 32 bit hosts.
 
If I was still using 32 bit I would have no issues with ST2
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/10 15:55:09 (permalink)
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I don't see the problem with 64bit only. I wish software would just go 64bit and be done with it and stop trying to make 32bit compatible 64bit. I could be wrong, since I'm just spouting BS here, but maybe that's why there is so much difficulty with compatibility and why people have so much problems with crossing 32bit and 64bit.




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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/10 16:16:17 (permalink)
So it looks like the folks that are still running 32bit are going to save themselves some money by just continuing to use the existing IK vi's and not even think about ST3. 

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/10 23:09:00 (permalink)
IK is the "Blackberry"  of the rapidly evolving Samplodium...
 
Still got both somewhere...they were nice, once... but both rested on their laurels and milked a once cutting edge cow as others created the new amazing  tools that are absolutely mindblowing compared to ST
 
To illustrate IK's irrelevence these days, I own ALL their stuff...was a great deal 3 or 4 yrs ago... but as I'm upgrading my cpu/mb, and adding an 840pro as my boot drive I've sorta decided NOT to reinstall any of the ik stuff, which ALL still sits at 32bit... the only major chunk of realistate on my machine left in that state...
 
except amplitude... they fixed that ONE product... i think... didn't they?  oh, I'm soooo confused....
 
IKberry... best of luck!
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/11 00:19:10 (permalink)
Vastman
 
except amplitude... they fixed that ONE product... i think... didn't they?  oh, I'm soooo confused....
 



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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/12 14:38:00 (permalink)
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I checked out that thread and found something amusing. The IKM reps keep using phrases like "I'm told", when reporting a feature of the new product. That's the funny part because anyone talking on social media, about a product they represent, should only deal in first hand knowledge.
 
I'm told Cakewalk will be releasing an X3d patch. It's going to address bugs and focus on specific graphics issues; or so I'm told. It should be out very soon but the clever bakers will not release it before it's just perfect. It will change everything and be backwards compatible with Sonar X1d; or so I'm told.




That is because 'I'm  told' that every statement will be picked apart if some disclaimer isn't used.

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/12 15:54:06 (permalink)
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I checked out that thread and found something amusing. The IKM reps keep using phrases like "I'm told", when reporting a feature of the new product. That's the funny part because anyone talking on social media, about a product they represent, should only deal in first hand knowledge.
 
I'm told Cakewalk will be releasing an X3d patch. It's going to address bugs and focus on specific graphics issues; or so I'm told. It should be out very soon but the clever bakers will not release it before it's just perfect. It will change everything and be backwards compatible with Sonar X1d; or so I'm told.




That is because 'I'm  told' that every statement will be picked apart if some disclaimer isn't used.


To be honest, has it really made any difference? Aren't these things already being "picked apart"? On the contrary, when someone is promoting a product and states "I'm told" this or that, it leaves a view of uncertainty about the actual knowledge/validity of the product. It doesn't instill confidence to the prospective customer.
I suppose most people are just frustrated with IK in not keeping up with the (64 bit) industry standards with regular updates after investing a lot of money in these products. I'll still use all the 32 bit IK software I purchased as I think they're still very useful, but my confidence in IK's support of these products are something that's left to be desired. 
 
 

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/12 16:00:11 (permalink)
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I checked out that thread and found something amusing. The IKM reps keep using phrases like "I'm told", when reporting a feature of the new product. That's the funny part because anyone talking on social media, about a product they represent, should only deal in first hand knowledge.
 
I'm told Cakewalk will be releasing an X3d patch. It's going to address bugs and focus on specific graphics issues; or so I'm told. It should be out very soon but the clever bakers will not release it before it's just perfect. It will change everything and be backwards compatible with Sonar X1d; or so I'm told.




That is because 'I'm  told' that every statement will be picked apart if some disclaimer isn't used.




If everything you say is true, then people can pick apart your statements at will and you get to say I told you so.

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/12 16:23:07 (permalink)
They do it either ways. Just take a look at the last two posts. ;)

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/12 16:27:21 (permalink)
Obi, then why worry about it. Just be objective and continue forward my friend!

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/13 15:55:52 (permalink)
Will do.

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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/13 18:43:25 (permalink)
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IK is the "Blackberry"  of the rapidly evolving Samplodium...
 
Still got both somewhere...they were nice, once... but both rested on their laurels and milked a once cutting edge cow as others created the new amazing  tools that are absolutely mindblowing compared to ST
 
To illustrate IK's irrelevence these days, I own ALL their stuff...was a great deal 3 or 4 yrs ago... but as I'm upgrading my cpu/mb, and adding an 840pro as my boot drive I've sorta decided NOT to reinstall any of the ik stuff, which ALL still sits at 32bit... the only major chunk of realistate on my machine left in that state...
 
except amplitude... they fixed that ONE product... i think... didn't they?  oh, I'm soooo confused....
 
IKberry... best of luck!


And ARC is 64bit too.
And T-Racks is 64bit.
 
And Sample Tank....... never mind.
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/13 21:44:16 (permalink)
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/14 00:23:29 (permalink)
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IK is the "Blackberry"  of the rapidly evolving Samplodium...
 
Still got both somewhere...they were nice, once... but both rested on their laurels and milked a once cutting edge cow as others created the new amazing  tools that are absolutely mindblowing compared to ST
 
To illustrate IK's irrelevence these days, I own ALL their stuff...was a great deal 3 or 4 yrs ago... but as I'm upgrading my cpu/mb, and adding an 840pro as my boot drive I've sorta decided NOT to reinstall any of the ik stuff, which ALL still sits at 32bit... the only major chunk of realistate on my machine left in that state...
 
except amplitude... they fixed that ONE product... i think... didn't they?  oh, I'm soooo confused....
 
IKberry... best of luck!


Almost everything they make is 64bit except for SampleTank.  Their FX plug-ins are easily as good as anything in the business.  We're all annoyed about SamplteTank but the IK bashing is getting really ridiculous and stale.
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/14 00:25:04 (permalink)
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We're all annoyed about SamplteTank but the IK bashing is getting really ridiculous and stale.


We should find more creative ways to bash?
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/14 00:31:51 (permalink)
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We're all annoyed about SamplteTank but the IK bashing is getting really ridiculous and stale.


We should find more creative ways to bash?


Absolutely.
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3 2013/12/14 17:35:00 (permalink)
Thanks VintageVibe, I didn't feel like arguing about the rest of our line. Plus more creative ways should be interesting.

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