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Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
Expected Results
Adjusting the Prochannel knobs by clicking dragging should be smooth and not get intermittently stuck. It should also have the ability to adjust with mouse scroll.
Actual Results
Clicking and dragging to adjust Prochannel EQ knobs creates knob freezes, and inconsistent behavior. It also is not possible using the mouse scroll wheel which as a result renders the Prochannel EQ operation very frustrating and intermittently useless and thus forcing me to use the Nomad factory EQ which knobs does drags consistently.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 12, 15 10:06 AM
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Hi FM sorry to hear you are experiencing these problems, any chance of some system details, i.e CPU, Ram, Graphics card, OS, SONAR version inc. patch, Sound card and driver details these would help in the process of possibly resolving your problems or ratifying a potential bug.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 12, 15 3:58 PM
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Hello Wookie, thanks for offering help. SystemSonar X3 Studio (E) Win 8.1 (64 Bit) 4 Gigs Ram Intel Core i3 Attached is GIF (using Licecap GIF) to show the prochannel knobs getting stuck and stuttering. This happen to all the knobs in the knobs in the Prochannel EQ. Not sure if this happens in other prochannel modules as well. 
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 13, 15 1:34 PM
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What sound card are you using and what driver, how many cores does the i3 have and what speed is it running at?
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 13, 15 2:10 PM
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I am using an USB mic with ASIOALL. The knobs though have difficulty no matter what sound card is activated.
The processor has two cores running above 3 GHz.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 13, 15 3:37 PM
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PS..I checked how much my CPU usage is during that event and its below 20%. I am really non-plussed about this knob freezing. It seems others cant reproduce it?
post edited by FM - January 13, 15 3:48 PM
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 15, 15 12:39 AM
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Does the mouse work OK on other aspects of the program, I am wondering if you have a problem with the mouse. As for ASIO4all you do realise that it is just a wrapper that is in truth running WDM/KS but looks like ASIO to any software talking to it. You may be better using the WDM/KS driver.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 15, 15 1:01 PM
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Are you using a display setting other than the default in the Windows Control Panel > Appearance and Personalization > Personalization > Display Settings?
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 15, 15 2:16 PM
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Wookiee
Does the mouse work OK on other aspects of the program, I am wondering if you have a problem with the mouse. As for ASIO4all you do realise that it is just a wrapper that is in truth running WDM/KS but looks like ASIO to any software talking to it. You may be better using the WDM/KS driver.
Thank you for the interest :) I am using a Logitech cordless keyboard and mouse. I will check if I can reproduce this with a wired mouse.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 15, 15 2:17 PM
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Are you using a display setting other than the default in the Windows Control Panel > Appearance and Personalization > Personalization > Display Settings?
Hi there Thank you for the interest:) I am using the native resolution on my monitor, i.o.w the recommended settings.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 15, 15 2:48 PM
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So the image is not scaled up any. I have seen what appear to be mouse issues reported when display settings were set to 150% in Win7. Don't have Win8.1 to test.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 18, 15 6:47 PM
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FM
I will check if I can reproduce this with a wired mouse.
Any news on this? Many thanks..
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 20, 15 5:58 PM
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This has been solved. Normally you left click on the knob and hold the mouse click to adjust, but this gave me the knob stutter behavior. How I solved this. (Different mouse click method) 1. Left click on knob as usual. 2. To adjust knob (don't hold in left click) but right click, hold and drag.
post edited by FM - January 20, 15 6:10 PM
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 20, 15 9:36 PM
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I am assuming this is a workaround, thanks for this...
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 20, 15 11:00 PM
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I am assuming this is a workaround, thanks for this...
It is a workaround.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
January 21, 15 11:30 AM
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I've had similar issues with logitech drivers. None with the windows ones, maybe that will help if that is indeed what you are using?
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
February 10, 15 1:55 PM
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Nobody has specifically reproduced the issue and no posts for 3 weeks now.
So throwing into Sonar forums to see if anybody else has it.
Note a workaround has been posted by the OP.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 03, 15 10:26 PM
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I can replicate this behaviour Splat
Nobody has specifically reproduced the issue and no posts for 3 weeks now.
So throwing into Sonar forums to see if anybody else has it.
Note a workaround has been posted by the OP.
I can Replicate the behaviour I have 4 Mice, 2 wired 2 wireless. I have no batteries form my Wireless, and is on my to do list today. On the 2 wired mice, right click can sometime be controlled in upward motions, but still tricky, but down causes a jump from max to zero, on both mice. Holding left click produces smooth predictable results. To use left click I have to select the control first with a right click, so I have to both buttons to use a control.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 03, 15 10:44 PM
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OK this is all controls for , Track, Track View inspector, Console. It's also the same if I use the touch pad on the laptop. Seems I use the scroll wheel more than I realised. Which I noticed the OP has a thread requesting this on the ProChannel, so maybe he does the same, uses the scroll wheel where posible because he can't control them with mouse movements http://forum.cakewalk.com...l-Wheels-m3143516.aspx Workaround, touchscreen 
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 03, 15 11:02 PM
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Set Windows to touchpad when usb pointer plugged in, in case there was a conflict with two devices at one. No change.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 04, 15 8:09 AM
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Tried my two wireless and I get the same symptoms across all of them (the 2 wireless are Logitech and a Genius, and the two wired ones are less known brands).
post edited by Kamikaze - March 04, 15 8:16 AM
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 04, 15 8:21 AM
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Something very similar can happen if the EQ plot resolution is set to Auto. It automatically scales the boost or cut to fit within the window when you change the amount. I always set the EQ to +/- 6 or 12 dB to avoid this. It's under Display > Module Options at the bottom of the Inspector.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 04, 15 8:58 AM
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...maybe you could use ACT to control
rotaries with the mouse wheel?
