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2017/11/21 15:56:16 (permalink)

RIP Cakewalk

GIBSON BRANDS ANNOUCEMENT REGARDING CAKEWALK, INC.

Gibson Brands announced today that it is ceasing active development and production of Cakewalk branded products. The decision was made to better align with the company’s acquisition strategy that is heavily focused on growth in the global consumer electronics audio business under the Philips brand.
Cakewalk has been an industry leader in music software for over 25 years by fusing cutting-edge technology with creative approaches to tools that create, edit, mix, and publish music for professional and amateur musicians. Gibson Brands acquired Cakewalk in 2013.
Gibson Brands, a growing company in the music and sound industries, was founded in 1894 and is headquartered in Nashville, Tennessee. Gibson Brands is a global leader in musical instruments, consumer electronics, and professional audio, and is dedicated to bringing the finest experiences to consumers by offering exceptional products with world- recognized brands.

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:03:24 (permalink)
I hope the forum is safe, especially the Coffee House... I'd kinda miss this place.

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:05:15 (permalink)
+1, this has been a cool place to hang out for the last 10 years or so.

 
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:07:40 (permalink)
The mods said that all the servers would continue to operate.  I hope that is true!

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:11:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2017/11/21 16:31:30
What does that actually mean? Gibson has never developed Cakewalk products in the engineering sense, but perhaps their definition of "develop" refers to marketing. If that's the case, then Gibson hasn't ever really done much for CW in that regard.
 
"Production" is a scarier word. Again, Gibson has never produced Cakewalk products, Cakewalk has. If it means ceasing sales then that's a problem. I would expect that a likelier route is they'll seek a buyer. Gibson is already rated as "junk" by Moody's due to their financial problems. It's normal for a company in trouble to shift focus back to their core strengths and concentrate on their highest-margin best-sellers, and software has never been a logical fit for a guitar company. Software is rarely a good fit for a hardware manufacturer.
 
 


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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:13:22 (permalink)
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:14:19 (permalink)
I take it to mean 'we're not funding Cakewalk to develop anything new'.
 
 

 
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:18:50 (permalink)
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I take it to mean 'we're not funding Cakewalk to develop anything new'.
 
 


that's what I read it as.  in other words - no more lifetime updates...as we were promised.  
 
 
and since the Cakewalk company is owned by Gibson, then when they say "we plan no further development" they mean Cakewalk will no longer receive budget from Gibson to develop new code.  It *could* also mean they have fired the development team or given them notice since they have no budget for their jobs.
 
"...and production" means they will no longer be "producing" anything under the cakewalk brand.  if there were physical CDs/DVDs then the current ones will likely be sold at a huge discount (or possibly destroyed) and they will no longer sell cakewalk downloads or physical CDs/DVDs at retailers.  

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:22:00 (permalink)
Which likely means the end of the road. It would be an odd statement to issue if they were looking to sell Cakewalk.

 
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:23:55 (permalink)
Ah well... The money I splashed out on Lifetime updates is gone... And, in the grand scheme of things, most of my money had gone into my plug-ins, not SONAR.
 
Let's hope that we at least are able to continue using SONAR, in its current form for some time to come.

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:24:51 (permalink)
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Which likely means the end of the road. It would be an odd statement to issue if they were looking to sell Cakewalk.


agreed.  cakewalk is VERY small potatoes in the company.  selling cake wouldn't make a dent in their debt.  it'd be easier for them to just shut it down.

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:25:36 (permalink)
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2017/11/21/gibson-ceases-development-of-cakewalk-products/
 
Quotes Noel as saying monthly updates will cease.
 
Here's Cakewalk's official statement, and here is Gibson's statement.


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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:28:13 (permalink)
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http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2017/11/21/gibson-ceases-development-of-cakewalk-products/
 
Quotes Noel as saying monthly updates will cease.
 
Here's Cakewalk's official statement, and here is Gibson's statement.


 
Yep, Noel's said it in the sticky upstairs.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...uncement-m3687511.aspx

 
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:29:14 (permalink)
I saw this thread first then I went upstairs to see what was mentioned up there
Here's what Noel posted upstairs
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Cakewalk-Announcement-m3687511.aspx
 
I will hold my thoughts to myself for a moment and sit with what this brings up ..
 
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:30:32 (permalink)
Oh boy you have to be fast around here  both Bit and James beat me to it 
 
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:36:43 (permalink)
Sad news for sure although completely predictable. A lot of good people tried to keep the flame lit but in my opinion, when Greg Hendershott stepped aside, it marked the beginning of the end. They just couldn't make the jump from a midi focused product to an advanced audio type product to keep up with many of their competitors. I still have a fond place in my heart however for their early products which were invaluable early in the digital game. 

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:46:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby drewfx1 2017/11/21 17:59:23
between us we have to save this forum
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:49:40 (permalink)
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between us we have to save this forum


 
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 16:50:54 (permalink)
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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 17:08:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby daryl1968 2017/11/21 17:09:23
If this one shuts down, we could prolly find an existing forum somewhere with a kitchen we can sit in

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 17:15:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/11/21 17:53:16
A couple of thoughts after reading the official statements.
 
The sentence regarding "a team during the transition". That's lawyer speak for "we are shutting this whole thing down in the near future". I take that to mean all online support for the product, including this forum will be cease to exist in the near future. It's just a fact of corporate business in today's climate. Right or wrong, they care not about this forum or this product any longer.
 
Best prepare yourself if you rely on the product for income. As for the forums, they will cease to exist unless a member or member group can negotiate with Cakewalk/Gibson to take it over and import it into a private server and then administrate it and handle the cost.
 
