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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 17:36:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ohgrant 2015/12/02 19:49:08
I only read the first page so if this is already out there, excuse me...
 
Cakewalk is a business, the more money they make the more people (R&D) they can employ. We surely don't want Gibson to see Cakewalk as a loser or even revenue neutral. I think it is in our collective best interest for them to thrive. I will be buying another year, I will probably keep buying after I am no longer able to make much use of it. I will purchase pretty much everything they offer. I VALUE Cakewalk very much and will support them by buying, even if I don't "need" what they offer.
It is my choice. I am absolutely AMAZED at all the things Sonar can do and do well. Does anyone remember 10/15 years ago when you needed expensive computer horsepower and expensive external gear. ADAT anyone? Roland 24 track table top recorders with the 'virtual tracks'. A MIDI sync. You could spend a PILE of money, thousands... and not get what we so easily get with Sonar. Now, I realize it isn't all Cakewalk, it is also MS, intel, and others... and there are other DAWs but MY DAW is SONAR and it will be SONAR and it is in my interest to support them so that they do well and get better and better... that is my vision. If I'm wrong, well... it won't break the bank but if I'm right, we all WIN.
 
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 17:48:22 (permalink)
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there are other DAWs but MY DAW is SONAR and it will be SONAR and it is in my interest to support them so that they do well and get better and better... that is my vision. If I'm wrong, well... it won't break the bank but if I'm right, we all WIN.
 
Sign me up!!
 
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I totally agree

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 19:08:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2015/12/03 01:16:07
Thing I've noticed with Sonar problems, is it seems to be the same people all the time. They don't just have a bit of a bug or glitch one time, but every month there's some problem.

Now it seems to be that there is also a huge group of folks who don't have any serious issues and only an occassional well known problem that gets fixed pretty quickly.

This all tells me that there are folks who just don't know computers as well as they think and their systems aren't as well put together as they think. Under those conditions it's easy for a program to show up deficiencies in a PC. I know because I've been there.

It's easy to blame Cakewalk, but how could it be possible that it's such a bad program considering that the greater number of users, by far, have little or no problems with Sonar.

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 20:14:47 (permalink)
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Thing I've noticed with Sonar problems, is it seems to be the same people all the time. They don't just have a bit of a bug or glitch one time, but every month there's some problem.

Now it seems to be that there is also a huge group of folks who don't have any serious issues and only an occassional well known problem that gets fixed pretty quickly.

This all tells me that there are folks who just don't know computers as well as they think and their systems aren't as well put together as they think. Under those conditions it's easy for a program to show up deficiencies in a PC. I know because I've been there.

It's easy to blame Cakewalk, but how could it be possible that it's such a bad program considering that the greater number of users, by far, have little or no problems with Sonar.


Well said.

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 20:25:25 (permalink)
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I am struggling to find a reason to pay for another year of subscriptions. I plan to upgrade to Kingston tonight so what would I really be missing out on if I don't re-up? Price just does not seem worth it to me your thoughts?



My thoughts? Only you and you alone can know what YOUR needs/wants are and what's worth spending YOUR money on.
 
Why are you asking us? We all have our own needs/wants/budget that are likely to differ from your own (and each others). We have no idea what you want/need nor do we know what Sonar 2016 will bring.
 
If you asked why OTHERS might resusbscribe... that's probably a better question.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 20:31:18 (permalink)
PS: X3 was good but had a few EXTREMELY annoying bugs that seriously slowed down my personal workflow. Those have been fixed and some of the new features have been ultra useful to me (and stuff I'd been asking for).
 
Could I still work in X3? Yup... but it ain't as good as SPlat... IMO... but my needs/wants are my needs/wants. They are completely unrelated to how anyone else works.
 
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 20:39:06 (permalink)
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This all tells me that there are folks who just don't know computers as well as they think and their systems aren't as well put together as they think. Under those conditions it's easy for a program to show up deficiencies in a PC. I know because I've been there.



As have I, which is why after owning a Dell I made a policy decision years ago to purchase computers only from companies that integrated systems for music. For reliable and efficient music-making, that was the smartest decision I ever made. I credit much of my virtually trouble-free operation of SONAR (and Sony Vegas, for that matter) to the platform on which I run them, my referring to documentation, and my willingness to come up with a workaround (which is almost always possible) when problems do occur.
 
