Oh man, I tried a sh*tload of mics. I have to thumb through my snapshots just to remember them all. I do remember stopping at the SE booth, but I don't think SE was one of the brands I actually sung into, though. I think it was on the last day and I was picking up my pace. I would have liked to try out those mic baffles they sell.

I've decided my next mic purchase will definitely be a ribbon! I'll be posting some comments later this week on my NAMM thread.

Sorry for the topic-drift, downsouth! BTW, this was a reply to smoochy. It's his fault.

Great input from all thanks.

Im thinking a compromise here.....several now have suggested "switching my control room with the studio room" I cant really do that at this time, I use the studio for guitar students also....( I have to make money somehow haha)

Some are suggesting my current monitoring is too close to walls, since I face the 12'wall and that leaves less than 6 feet from my monitors to the wall behind me. So maybe reversing the monitor position to the short wall and have 12' feet behind me would help.....make sense? Dong this "would" put the outside window and the window to the studio to my left and right.
Id post a drawing, but it.s just a 12x6x8 rectangle, tile floor and suspended ceiling. I face the long side.

anyway since all have suggested bass traps in the corners....I will do that first and maybe move the montoring position to the other wall.

I understand the DIY panels with Corning insulation and wrapped in cloth or burlap are not Bass traps, but absorbers?..is this correct, or have I read the post incorrectly.

Jeff...the poor guy on this forum.

The idea behind the distance from the back wall is from how your brain processes information about the environment from the reflections.  Any reflection less than a minimum threshold of time is not perceived as a delay but combines with the direct sound as a type of distortion.   (Note: I can't remember the actual number of milliseconds of delay required to discern the reflection from the direct signal.  Maybe someone can remind me.  I only remember that my 14 ft room barely makes the grade.)

 I'm not talking square wave distortion in this case but a masking of the true sound coming out of the speakers by the combination of direct and reflected sound .

You want some amount of reflection to tell your brain about the listening environment you are in but you need to control the reflected sound and take out the reflections that are combining to influence your perception of what is present in your mix.  The back wall is always a good one to leave a little reflective because the sound from your monitors has to travel past your ears to the back wall and then reflect back to you.  In a properly sized  control room there will be enough delay for your brain to figure out that the sound is reflecting from the rear so disregard that information from the direct sound and use the sonic information as listening environment. 

So you absorb the reflections from the ceiling, side walls and the front wall and keep the reflections from the rear.  You trap the bass from all of the problem areas.  (Corners, centers of walls etc.)  The idea is to know what is coming out of the speakers and not off the walls.

All that said, then your mix gets played in a living room where the speakers are in a book shelf up against a reflective wall and you are sitting on a highly absorbent stuffed couch with your head less than a foot away from another reflective wall.

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downsouthstudio


Great input from all thanks.

Im thinking a compromise here.....several now have suggested "switching my control room with the studio room" I cant really do that at this time, I use the studio for guitar students also....( I have to make money somehow haha)

Some are suggesting my current monitoring is too close to walls, since I face the 12'wall and that leaves less than 6 feet from my monitors to the wall behind me. So maybe reversing the monitor position to the short wall and have 12' feet behind me would help.....make sense? Dong this "would" put the outside window and the window to the studio to my left and right.
Id post a drawing, but it.s just a 12x6x8 rectangle, tile floor and suspended ceiling. I face the long side.

anyway since all have suggested bass traps in the corners....I will do that first and maybe move the montoring position to the other wall.

I understand the DIY panels with Corning insulation and wrapped in cloth or burlap are not Bass traps, but absorbers?..is this correct, or have I read the post incorrectly.

Jeff...the poor guy on this forum.

DIY panels with corning rigid fibre are bass traps. They should be at least 150 mm in thickness and use use 705 glass fibre. The 705 should have FRK paper attached facing into the studio which will reflect the mids but let the bass through. The absorbers are 703 rigid but do not use any FRK on these nor do they have to be the same depth as the bass traps. About 2" will do and keep 2" from the wall if you leave no space in the back of the absorber. Hope this helps

Hi Jeff. I'm in the process of doing the same thing in my studio. In fact, I just posted about this subject about 2 weeks ago. Here is a link to the best deal that I could find on the owens corning 703 http://www.atsacoustics.com/item--Owens-Corning-703-Case-of-6--1004.html
I haven't ordered any yet, but intend on doing so soon. I'm beginning to think that some of my issues are my monitors. I use the KRK rokit 8's.
Back when I had a different setup about 10 years ago I had the Mackie 824's. Those monitors were unbelievable. Moneys tight right now so no new toys for me.  
I see that you ended up buying the LA-610mkII. What do you think about it?

