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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/03 14:09:54
stevec Yeah, that's the way I understood it too, Beeps - that John simply considered it the best answer, in his opinion. As far as the "Best Answer" tag, well, that is a different story..
IMO, that's not another story. He considered it Best Answer and he used his "extended" powers to mark it Best Answer. Again, only the OP or mods/admin/hosts have the Best Answer link in a thread. I was host for a short while and therefore I know this to be true.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 12:25:32
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That was essentially my meaning of "different story", Baps.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 12:26:51
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stevec That was essentially my meaning of "different story", Baps. 
Yeah, we cool.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 12:30:58
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bapu Hover your mouse over the upper right hand corner Best Answer icon and you should see a "tool tip" that says "by John - 13 hours ago". Same is true for the orange Helpful icon in the same position on other posts.
lol... I had no idea that was there. I thought the Helpful thingie was anon. Kind of cool (but a little creepy). In that case, as I said, hosts should probably refrain from that if only to keep from upsetting people unnecessarily. John knows I'm not one to slag just to slag and hopefully he'll take it as the friendly "criticism" I intended it to be. Cheers.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/12/03 14:02:17
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ArcRex In my opinion, Platinum was a great choice for 2015. Though many of the new features I have not used, I think that they added a lot of value to the DAW. I am sure I will pay sometime in 2016, but I will wait for a gotta have moment (which comes too frequently). I am sure many will do the same. Cakewalk has to expect this and is bound to have plans to get us on board. I think Cakewalk's subscription is effectively Cakewalk gambling on theirselves. So far, I think they are winning, but I think the stakes keep getting higher. I hope they keep winning.
This is the best answer I have read on this thread.
You know what John , I honestly wish you did not determine that this was the best answer to a thread you yourself did not start . As a courtesy to the OP who started this thread in the first place , should that not be the OP's right and decision ? Kenny
The OP already gave his opinions on the thread, which is something I wish OP's would do more often. His comment "What I have learned most from this thread is that we all have a unique purpose for this DAW which drives what decision we make" may seem obvious, but it's not. I believe this is particularly true with SONAR, which can be used for so many different applications. As to judging other posts, I think that's fair game and adds to a thread's value. I don't see anything wrong with someone giving a "thumbs up" to someone else's post...especially when you have a thread this long, and people might be skimming it looking for "nuggets." It's all good.
It is my honest opinion that ArcRex's post is very well written , and it conveyed a very positive uplifting message . I'm cool with all of that . +1 , as you have stated " It's all good "  For the record , I don't have my cannons loaded , I'm not out looking to hunt bear , be an online bad a$$ or derail anything here in this thread . I came here to this thread with one objective in mind and now it seems I have two . In brief , exactly one year ago when Cakewalk was in the process of changing everything about the way they do business and introducing the latest version of SONAR , I was in the process of moving . It took me a considerable amount of time to land . ( it took 8 months to get home internet , this also plays into why I haven't upgraded …) My primary objective and reason for participating in this thread in the first place has been to get an overall feel for how SONAR users feel about the changes that have taken place with SONAR and the current business model of the past year . As a SONAR user myself , I came here to mine "nuggets " Having the money to upgrade hasn't been the issue for me . I already have chosen that I will upgrade , it is the when to do that upgrade that has me concerned ….. sorry to go OT here , The main issue over here at this point is , does it make the best sense for me to upgrade and install my upgrade on my Win 8 machine that needs some house cleaning as it is ? or do I just go Win 10 on that machine and do my upgrade and start with a fresh start ? To help acquaint myself w Win 10 I picked up a Win 10 machine that would not be able to run SONAR so I can play it safe and get an idea of what to do …
back to topic I feel there is a lot of valuable information in this thread . I enjoyed your contributions , the OP's , jbows and a number of other peoples contributions . All these collective nuggets of experience and wisdom that have been stated here I happen to value as a SONAR user . I'm just trying to find my own way and make the right choices . in other topic related news , I do know that a lot of people here hold you in very high esteem  for the record I also have a tremendous amount of respect for you . As it is , we all know that you have done so much valuable work over the course of your prolific music career . Many of us here benefit greatly from your desire to impart your love and knowledge of music and music production. IMHO I feel you are a giver and you give so freely . FWIW I also hold the ideal of leaving a place , a person or a thing much better off than when I have found it .. I'm perfectly OK running the smokestack a little bit over here , there is no doubt in my mind that you have certainly earned it I'm gonna ask you a question , and before I do , I want you to know that I am not trying to be deceitful , manipulative ….or angling like a troll …just asking . I know that you have complemented a well written post here and there and encouraged people in their journey . What do you think would happen within this community if you started handing out "best posts " in threads here on the forum ? Because of who you are , do you think that it would it bring up some sort of competition ? Craig , I hope I'm not coming off from a place that offends or I shouldn't be coming from , my apologies in advance if I have . Kenny
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 13:51:13
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I will continue to post in threads about what I think is a good post in my own way. However it never occurred to me that there would be any objection to marking a post as best answer. I wont do it again. I went back and rescinded the best answer and made it helpful.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 13:53:31
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John I will continue to post in threads about what I think is a good post in my own way. However it never occurred to me that there would be any objection to marking a post as best answer. I wont do it again.
