Partially Solved: Video Codec to play .MOV files in Sonar 64-bit - thanks, Klaus!

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I pray that the 64-bit Quicktime codec will be integrated SOON - so I can score - please, please, please!

Some more basic to intermediate video scoring implementation is desperately needed in Sonar, guys!  

I DO use Sonar for TV and Web ad music beds, and improvements must be made for scoring to picture.

As always, THANKS - and I know you guys will make it happen!



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amdrecording


There is a program called "AVS Video Converter 7". It is very simple to use- and you can take ANY quicktime file, and quickly convert it to something Sonar can accept. I know this is lame, but just a fact of life- Sonar is very picky about video codecs. The "IBM Motion JPEG" codec seems to work best for me, though I'd love to know what else people are using!

I can transfer a 2 hour film from .mov to a .avi (using IBM Motion codec) in less than 20 minutes, so it's not that big of a time waster.

Hope it helps,

Alex

I tried this a few months ago, and it absolutely did NOT work for the new Apple .mov files.

Thank you for the suggestion.


I'd LOVE to hear from some of the CW programmers on this...

CW said it is Apple's responsibility to come up with a 64 bit codec. 

@Wynnsong - Whats wrong with Sony Vegas?  I was considering purchasing that next for converting videos and chopping them up in smaller pieces to work with.  Now you have me worried

May Cakewalk be sensitive to your wish. :)

To sqye and all - AVS Video Converter 7 works 100 percent of the time, it's not difficult - and totally dependable... and it really (REALLY) isn't a hassle. It's not the most convenient thing, having to transfer .mov files to a different format, but it's quick and easy. Literally 15 minutes of experimenting will get you up to speed, and then you can complain about something else! (with X1 I think there are plenty of other things to complain about before this).

Also a quick note about H.264 Quicktime files- they are NOT the best format to be using inside a sequencer ANYWAY. Although file sizes are pretty small, as far as I know the H.264 compression takes a bit of your computers processing/hard drive power to render in real-time. You're better off converting it to something else anyway!



...and personally, I think it IS Apple's responsibility to provide 64-bit functionality to Quicktime. Would the bakers even be able to do it if they wanted to? Seems to me like it's Apple's product, and their job to support 64-bit, not anyone else's...

-Alex

I agree- people have been requesting an update to the scoring to video tools within Sonar, and I think an overhaul on that front is long overdue. It's undeniable that many other sequencers are MUCH better with picture. With this workaround, I'm at least functional though. Let me know if you have any trouble and good luck!

what settings are working well for you in Vegas - what codecs are you using? How big are the files being output? thnks for sharing the info!

Eotm

Trying to get Sonar to use QT files is just shooting yourself in the foot.

We pretty much use QT video files exclusively in Sonar. It's not a problem here.

Regarding 64 bit quicktime: It doesn't exist on windows. Apple needs to make one, and then Sonar can probably use it.

But, if Cakewalk were serious about scoring to video, they would make a 'bridge' in Sonar 64 bit that could use the 32 bit quicktime libraries. So it's not entirely on Apple, Cakewalk could do something about it if they really wanted to.

Yes, this has been my entire point!


Thanks, Eotm!


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amdrecording


what settings are working well for you in Vegas - what codecs are you using? How big are the files being output? thnks for sharing the info!

Thanks for all your help here, amd! 

Yes, I agree CW should up their scoring functionalities.

Many DAWs offer better scoring to picture features because this is where a SIGNIFICANT amount 
of the professional work available in the industry is today - especially for project studios 
and independent composers and producers.

If you can't score to picture - at least BASICALLY - you're going to miss out 
on potential available work in the industry!

So, come on, CW - get your act together.

Please.

I LOVE your products, but I also have to EAT :) 

And if I can't get basic industry scoring to picture work, 
how am I supposed to be able to afford your sw :) 

Seriously, if CW wants to compete, and offer competitive sw 
with competitive standard industry features, then they've GOT to address basic video scoring.

I mean every teenager and their mother scores to picture these days.

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There is no native Quicktime x64 component available. At least Steinberg managed to provide a very efficient QT wrapper for x64 systems but I doubt Cakewalk will invest time in such an effort for Sonar.
I´m scoring to picture in x64 without issues, although not with Sonar.

kubalibre

eikelbijter


We really need to stop buying Apple products people! No matter how pretty they look.....

Please, for the good of the world!

R

I don´t give a sh** on apple products, I am already boykotting them by not buying anything from them for 5 years
 
I hate the myPhone, myTunes, and myJobbs guru scientology sect-like behaviour
 
 

i thought you boycotted sonar too?

amdrecording


what settings are working well for you in Vegas - what codecs are you using? How big are the files being output? thnks for sharing the info!

You know,  i'm not sure what the codecs are that Vegas generates.  I know that if i create a mpeg-1 or an AVI file,  both work well.  AVI files are way larger, 10 minutes can be into gigabytes, but are suppose to use less cpu power.
 
Some QT files will work fine for me,  because I have the latest version of QT Pro on my computor which Sonar will use,  but some will not.  There are a lot of different things that AVIDs (Digidesign video editing systems) will do to QT files,  so I do not even bother with it.
 
Something i'd like to point out.  I place my 1st frame of video at :10 for lots of good reasons.  Many times you will will recieve updated video versions from clients and different editors are involved and the picture will have a different starting point.  Like a :03 lead-in instead of :01,  then you will spend time re syncing your start...a total waste of time.

There is nothing that Cakewalk can do about it - we would have if we could. Quicktime support in SONAR relies on the quicktime API from Apple. Apple has not released a 64 bit version of their SDK yet and I have no idea whether they have plans to do so.
I suppose it could be hacked with bridging. Just what we need - another 32x64 bridge right? :)

Hey since we're on the topic of scoring, how in hell do you create a marker-based list of tempos in Sonar? Been wondering that for many years, but there has to be a way...

A1MixMan

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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There is nothing that Cakewalk can do about it - we would have if we could. Quicktime support in SONAR relies on the quicktime API from Apple. Apple has not released a 64 bit version of their SDK yet and I have no idea whether they have plans to do so.
I suppose it could be hacked with bridging. Just what we need - another 32x64 bridge right? :)

Wouldn't an easy solution be to just include a .mov converter, so when you imported any .mov X1 would prompt you to confirm the conversion and then load that new file automatically?
 
Something like "Convert movie1.mov to movie1.mpeg?" with a drop down list of all the convertable file types.

Very good idea! +1