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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 10:04:53
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backwoods Good point sylent- I agree. i had the same experience as you.
There's a lot wrong with the store. I hope things get fixed soon.
Not sure there's a lot wrong with the store but I agree that if you aren't logged in it might be confusing until you add it to the cart. We try to tell people that at the top of the page.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 10:36:51
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] Not sure there's a lot wrong with the store but I agree that if you aren't logged in it might be confusing until you add it to the cart. We try to tell people that at the top of the page.
Well, how about there's no way to get to the cart without buying something ? The first time around maybe, but if you then click [Continue shopping] and then want to checkout, there's nowhere to go ! You have to buy something else and then delete it from the cart. You find this normal ?
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 10:39:24
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I'm not sure about Rapture Pro, I guess I'll get it but personally, I like Dim Pro a lot better than Rapture. I enjoy using a realistic sounding sample of a real instrument a whole lot better than some strange synth sound. The demo clip with the pitch changes really put me off. I guess I am behind the times. I hope there is as much DIM Pro in it as there is Rapture. I guess I'll find out. J
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 13:20:06
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Quick Q's: - Is it single or double click in the browser to select a preset?
- Can you navigate the preset list with the QWERTY keyboard?
- The "2 click MIDI mapping" mode...does that only apply to performance mode, or can you switch to another part of the UI...or even another part of SONAR entirely and have it persist?
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 13:28:48
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] Rapture Pro will not be included in SONAR but you do have a new Drum Replacer to look forward to in the coming months. It will be along the lines of other drum replacement tools but fully integrated in SONAR for even more convenience.
Sorry to voice my disappointment that it will not be included in any of the subscription packages. The only reason I paid for the subscription was with the incentive that product upgrades were part of the subscription. Rapture and Dimension Pro are both included products in the Professional and Platinum subscription levels. This is a product "upgrade" to those already included products. For you to say it is not included is infuriating to me as I was dubious of the subscription model to begin with. Thank you for bringing my fears to fruition.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 13:41:40
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jbow I enjoy using a realistic sounding sample of a real instrument a whole lot better than some strange synth sound. The demo clip with the pitch changes really put me off. I guess I am behind the times. J
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 13:46:40
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I sure wish we could be installing this weekend ...
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 15:06:17
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jbow I'm not sure about Rapture Pro, I guess I'll get it but personally, I like Dim Pro a lot better than Rapture. I enjoy using a realistic sounding sample of a real instrument a whole lot better than some strange synth sound. The demo clip with the pitch changes really put me off. I guess I am behind the times. I hope there is as much DIM Pro in it as there is Rapture. I guess I'll find out. J
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 15:23:24
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Yikes... that link wasn't what I wanted to hear. A little less "teaser" and a lot more "rubber meets the road" please.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 15:43:17
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Just watched the two videos that Andrew posted above. The new windows do look good, and potentially useful for everyday use. Like others I have used DimPro way more than Rapture, though I like both, so I am curious to see how some of the new features will work with ROMpler type sounds. Could be very interesting...
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 16:16:26
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Paul P
paulo Hmmph........so much for the advantages of membership............
I don't recall any mention of getting reductions on new products with membership.
Well, it isn't really a new product as such is it ? Just a rework of existing synths, but anyway it was meant as a joke to Andrew because they extended the originally listed "membership discount" to everyone because people were saying it wasn't fair if it's a seperate product, hence the cheeky chappie face.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 17:10:50
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backwoods Good point sylent- I agree. i had the same experience as you.
There's a lot wrong with the store. I hope things get fixed soon.
Not sure there's a lot wrong with the store but I agree that if you aren't logged in it might be confusing until you add it to the cart. We try to tell people that at the top of the page.