Now, having said this, it's remotely possible an entity could step forward a buy Cakewalk from Gibson. I would imagine that Gibson has put out feelers to likely interested parties and found no takers prior to today's announcement.
 
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds, but if were to bet on it, this will all be a fond memory sooner rather than later.
 

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 17:30:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/11/21 17:53:21
Surely it would be in Gibson's interest to to find a buyer, even at a very low price, there may be hope yet. 
 
I am not panicking yet but I guess it may be prudent to start investigating other DAWs and making sure I have WAV stems and MIDI files of my projects in-case Microsoft kill Sonar in a Windows update at some point.

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 17:57:43 (permalink)
I value Cakewalk much more than Gibson.
If Gibson shuts down Cakewalk (instead of selling it), I'll boycott Gibson.
 
I understand there's a business decision in there that I don't have visibility into, but as a consumer the company has made a decision that negatively affects me.  In a big way, since this is the only DAW i've ever invested time or money into - the learning curve to go to a competitor will be a big PITA.
 
As such, Gibson - you suck.

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 18:05:29 (permalink)
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A couple of thoughts after reading the official statements.
 
The sentence regarding "a team during the transition". That's lawyer speak for "we are shutting this whole thing down in the near future". I take that to mean all online support for the product, including this forum will be cease to exist in the near future. It's just a fact of corporate business in today's climate. Right or wrong, they care not about this forum or this product any longer.
 
Best prepare yourself if you rely on the product for income. As for the forums, they will cease to exist unless a member or member group can negotiate with Cakewalk/Gibson to take it over and import it into a private server and then administrate it and handle the cost.
 
Now, having said this, it's remotely possible an entity could step forward a buy Cakewalk from Gibson. I would imagine that Gibson has put out feelers to likely interested parties and found no takers prior to today's announcement.
 
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds, but if were to bet on it, this will all be a fond memory sooner rather than later.
 




Unfortunately I think we think alike.
 
And I don't like to be a pessimist, but what's the upside for another buyer? If Sonar was raking in profits, then this wouldn't be happening. The only viable buyer would be a company that wanted to add a DAW to it's portfolio for some reason, but...
 
Honestly, having it go open source might be more viable, but Gibson would have to be the type to give away code for that to happen, so...
 
 


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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 18:14:34 (permalink)
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A couple of thoughts after reading the official statements.
 
The sentence regarding "a team during the transition". That's lawyer speak for "we are shutting this whole thing down in the near future". I take that to mean all online support for the product, including this forum will be cease to exist in the near future. It's just a fact of corporate business in today's climate. Right or wrong, they care not about this forum or this product any longer.
 
Best prepare yourself if you rely on the product for income. As for the forums, they will cease to exist unless a member or member group can negotiate with Cakewalk/Gibson to take it over and import it into a private server and then administrate it and handle the cost.
 
Now, having said this, it's remotely possible an entity could step forward a buy Cakewalk from Gibson. I would imagine that Gibson has put out feelers to likely interested parties and found no takers prior to today's announcement.
 
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds, but if were to bet on it, this will all be a fond memory sooner rather than later.
 




Unfortunately I think we think alike.
 
And I don't like to be a pessimist, but what's the upside for another buyer? If Sonar was raking in profits, then this wouldn't be happening. The only viable buyer would be a company that wanted to add a DAW to it's portfolio for some reason, but...
 
Honestly, having it go open source might be more viable, but Gibson would have to be the type to give away code for that to happen, so...
 
 



I believe they'd rather lock it up and shut it down than give the source out.  JMO

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 18:18:49 (permalink)
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I believe they'd rather lock it up and shut it down than give the source out.  JMO




Agreed, but the point is I don't find a new knight in shining armor type buyer willing to spend money to keep it afloat more likely. IOW, it's a really bad situation.

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 18:22:02 (permalink)
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As such, Gibson - you suck.


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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 18:23:07 (permalink)
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I believe they'd rather lock it up and shut it down than give the source out.  JMO




Agreed, but the point is I don't find a new knight in shining armor type buyer willing to spend money to keep it afloat more likely. IOW, it's a really bad situation.


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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 19:44:36 (permalink)
I think the writing has been on the wall for years now. When Cakewalk was essentially a boutique shop being run by the guys who wrote the code and answered the forum questions and the phones, it was a barely profitable business, but the guys in the shop made a paycheck and loved what they did.
 
Times were a little different back then. Talent becomes harder to retain when economic realities set in. So, to their credit, the founders made a couple of deals to their benefit. It's just smart business. They have families and responsibilities. Once the company started down that path, the company relied on a market that would expand in users. That hasn't been the case in the music software/equipment/instrument etc segment for awhile and there is no sign of that changing. Just a reality folks.
 
I look at it like this. I own my own company and I have employees whose success I care about because it directly affects my success. However, if a larger company were to come to me and make me an offer to buy my company that would drastically improve my family's financial situation and reward me for the work I've put into the business,......well show me the money!
 
While I'd try and secure my current employees positions within the new company, I wouldn't kill a deal over it. And if after selling my business, I'd hope that it succeeded for the new owner. But if not, I got mine. That's just business folks. There isn't any room for sentimentality in a business the size of Gibson. They have shareholders who they have a responsibility to and that is always the overriding concern in every decision they make.
 
I don't blame Gibson. I don't blame the Bakers or Roland. The reality is the music business has changed dramatically in the last 20 years. The only people making money that aren't performers are streaming services.
 
You want to blame somebody? Try Apple inc., Napster., Pandora, Youtube, etc.

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Re: RIP Cakewalk 2017/11/21 20:18:48 (permalink)
I freakin' knew that lifetime updates was too good to be true.........
 
 
 
 
 
 
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