I would hope no one would ever object to you posting your support of another post as the "best answer" in your opinion. Locking the OP out of that option (on the OPs thread) was my only concern.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 13:59:28
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John I will continue to post in threads about what I think is a good post in my own way. However it never occurred to me that there would be any objection to marking a post as best answer. I wont do it again. I went back and rescinded the best answer and made it helpful.
Yer a good cat, John. Don't think anyone (reasonable) would begrudge you your opinion. Just the BA button thingie might be best left up to the OP. Take care, dude.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 14:07:01
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I went a little overboard there and should not have marked it best answer. It is redundant anyway. I just wanted the poster to know at least one member thought highly of the post.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 14:44:04
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John I will continue to post in threads about what I think is a good post in my own way. However it never occurred to me that there would be any objection to marking a post as best answer. I wont do it again. I went back and rescinded the best answer and made it helpful.
John , In hindsight ,I should have used more restraint of tongue and pen in the post that challenged your role as a mod . If my actions of making a confrontational type of statement on a public forum questioning the role and boundaries of a forum moderator have caused you any level of emotional distress I am truly sorry . I wish I could take it back . I sincerely hope you understand that I happen to respect you as a human being first and foremost . It was not my intention to attack you as a person on any level what so ever . I happen to value your opinion and your unbridled right to express it any way you chose . You have helped me out a number of times over the years . The times you did offer your help , I was grateful that you took the time to reach out to me Kenny
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 14:59:26
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Well, this thread has sure taken a positive turn!
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 15:14:04
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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☄ Helpfulby robert_e_bone 2015/12/06 01:40:58
Anderton Then hobbyists who are watching budgets super-carefully shouldn't buy more costly software that's designed for hardcore professional users who make a living off of it. They can buy SONAR Artist, or Music Creator, get a bundled version of an LE program with an interface, or whatever rather than complain about paying the price for pro-level equipment. Similarly, this is why Fender makes Squier guitars, Gibson makes Epiphone, and Porsche makes Volkswagens. As one can easily record a huge hit using some cheap Epi, Squire or similar, in the same way a person can create a masterpiece just using a budget DAW. Theoretically speaking, that is. ) Not sure about cars, but I know quite a few people, who own high grade guitars by Gibson, Fender and other respected brands. Some of them don't even own a car, some of them can't play guitar (at least professionally). Yet they keep on buying. There's an old joke "How many guitars does a guitarist need? - One more!". So when somebody buys a Gibson or a Fender he doesn't necessarily buy an instrument or a tool, but rather he buys a legend. When we compare modern DAWs to legendary equipment of the past, I believe we should not devalue old stuff, although it was a lot bulkier, expensive and much less flexible compared to a DAW. I believe, more emphasis should be put on marketing entry-level versions of Sonar. These gems are not poorman's SPlat. One can do almost anything using just Music Creator. When I've learned how great MC7 and Cakewalk support is I got an Artist version. But soon found out, that I need some features, that are Platinum only. Yes, I paid for 3 versions of Sonar while I need only 1, but that's how I discovered the value of Sonar. My point is, value is more important than a price tag. PS I'm not trying to argue with you, just sharing my thoughts.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 15:56:26
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Sheesh. What's a 5 page thread if there is no arguing?
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 16:25:06
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*smashes folding chair over bapu* Ooooh yeeeeeah!!! /Macho Man
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 17:14:23
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I have not read thru every post in the thread....but for those of us who make our living with software, I don't think $150 a year is that much of a cost for the benefits we get. Plus....it's totally tax deductible :) . OTOH...if music is a hobby...I can see where someone would rather buy the software...pay for it once...and just use it and not worry about updates if the software works for them.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 20:34:15
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/05 15:58:35
kennywtelejazz I wish I could take it back.
I don't! It's very cool to see someone who is not afraid to say what they think, but even more tellingly, is not afraid to change their opinion in the face of additional data or reflection. It sets a good example of how to interact, clarify intent, and solve problems. My opinion of you went up another notch after the way you handled this. Ditto John. Neither would have happened if you'd held your tongue.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/03 21:56:41
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Soundwise As one can easily record a huge hit using some cheap Epi, Squire or similar, in the same way a person can create a masterpiece just using a budget DAW. Theoretically speaking, that is.
This song was a huge hit a while back. No expensive instruments were harmed during its production.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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bapu Sheesh. What's a 5 page thread if there is no arguing?
they need to come down and check out our super secret 83 dollar renewal for a year thread... r maybe not
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2015/12/04 05:57:31
Thanks to this thread , I finally got off my butt and upgraded to SPlat …Whew what a ride Kenny
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2015/12/04 05:57:35
bapu What's a 5 page thread if there is no arguing? A one-page thread. I'll be re-subbing because I like my SONAR minty fresh.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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Teds_Studio I have not read thru every post in the thread....but for those of us who make our living with software, I don't think $150 a year is that much of a cost for the benefits we get. Plus....it's totally tax deductible :) . OTOH...if music is a hobby...I can see where someone would rather buy the software...pay for it once...and just use it and not worry about updates if the software works for them.