Not really anything wrong with it. This applies to many threads, but we as users need to keep in mind that there is a lot to manage and deal with when upgrading and adding to websites, and the bigger and more links and interactivity the worse it gets. Takes time to iron out the bugs and make it work right, either live or sandbox. For every page you see there are 10 pages of code basically. The time you visit and browser cache can also affect what the user sees and when. Way to many things to manage to even list, and on top is trying to make it work for everyone, when you can only focus on majority, blah blah. And users don't always realize that usually the systems are all separate modules that work together, but must be managed separately as well as together. It takes time to smooth out bumps and fill dings. Please also realize that CW is one of only a few that don't make us wait any longer than they have to, they try their best to keep users in the loop when they can.... most decide it all, do it all, then tell it all. Being a part of the process is great to me, as a independent developer or user, but it raises some problems for them, not to mention complaints, questions and concerns. Maybe we need to keep this in mind, especially when it's obvious they are trying to please us all, and are updating fast and furiously on many levels! Props to Cakewalk for what they all do, including the hosts and mods! Now it does reflect "your price" prior to the cart when signed in btw. 521
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Paul P
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 17:30:30
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I must say, I really like the looks of this instrument. Makes me want a real physical machine just like it, and all four of them. It's too bad thad it has to reside within a Windows window with the generic plugin border. Kind of spoils the effect. I guess Cakewalk realizes this too, since the product page and the videos show it without the window. Makes you realize just how ugly it is the have the Windows frame around everything, especially plugins that have such a nice 3-d look to them. Is there any way to get rid of the window frame ? Or maybe Sonar could show plugins without the frame and have a popup menu and small overlaid buttons to reduce and close.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 17:38:35
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sylent This applies to many threads, but we as users need to keep in mind that there is a lot to manage and deal with when upgrading and adding to websites, and the bigger and more links and interactivity the worse it gets. Takes time to iron out the bugs and make it work right, either live or sandbox.
Five months to add a Cart button ? In an online store ?
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 18:26:24
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Paul P
sylent This applies to many threads, but we as users need to keep in mind that there is a lot to manage and deal with when upgrading and adding to websites, and the bigger and more links and interactivity the worse it gets. Takes time to iron out the bugs and make it work right, either live or sandbox.
Five months to add a Cart button ? In an online store ? With all respect to you, I don't know about specifics, I was speaking in general. This is my first purchase since upgrading to plat on day one or two, and did see the change from "sign up to be notified" and "pre-order" on RapPro, and that the "your price" didn't display in Firefox at least until I went back in to look out of curiosity ..... but I can understand your frustration and others. I've just personally been on both sides of the fence is all. :) 536
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 19:49:04
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sylent I've just personally been on both sides of the fence is all. :)
I understand and apologize for putting my frustration in your lap. It had nothing to do with you.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 20:14:37
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] Part 2 (Instrument Page): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwRvpQ1bpuo
Excellent videos. Keep 'em coming! I am just wondering if consideration was given to allowing custom sliders in the section as well as knobs. (the position of sliders would be easier and quicker to see than knob position - especially when performing on stage) Also, when viewing the 8 custom macro knobs, I found myself wondering 8 is would actually be enough considering the plerthora of parameters that could potentially be assigned.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 20:49:32
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I may be one of the few to say this out loud, but I really like the music in the demos. Really creative and listenable.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 20:52:38
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sylent I've just personally been on both sides of the fence is all. :)
I understand and apologize for putting my frustration in your lap. It had nothing to do with you. Oh I know brother, and I didn't take it that way at all! It's all discussion and sometimes frustration is just part of that with all us human-beans. I seriously appreciate it, but no apology necessary. :) 553
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 21:04:55
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 21:24:49
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gswitz I may be one of the few to say this out loud, but I really like the music in the demos. Really creative and listenable.
Agree. Also. as RP Pro can use DP and RP patches, you can still get the "real" instrument samples as well....
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 21:52:48
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☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2015/04/25 12:10:05
guitloud Sorry to voice my disappointment that it will not be included in any of the subscription packages. The only reason I paid for the subscription was with the incentive that product upgrades were part of the subscription. Rapture and Dimension Pro are both included products in the Professional and Platinum subscription levels. This is a product "upgrade" to those already included products. For you to say it is not included is infuriating to me as I was dubious of the subscription model to begin with. Thank you for bringing my fears to fruition.
