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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2013/12/15 00:22:22
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Lol. Where there's smoke there's fire.
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gustabo
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 11:10:22
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So it's after the end of the year of 2013 and Sampletank 3 was not released, did the free serial numbers go to whoever was supposed to receive them?
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 13:46:19
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It's very bizarre that when companies are silent they get bashed but if they interact they get bashed even more. Yes, I believe ST3 is playing catchup and I do have a wait and see approach, but give it a rest. Hats off to Obi for taking constant shooting of the messenger.
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 13:55:15
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dubdisciple It's very bizarre that when companies are silent they get bashed but if they interact they get bashed even more. Yes, I believe ST3 is playing catchup and I do have a wait and see approach, but give it a rest. Hats off to Obi for taking constant shooting of the messenger.
My post was not bashing, I just wanted to see if they kept their word and followed through with their promise to give, was it Guitarpima?, the free serials to TRacks and whatever else it was, maybe Amplitube? That, to me, would be the sign of a good company.
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 14:11:49
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dubdisciple It's very bizarre that when companies are silent they get bashed but if they interact they get bashed even more. Yes, I believe ST3 is playing catchup and I do have a wait and see approach, but give it a rest. Hats off to Obi for taking constant shooting of the messenger.
it's not that Dub...it's the fact that they've been saying this same thing for about it for 4 years...it's coming..soon...blah blah blah. Nothing of it is aimed at Obi. He's just the Rep who comes to this forum, so, naturally, will get the "Lions Share" of the bashings. SampleTank has been an EPIC failure on the part of IK, as well as the others in the ST line. Not as a product, per se, but as a "Flagship" sampler that has gone completely unsupported for 4+ years. No updates...nothing. Then they want to come in and "BLOW THEIR OWN HORN" about how great the new version is...when all the other samplers in the business have had those things for years, been 64 bit for years, etc...and are vastly superior in most aspects to the current offering, and probably vastly superior to ST3, as they've been at it longer. Nothing bizarre about that at all...not even remotely bizarre. The vast majority here like Obi, but, as the Rep, he gets the "low down"...even though it's not directed at him. He also needs to be, as the Company Rep, a little more "on the game", and not saying "I'm told". As a Rep for the company HE SHOULD KNOW, or say nothing. Quite simple really. Furthermore, I, specifically was promised by Obi that SampleTank 3 would be out before the end of the year. Someone chimed in on MY thread that it wouldn't, and, consequently, was going to be "given" Product licenses. I got nothing, even though it was MY THREAD. That's another sad statement about the company TO ME. I have been in BOYCOTT of IK for quite a while. They've been nothing but misrepresentative about this product for years. But you can bet your bottom dollar that they're hard at work at "I" whatever...leaving those of us, who invested hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars in SampleTank sounds high and dry. So, finally, after over 4 years of no support whatsoever, and 10 years of being out on the market, were going to get a ST 3...and everyone beats the drums and bangs the gongs like it's something MAGNIFICENT. NO...it's long overdue, nothing to speak of but another Sampler, and those who are banging the drums and gongs have only been in the game since the recent sales and got the ST products for next to nothing. So I can see why THEY are excited. Not that I blame them...come to the game late, get everything for nothing, and YOU get the benefit. Be one of the first on board, spend thousands...get shafted...yeah...that's fair. End of story...bye bye..
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ampfixer
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 14:40:24
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I've been waiting for this thread to be revived. There seems to be a lack of IK reps around here for about a month so I imagine Obi is waiting for the mothership to land. I just finished deleting all my free IK stuff because I don't want to be a hypocrite. I still think their Fender amp sim is one of the best but I've moved on and committed my money to Guitar Rig and Kontakt. You can't wait forever on vapour ware. Happy New Year Obi, wherever you are. All the best in 2014.
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IK Obi
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 14:55:07
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Same to you Ampfixer! To great music and new gear in 2014! gustabo So it's after the end of the year of 2013 and Sampletank 3 was not released, did the free serial numbers go to whoever was supposed to receive them?
Yup, we've already talked via PM. We will make good on our word for what we offered.