Helpful people in the forum don't hurt, either :)

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 20:46:55 (permalink)
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That's quite an investment, Craig!  But then you had been one of a few who owned such equipment and people were booking time weeks or months ahead to get to your studio and make a recording. So this investment was very rewarding.

 
Absolutely not the situation. I never could own that kind of gear, so I paid for studio time...where every 90 minutes I paid the equivalent of the Splat upgrade. Or more accurately, it was deducted from my record royalties before anything (except the ASCAP songwriting royalties) ended up in my bank account. And if you think running a studio was a "very rewarding" investment, that was true for only a handful of world-class studios due to the high operational costs, and only for a relatively short window of time.
 
My point is, an average DAW user is a hobbyist or semi-pro. So investing in a software product is something people will think twice about before "pulling the trigger".



Then hobbyists who are watching budgets super-carefully shouldn't buy more costly software that's designed for hardcore professional users who make a living off of it. They can buy SONAR Artist, or Music Creator, get a bundled version of an LE program with an interface, or whatever rather than complain about paying the price for pro-level equipment. Similarly, this is why Fender makes Squier guitars, Gibson makes Epiphone, and Porsche makes Volkswagens.
 

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 22:22:10 (permalink)
This thread has been marked helpful and I am proud of that. The original question was about your thoughts not do you agree or disagree with my thoughts. What I have learned most from this thread is that we all have a unique purpose for this DAW which drives what decision we make. I don't know the user who said it but the message was their is no right or wrong way to give your thoughts on this question. I do feel some took the topic seriously as if I was calling it a sub par DAW for being on the fence for renewing my subscription. Not the case at all they must have skipped all the times I wrote what I have now fits my needs. I should have known in a public forum to expect that but hey that is what this forum is all about expression.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 22:32:10 (permalink)
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I am struggling to find a reason to pay for another year of subscriptions. I plan to upgrade to Kingston tonight so what would I really be missing out on if I don't re-up? Price just does not seem worth it to me your thoughts?

hum? I think that 12 months of updates would not exactly end in December... I got it the end of January and with the original purchase you get 12 months of updates and my 1st update was the end of February, so wouldn't January be the 12th month to get an update?

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 22:33:57 (permalink)
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This thread has been marked helpful and I am proud of that. The original question was about your thoughts not do you agree or disagree with my thoughts. What I have learned most from this thread is that we all have a unique purpose for this DAW which drives what decision we make. I don't know the user who said it but the message was their is no right or wrong way to give your thoughts on this question. I do feel some took the topic seriously as if I was calling it a sub par DAW for being on the fence for renewing my subscription. Not the case at all they must have skipped all the times I wrote what I have now fits my needs. I should have known in a public forum to expect that but hey that is what this forum is all about expression.

I agree with your assessment except its not about expression at all but help and service to others.  
This forum in particular is all about help. The Coffee House is all about expression.
  

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 22:37:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2015/12/03 12:07:07
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The Coffee House is all about expression.
  


You have a gift for understatement, my friend.

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 22:53:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John 2015/12/03 14:02:39
In my opinion, Platinum was a great choice for 2015. Though many of the new features I have not used, I think that they added a lot of value to the DAW. I am sure I will pay sometime in 2016, but I will wait for a gotta have moment (which comes too frequently). I am sure many will do the same.  Cakewalk has to expect this and is bound to have plans to get us on board. I think Cakewalk's subscription is effectively Cakewalk gambling on theirselves. So far, I think they are winning, but I think the stakes keep getting higher. I hope they keep winning.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 22:58:35 (permalink)
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In my opinion, Platinum was a great choice for 2015. Though many of the new features I have not used, I think that they added a lot of value to the DAW. I am sure I will pay sometime in 2016, but I will wait for a gotta have moment (which comes too frequently). I am sure many will do the same.  Cakewalk has to expect this and is bound to have plans to get us on board. I think Cakewalk's subscription is effectively Cakewalk gambling on theirselves. So far, I think they are winning, but I think the stakes keep getting higher. I hope they keep winning.


This is the best answer I have read on this thread. 

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/02 23:53:48 (permalink)
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These type of threads tend to get tiresome. Upgrade or don't.
 