Dimension Pro and Rapture were originally sold as separate instruments apart from SONAR. They were introduced in 2006, and the first Cakewalk instruments sold for the Mac as well as Windows. When they reached their twilight they were included in SONAR. Dimension Pro became part of SONAR with version 8.0 and the full version of Rapture with X1 IIRC. If you think the subscription program has not brought a raft of product upgrades of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I think it is an extremely difficult opinion to justify. As pointed out in a different thread we are through 16% of the year's membership. There is 84% more to go, on top of the upgrade from X3 to where SONAR was when the new version was released in late January. Look at what was included in the first two releases. I do not know of any other DAW that has released that many new features, fixes, enhancements, and content within 60 days after the release of a new version. To think Rapture Pro accommodating the architecture of previous instruments somehow makes it simply a cosmetic change from what came before fails to realize that Cakewalk spent a lot of effort making sure that it would be compatible with the investment users had made in libraries and the learning curve for Dimension Pro and Rapture, as well as with programs and samples they had produced over the years. In addition to being compatible with those two synthesizers, there are new modes, a new browser, new page organization, at least a doubling of the sample library, and presets designed by pro sound designers like Justin Lassen, whose work for Sony is well known. And, there's the whole Performance element. Sure, Cakewalk could have factored in the cost of updates to all their products into the cost of membership. Then people would have whined that the price was too high. Not everybody wants their membership to pay for instruments. There are plenty of SONAR users who have Komplete, or Omnisphere, or whatever. They want - and paid for, and have been receiving - updates to SONAR. To dismiss Rapture Pro as simply putting two instruments together, and therefore requiring an upgrade to instruments that were never even a part of the original SONAR, seems unrealistic to me. Cakewalk has been working on this instrument for at least two years. It is not some minor update they can just give away for free to people who received Dimension Pro and Rapture late in their product cycles, as freebies bundled with SONAR.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 22:01:03
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Anderton Dimension Pro and Rapture . . . When they reached their twilight . . . Blasphemy . . . The sun still shines for me . . . I just wish they would release it so as I can get my grubby little hands on it, the wait is killing me, soooo looking forward to this, and so grateful for the great price, I recon it's a steal.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 22:07:17
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Anderton Dimension Pro and Rapture . . . When they reached their twilight . . .
Blasphemy . . . The sun still shines for me . . .
LOL! I still use Rapture all the time...I was always surprised at how many more people used Dimension Pro compared to Rapture. When I was doing the Rapture expansion packs, Andrew always wondered why I didn't do packs for Dimension Pro because the market was so much bigger. But I make stuff for myself, and I liked Rapture better although I used Dimension Pro as well. So I'm real happy with the idea of Rapture Pro - that I not only get to keep what was cool about Rapture, but can apply "Rapture thinking" to Dimension Pro sounds. Hopefully it will be more stable as well. Personally, I think Cakewalk made the right choice to create a new instrument instead of apply more band-aids to the old ones.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 22:30:28
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Yes, and the backwards compatibility with the original sounds and expansions is a HUGE plus, I was so happy when I read that.
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 22:46:55
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Anderton Dimension Pro and Rapture . . . When they reached their twilight . . .
I just wish they would release it so as I can get my grubby little hands on it, the wait is killing me, soooo looking forward to this, and so grateful for the great price, I reckon it's a steal.
Here Here! I wish I could download it now so that it's included in this months download quota..... (yes, some people still have finite data quotas) The only thing I am worried about is that I am easily distracted... and Rapture Pro looks like it's going to be a big distraction!
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 23:19:13
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I have a dozen expansion packs for Dim Pro and 4 for rapture. Yeah, I like the fact that I can bring those up another level with Rap Pro. Can call it Rap Pro?
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/24 23:34:37
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musichoo Can call it Rap Pro?
Yeah, just don't call it Rat Poo I just pre ordered, I think to make myself feel like it's a bit closer :|
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Re: Rapture Pro Announced
2015/04/25 04:31:18
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One of the expansion packs for Rapture I purchased through Cake - Universal - would always crash Rap after trialing a few of the presets. Cake Support could not explain why nor would they offer a refund as it was the only expansion doing this. I hope that Rap Pro doesn't have the same issue with it.
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