Great Thread guys! I love this forum!
 
What I did in my average master bedroom was cover the front wall and side walls with standard carpet padding. I completely covered the wall that has the window. I then made a cut on both sides and bottom of the window so I could lift up the part covering the window and attach it to the roof when I wanted light or air. I didn't cover the back wall behind me. It has an open closet which helps with the reflections. I'm sure it's not the best room treatment, but it sounds really good. Oh, and having the Makie 824's doesn't hurt either.

Is that your own song, good writing and the acoustic sound nice?
Thanks for the link.

I dont have time to respond to each individual posting....but I wish I could buy each of you a brew or your favorite beverage.  What a great group of folks! Where else can you find friends that had rather twist knobs and make baffles, than have a social life. haha

There's nothing like experience and sharing that knowledge with others. It sure saves re-inventing the wheel,...which amounts to big bucks.

Im tuning my control room 90 degrees, before, doing anything else. Doing this will put at least 10feet behind me...rather than 4 or so. What a mess of wires this is gonna be. This will force me to clean up the spagetti and isolate my noisy computer better.

We havent mentioned much about using a "reference CD" that's been proven to give you the mix you want. Seems if you compare your current mix to the reference...the acoustics of the room don't matter much................your opinions?

Jeff

We havent mentioned much about using a "reference CD" that's been proven to give you the mix you want. Seems if you compare your current mix to the reference...the acoustics of the room don't matter much................your opinions?

Mixing ain't no Betty Crocker fudge brownie thang!

I made these for my own studio. Rockwool sound panels built into a frame so they are a few cm away from the wall, cover in fabric from ikea... probably exactly like in the video :) Very cheap if you are handy with a hammer... which I am not, but I have good friends who are :) 

2*2 panels on the sides of me a big huge square of 4 of them right in from of me /back of speakers, and a similarly big on at an angle in the ceiling right above where I am sitting.

And I am pimping the sides of these with LED lights (also from ikea) :) looks terrible cheesy (which was the effect I wanted).

lets see if i can insert an image....

I used this service that smoochy is talking about (from Auralex) and eventually bought product from them.  It was one of the best purchases I made.  What I especially liked was that they showed me three different options that I could use (from fair to excellent) room correction when they provided me a solution about three years ago now.

I put the treatments up as they recommended and noticed a dramatically better mixing environment.

Please know that there are plenty of DIY kits that will work just as well.  I'm just sharing my experience.

lavoll


I made these for my own studio. Rockwool sound panels built into a frame so they are a few cm away from the wall, cover in fabric from ikea... probably exactly like in the video :) Very cheap if you are handy with a hammer... which I am not, but I have good friends who are :) 

2*2 panels on the sides of me a big huge square of 4 of them right in from of me /back of speakers, and a similarly big on at an angle in the ceiling right above where I am sitting.

And I am pimping the sides of these with LED lights (also from ikea) :) looks terrible cheesy (which was the effect I wanted).

lets see if i can insert an image.... 

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Great job ! They look nice.  Cant wait to see the lights. :>)
Jeff 

My JBL monitors comes with the Room Analizer...Do you feel I "should" use this device?

Yes, use it, but make that your very last step after applying all room treatments. Room correction, despite JBL's glowing description, can only do so much. It cannot counter a resonant null. Only bass traps can help with that.

Make sure you grab Ethan Winer's stepped sine test project, if you don't already have it. It'll give you an objective basis to evaluate how well you're doing with bass traps.

FREE STUFF !

After rearranging my control room, I found some stuff I dont need anymore.  You or somebody that loves to tinker, or someone that just starting out may want these units to experiment with.
Must take all units. ha
You pay shipping
1.  TC Finalizer 44.1 unit.
2. Elvis Presley scratched session cuts  (just kidding)
3. Aphex Tubeessence preamp
4. Digitek STUDIO VOCALIST
5. Alesis 3630 compressor
All units never been out of the studio......in fact they have been "under" the studio for years. Used in a smoke-filled, beer drinking studio. Some scratches, in fact, many scratches. May need a little dusting off, or maybe a degreaser. No power supplies.

FREE TO GOOD HOME...you pay shipping.

Happy Jeff's Used Autos 

I'd be very much interested in the stuff you'd like to part with.

That said, I built some absorbers in my studio and it was the best money I ever invested, and it wasn't that much.  Couple hundred built a bunch.  I even covered some with grill cloth to make them look snazzy on the walls... 

Let me know if you're still looking for a home for your "dusty" friends.