 




In which case; a) don't read the thread, and b) don't post on the thread.


1) this thread had a hidden agenda and dropped to these type of exchanges.
2) me posting and reading are not your business.

 
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 00:59:25 (permalink)
Hmm these posts about threads being tiresome are getting tiresome.. In retrospect, this comment I wrote about the tiresome post observing a tiresome post, is getting tiresome as well. I'm tired goodnight...

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 01:48:03 (permalink)
All right-thinking people agree. He's right.
post edited by kevinwal - 2015/12/03 01:59:44

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 09:18:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/12/03 19:47:03
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In my opinion, Platinum was a great choice for 2015. Though many of the new features I have not used, I think that they added a lot of value to the DAW. I am sure I will pay sometime in 2016, but I will wait for a gotta have moment (which comes too frequently). I am sure many will do the same.  Cakewalk has to expect this and is bound to have plans to get us on board. I think Cakewalk's subscription is effectively Cakewalk gambling on theirselves. So far, I think they are winning, but I think the stakes keep getting higher. I hope they keep winning.


This is the best answer I have read on this thread. 




 
You know what John , I honestly wish you did not determine that this was the best answer to a thread you yourself did not start .  As a courtesy  to the OP who started this thread in the first place , should that not be the OP's right and decision ?  
 
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 09:32:49 (permalink)
No, it is open to anyone to decide that. BTW a thread has no ownership. It belongs to the forum. Each post belongs to the poster that posted it. Often when someone  puts +1 in a post its a form of agreement and liking a post. That has been going on for ever. I have often said similar things about a post. At no time has anyone objected.
post edited by John - 2015/12/03 09:50:31

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 09:52:21 (permalink)
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In my opinion, Platinum was a great choice for 2015. Though many of the new features I have not used, I think that they added a lot of value to the DAW. I am sure I will pay sometime in 2016, but I will wait for a gotta have moment (which comes too frequently). I am sure many will do the same.  Cakewalk has to expect this and is bound to have plans to get us on board. I think Cakewalk's subscription is effectively Cakewalk gambling on theirselves. So far, I think they are winning, but I think the stakes keep getting higher. I hope they keep winning.


This is the best answer I have read on this thread. 




 
You know what John , I honestly wish you did not determine that this was the best answer to a thread you yourself did not start .  As a courtesy  to the OP who started this thread in the first place , should that not be the OP's right and decision ?  
 
Kenny



The OP already gave his opinions on the thread, which is something I wish OP's would do more often. His comment "What I have learned most from this thread is that we all have a unique purpose for this DAW which drives what decision we make" may seem obvious, but it's not. I believe this is particularly true with SONAR, which can be used for so many different applications.
 
As to judging other posts, I think that's fair game and adds to a thread's value. I don't see anything wrong with someone giving a "thumbs up" to someone else's post...especially when you have a thread this long, and people might be skimming it looking for "nuggets."
 
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 10:54:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/12/03 19:47:47
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In my opinion, Platinum was a great choice for 2015. Though many of the new features I have not used, I think that they added a lot of value to the DAW. I am sure I will pay sometime in 2016, but I will wait for a gotta have moment (which comes too frequently). I am sure many will do the same.  Cakewalk has to expect this and is bound to have plans to get us on board. I think Cakewalk's subscription is effectively Cakewalk gambling on theirselves. So far, I think they are winning, but I think the stakes keep getting higher. I hope they keep winning.


This is the best answer I have read on this thread. 




 
You know what John , I honestly wish you did not determine that this was the best answer to a thread you yourself did not start .  As a courtesy  to the OP who started this thread in the first place , should that not be the OP's right and decision ?  
 
Kenny



The OP already gave his opinions on the thread, which is something I wish OP's would do more often. His comment "What I have learned most from this thread is that we all have a unique purpose for this DAW which drives what decision we make" may seem obvious, but it's not. I believe this is particularly true with SONAR, which can be used for so many different applications.
 
As to judging other posts, I think that's fair game and adds to a thread's value. I don't see anything wrong with someone giving a "thumbs up" to someone else's post...especially when you have a thread this long, and people might be skimming it looking for "nuggets."
 
It's all good.


I think that Kenny was saying that other than the OP the only ones who can mark a post Best Answer are hosts (because of their super powers) and mods.
 