Tax deductible can you explain more on this please?
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/04 11:53:31
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Ham N Egz
bapu Sheesh. What's a 5 page thread if there is no arguing?
they need to come down and check out our super secret 83 dollar renewal for a year thread... r maybe not
I agree
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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Anderton Then hobbyists who are watching budgets super-carefully shouldn't buy more costly software that's designed for hardcore professional users who make a living off of it. They can buy SONAR Artist, or Music Creator, get a bundled version of an LE program with an interface, or whatever rather than complain about paying the price for pro-level equipment. Similarly, this is why Fender makes Squier guitars, Gibson makes Epiphone, and Porsche makes Volkswagens. Though with regards to hobbies, $150-200/year is peanuts for most of them. I mean think about a simple hobby for most people: watching TV. What's a cable subscription run you these days? Usually $50/month minimum, and it can easy hit $100/month or more with HD+expanded channels. That's $600-1200/year that most people pay without a thought. How about sports? Tickets to football at the university I work at (not pro here) start at $150/season for economy obstructed seating, go to $1200 for A section seats and up to $31,000 for priority premium skybox. Or perhaps you wish to take in a live show, The Royal Philharmonic Symphony is coming to town. Not really something all that popular with most people, so cheaper than some other shows. $45 minimum for the far seats, $100 for many seats for about a 2 hour show. I'm a pure hobbyist, and yet I get Platinum because I like it, and it really isn't that much money for a hobby. You can easy spend more than a couple hundred dollars on most hobbies. Now that isn't to say everyone needs to get Platinum, of course not, everyone's financial situation and needs are different. But let's not pretend like the asking price is problematic, even just for a hobby.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
2015/12/04 12:58:21
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John I will continue to post in threads about what I think is a good post in my own way. However it never occurred to me that there would be any objection to marking a post as best answer. I wont do it again. I went back and rescinded the best answer and made it helpful.
What a good example of graceful good character. Well done John. Everyone was respectful in a disagreement and no one got the "back up". The internets have really improved from the old HCGF days of the late 90s, lol. Seriously, this is a good example of how adults should act. What a class act this place is. Good thread! J
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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Sycraft
Anderton Then hobbyists who are watching budgets super-carefully shouldn't buy more costly software that's designed for hardcore professional users who make a living off of it. They can buy SONAR Artist, or Music Creator, get a bundled version of an LE program with an interface, or whatever rather than complain about paying the price for pro-level equipment. Similarly, this is why Fender makes Squier guitars, Gibson makes Epiphone, and Porsche makes Volkswagens. Though with regards to hobbies, $150-200/year is peanuts for most of them. I mean think about a simple hobby for most people: watching TV. What's a cable subscription run you these days? Usually $50/month minimum, and it can easy hit $100/month or more with HD+expanded channels. That's $600-1200/year that most people pay without a thought. How about sports? Tickets to football at the university I work at (not pro here) start at $150/season for economy obstructed seating, go to $1200 for A section seats and up to $31,000 for priority premium skybox. Or perhaps you wish to take in a live show, The Royal Philharmonic Symphony is coming to town. Not really something all that popular with most people, so cheaper than some other shows. $45 minimum for the far seats, $100 for many seats for about a 2 hour show. I'm a pure hobbyist, and yet I get Platinum because I like it, and it really isn't that much money for a hobby. You can easy spend more than a couple hundred dollars on most hobbies. Now that isn't to say everyone needs to get Platinum, of course not, everyone's financial situation and needs are different. But let's not pretend like the asking price is problematic, even just for a hobby.
Great point about paying for cable
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2015/12/05 03:55:26
BMOG Great point about paying for cable
Who has time to watch tv these days ? I cancelled my cable tv years ago since I only used it to watch the SuperBowl and get info on the latest natural or man-made disaster. I do have cable for the Internet, but without that I couldn't even run Sonar.
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Re: Platinum subscription ending in December
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I also dumped cable years ago, I spend all my time playing computer. However a great many people still have it, even if they don't watch much, and drop a few hundred to a grand a year doing so. Not a problem and I'd never tell someone they are wrong for it, but it can put hobby costs in perspective. I used it a lot when I'd play WoW. Someone would whine because their video card was overwhelmed and I'd suggest a $150ish replacement that would fix the issue. Invariably they complained that the cost was excessive, so I'd turn to cable TV. Ask them how much they played the game, if they had cable, and then do cost comparisons. IT was always surprising to me how many people would play WoW 10+ hours a week and yet consider $150 an "unreasonable" amount to spend on it, yet have a pretty expensive cable TV subscription.
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