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ohgrant
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 17:34:07
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I'm glad to hear that Obi is taking care of the promises made by Peter to Guitarpima. Though there is some grey area there, I can understand how others that had ST3 at the time could take that thread as a promise to all ST3 owners. Peter did quote Guitarpima and made the bold statement if it is not out by the first of the year, he would authorize Obi to give him that bundle for free. From my observation, it looked like Obi got a bit upset that he was losing the argument , called in the Calvary and they proceeded to try to bully Guitarpima into seeing things their way. For what was said by Guitarpima, I thought taking it to that level with him about their forum policies was uncalled for, especially when Larry was delivering broadside after broadside about their product. Sorry to single you out Larry. Misdirected fire on IK's part IMO. That was the second time I've seen Obi call for Peter and both times turned out to be total marketing failures from the vantage point of this IK customer. If I was a boss at IK or a major share holder, the bet thread would have been enough for me to put Peter in the unemployment line. I'm pretty sure there are legal issues with the bet he made and I don't think it is something that would be wise for them to discuss in any open thread. If any member here feels they were also being addressed in that thread, I would suggest they PM Obi to find out IK's position on this. With that said, I did pick up ST2 during the 50% off Christmas sale and loving it. I certainly don't feel cheated and makes little difference to me that it is still 32bit. If it makes me a hypocrite to still use IK plugs and sounds after all that transpired, I can live with that. My issue with IK is certainly not the quality of their products. I'm also pretty confident that Obi is mostly a great asset to have here. Marketing is great when it's just the facts without the spin and alpha male posturing. In any case I can certainly forgive. I guess we all have a lot to learn about governing our passions myself included. I also apologize to all including the IK reps for the role I played in those threads. I hope everyone has a prosperous new year. Blessings and 1,700 VST's your way
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dubdisciple
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 17:35:38
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I'm not trying to invalidate any complaints. They are valid but it does feel a bit like a lynch mob on Obi even if that's not the intent. If Obi made promises he should deliver but most of the ik threads are just repeating the same thing. I'll be the first to admit I stopped holding my breath for ST3 and my expectations are low. Hoping I am pleasantly surprised
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dubdisciple
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 17:43:03
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And "bashing" may have been the wrong word, but ohgrant seems to get that even with all the valid points, after awhi Klink e these third ngs grow beyond simple right or wrong. All the "me toos" and kindling to a flame that burns out of control even if the intent was withiut malice
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 17:49:35
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dubdisciple And "bashing" may have been the wrong word, but ohgrant seems to get that even with all the valid points, after awhi Klink e these third ngs grow beyond simple right or wrong. All the "me toos" and kindling to a flame that burns out of control even if the intent was withiut malice
That's easy for you to say....;)
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dubdisciple
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 17:53:08
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Lol..I just dont want product reps to get get nshy about posting.I would like to think the feedback is helpful even when it is negative.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 17:53:50
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And I really should not type on my phone lol
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 18:16:41
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My impression is that IK_Peter showed up and blasted a bold face lie to everyone participating in that thread. It undermined the credibility of his company when he acted like a bull in a china shop and now that it turns out he has made a fool of himself it has undermined his credibility as an industry professional as well. It's pretty obvious that IK has a different standard for treating its customers than many of its customers think is standard. I'm waiting for my consolation gifts and a heartfelt apology from *Mr. There IS No Free Speech*. I wonder if he can explain whether he has figured out if making a big bold show of arguing and lying is better or worse than simply and quietly admitting that you just don't have an answer.
post edited by mike_mccue - 2014/01/01 18:18:33
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cclarry
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 21:34:36
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BTW...just so you all know, IK KNOWS that those of us who have been F**ked by IK probably won't be buying the "NEW" ST 3 product, so they decided to basically GIVE all the current ST stuff away in the last "group buy" and Sale, so that the "Newbies" would buy their "NEW" product.
THAT basically, to me, says "Screw you long time customer, if you won't buy we'll get others to buy the product by giving them all the stuff you paid thousands for for free, and just rape you a little more"
YES, that's a great marketing scheme...
If you guys buy what they're selling...you're far "dumber" then dumb...especially knowing the History of the product. But, I would expect nothing less from "newbies"...so have it.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 21:55:45
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I think you are holding back. Tell us how you really feel. lol
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dubdisciple
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 22:03:02
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For $__ts and giggles, let's say someone actually likes ST3 and it serves their needs, are they automatically dumb because you say so? As i said, there is no doubt IK dropped the ball, but they also created a few products that have gotten plenty of mileage in pop music. we know it's not beyond their capabilities to make good products . the rape stuff is a little harsh. If you bought ST long ago it was state of the art at the time and if you bought it recently it was dirt cheap. In any case, most people got what they paid for. I know too many rape victims to compare being dissatisfied with a software product with being physically violated lol.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 22:06:37
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btw, don't take me too seriously in this thread. It's hard to tell via text, but I'm half serious at best. I'm cynical too but just can't seem to raise the same level of hostility.
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SuperG
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 22:30:24
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btw, don't take me too seriously in this thread. It's hard to tell via text, but I'm half serious at best. I'm cynical too but just can't seem to raise the same level of hostility. Don't sweat it, this thread was assessed long ago...
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ohgrant
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Re: Pardon my Cynicism...ST3
2014/01/01 23:02:24
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Well I don't speak for Larry, but I would say he's speaking more figuratively. I'm sure folks realize that ST3 really has to be groundbreaking for it to be competitive with what's available now . It's going to have to be much more than just a little more content, a nicer GUI and built around 64bit architecture. In any case, I'm sure one day I'll get it, when it's about the same price as I got ST2 for. If one wants to doubt my intelligence for that, that is his affair I'm pretty sure he just being familiar, after all, evaluating an individuals intelligence on who they do business with is just plain stupid no?
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