I too "vote" that a any host or mod should not "generally" use their powers to decide what is the Best Answer. I feel that is the OPs eminent domain.
 
But I don't make the rules, I only have to live by them. 
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 11:36:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/03 14:07:21
And as I have experienced first hand, once a mod/host marks a post (in a thread I started) as best answer I (as the OP) cannot remove that best answer and mark another post as best answer.
 
It just seems to me that if I do not own a thread (as has been suggested) I should *always* have the privilege  of deciding what was the best answer to my OP (be it a question, thought or plain musing).
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 11:45:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/12/03 19:48:08
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No, it is open to anyone to decide that. BTW a thread has no ownership. It belongs to the forum. Each post belongs to the poster that posted it. Often when someone  puts +1 in a post its a form of agreement and liking a post. That has been going on for ever. I have often said similar things about a post. At no time has anyone objected.




I understand what you are saying John up to a point but you are not talking about a +1 when you mark a post as best answer .
As far as I know , a +1 is considered marking a post as helpful 
To my understanding once a post has gotten the best answer tag regardless of who tagged it …that's it .
Has that tag now become unchangeable for the duration of the thread ?  Yes ? or No ? 
 
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 11:55:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/12/03 12:10:25
I agree that a host should be able to post their opinion on any post in a thread but if the tagging of a post as "best answer" removes that prospect from the OP then that act appears to be a bit extreme. 
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 11:59:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/12/03 19:48:19
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No, it is open to anyone to decide that. BTW a thread has no ownership. It belongs to the forum. Each post belongs to the poster that posted it. Often when someone  puts +1 in a post its a form of agreement and liking a post. That has been going on for ever. I have often said similar things about a post. At no time has anyone objected.




I understand what you are saying John up to a point but you are not talking about a +1 when you mark a post as best answer .
As far as I know , a +1 is considered marking a post as helpful 
To my understanding once a post has gotten the best answer tag regardless of who tagged it …that's it .
Has that tag now become unchangeable for the duration of the thread ?  Yes ? or No ? 
 
Kenny
 
 
 
 
 


Kenny see my post just above yours.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 12:04:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/12/03 19:48:25
how a host would know, unless it's a copy/paste from the manual, what the best answer is, i'm not sure?

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 12:11:08 (permalink)
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Thing I've noticed with Sonar problems, is it seems to be the same people all the time. They don't just have a bit of a bug or glitch one time, but every month there's some problem.

Now it seems to be that there is also a huge group of folks who don't have any serious issues and only an occassional well known problem that gets fixed pretty quickly.

This all tells me that there are folks who just don't know computers as well as they think and their systems aren't as well put together as they think. Under those conditions it's easy for a program to show up deficiencies in a PC. I know because I've been there.

It's easy to blame Cakewalk, but how could it be possible that it's such a bad program considering that the greater number of users, by far, have little or no problems with Sonar.



Couldn't agree more
 

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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 12:13:26 (permalink)
It is possible that OP marked that post as Best Answer. John seems to have just posted that he thinks that's the best answer.
 
However, and I know John to be reasonable enough to accept this as being the positive/constructive observation it is, if he did mark it as Best Answer using host powers... well I gotta agree that should be left to the OP.
 
I didn't even realize hosts could do that but just for the sake of keeping people happy they probably shouldn't. The Helpful button is more appropriate.
 
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 12:16:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2015/12/03 14:42:32
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It is possible that OP marked that post as Best Answer. John seems to have just posted that he thinks that's the best answer.
 
However, and I know John to be reasonable enough to accept this as being the positive/constructive observation it is, if he did mark it as Best Answer using host powers... well I gotta agree that should be left to the OP.
 
I didn't even realize hosts could do that but just for the sake of keeping people happy they probably shouldn't. The Helpful button is more appropriate.
 
JMO for what it's worth... which really isn't much (nor should it be).
 
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Hover your mouse over the upper right hand corner Best Answer icon and you should see a "tool tip" that says "by John - 13 hours ago".
 
Same is true for the orange Helpful icon in the same position on other posts.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December 2015/12/03 12:20:32 (permalink)
Yeah, that's the way I understood it too, Beeps - that John simply considered it the best answer, in his opinion.   As far as the "Best Answer" tag, well, that is a different story..
 

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