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 04, 15 9:14 AM
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Changed it from 18 to 12 to test as it wasn't on Auto, but no change
This is more than just EQ, it's pretty much everything
Console Fader - Faulty
Console Pan - Faulty
Console Send - Faulty
Console Gain - Faulty
ProChannel Console emulator - Drive - Good (Note this one does not show a white square boundary when selecting)
ProChannel Console emulator - Trim - Good (Note this one does not show a white square boundary when selecting)
ProChannel Tube Input - Faulty
ProChannel Tube Drive - Faulty
ProChannel Tube Output - Faulty
ProChannel EQ HP or LP - Faulty
ProChannel EQ HP or LP slope - Faulty
ProChannel EQ Band Frequency - Faulty
ProChannel EQ Band Q - Faulty
ProChannel EQ Band level - Faulty
ProChannel EQ HP or LP - Faulty
Flyout ProChannel EQ HP or LP slope - Faulty (Note grabbing the node points and moving works fine)
Flyout ProChannel EQ Band Frequency - Faulty (Note grabbing the node points and moving works fine)
Flyout ProChannel EQ Band Q - Faulty
Flyout ProChannel EQ Band level - Faulty
Prochannel Compressor (Input, Attack, Release and Output)
Prochannel Breverb Time/Size/Diffusion/Shape/Spread/High - Good (Note this one does not show a white square boundary when selecting)
Prochannel Breverb Dry/Wet faders - Good (Note this one does not show a white square boundary when selecting)
Prochannel Bark of the dog Mix/Frequency/Amplitude - Good (Note this one does not show a white square boundary when selecting)
ProChannel BOZ +10dB Comp All Controls Good - (Note this one does not show a white square boundary when selecting)
ProChannel BOZ +10dB EQ All Controls Good - (Note this one does not show a white square boundary when selecting)
ProChannel Tape Emulator All Controls Good - (Note this one does not show a white square boundary when selecting)
Track View Pan/Gain/Reverb/Send Pan - Faulty
Ok that's enough the pattern seems the same. The controls that DO NOT have a four white corners when selecting, WORK. The controls the DO have the four white corners when selecting, are Temperamental, the main thing I observe, is that with concentrated effort that sometime I can move in a positive direction (Rotation), but negative movements cause a jump. The Non Prochannel controls that are temperamental with the mouse, work well with the scroll wheel, but the ProChannel options don't allow the scroll wheel.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 04, 15 10:20 AM
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Thanks Kamikaze.
It seems others have the same problem, and I hope it can be resolved.
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 04, 15 10:47 AM
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Can you confirm FM, do you get jumpy control movements on the control movements on the control only surrounded by for white corners when selected. Be it Track View/Inspector, Console or ProChannel view. VST and Non Cakewalk Pro Channel modules do not create the four white corners when selected and behave fine. Everything except Pro Channel can use the scroll wheel and the scroll wheel is fine (where it is an option).
In Pro Channel do the following work with the mouse (Does not highlights with 4 white corners);
Console Emulator
BreVerb
Bark of the Dog
Boz +10DB Compressor (you may not have this)
Boz +10DB EQ (you may not have this)
Rematrix Solo
Saturation Knob
Tape Emulator
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and the following do not work (Highlights with 4 white corners);
Tube
Pro EQ
Compressor
FX Chains
ALSO, do you use a laptop or a Desktop?
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 04, 15 11:02 AM
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I wish I could check the others but I only have two Pro-channel modules. (Sonar 3X Studio).
My system is a desktop (4 Gig Ram, Windows 8.1, Duel Core Intel processor) with a Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard. (Logitech K220)
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 04, 15 11:12 AM
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FM
This has been solved.
Normally you left click on the knob and hold the mouse click to adjust, but this gave me the knob stutter behavior.
How I solved this. (Different mouse click method)
1. Left click on knob as usual.
2. To adjust knob (don't hold in left click) but right click, hold and drag.
Forgot you wrote this too, despite testing in and seeing that it works for me too. BUT it only works for the ProEQ, in both the Pro Channel and the Flyout, not for anything else that is marked by 4 white corners (in track view/Inspector, Console or ProChannel) This is what I mean by four white corners 
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Re: Prochannel Knobs Stuck and Difficult to Adjust
March 04, 15 11:13 AM
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What's the other Pro Channel module you have?
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