FZ1
Hi Noel,
Thanks for chiming in. Prehaps you could clarify the direction of Sonars touch features.
I recall when X2 came out. James Oliver demonstrated the touch features on a Sonicstate video.
He said something along the lines of "To do any editing in Sonar you will always need to use a mouse and keyboard"
Is that how you see the development of Sonar touch?
 
That would be the nub of why I feel the development of touch as being a bit odd. Wouldn't the logical goal of a touch interface be the full use of the program, rather than relying on a external item of hardware to edit anything?
 
However there is something you said that I dont fully understand, but might be at the root of my frustration.
"To handle multitouch we cannot rely on the base windows fallback since that doesn't support multitouch"
 
Does this mean that implementation of multitouch is mutually exclusive with windows touch right click emulation?
So you can add multitouch features like the on screen keyboard, but at the expense of having a right click touch menu in the arrangement window?
 
That means that the things that I had assumed to have been crippled deliberately, are actually just the result of implementing multitouch. And I'm just woefully underestimating how long it will take to make Sonar a complete multitouch program. Many many years.
Sonar Unobtainium edition?
Is this the case?
 
Back on topic. If Sonars step sequencer allowed automation of vst parameters rather than being limited to midi spec messages only, or the matrix allowed for direct editing of cell contents, it really would be an improvement on P5. These are still superior in P5, especially if you are using a touchscreen.
 
Cheers J

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

Brando
To add/clarify re: touch - using the little "+" symbol in the FX bin's header to add an effect to the effects bin via touch is not practical (almost not possible) and almost constitutes a "nonsensical" aspect of touch implementation.
For this feature only (adding an effect to an effects bin) - splitting the header in half - with the left half devoted to the "Bypass Rack" button, and the right half devoted to "+" (show rack menu) might work - but even there the header itself is so thin to make inadvertent contact with the topmost effect in the bin inevitable. (There is an option to widen all strips, but no equivalent to scale up all elements.
I am curious - Noel - as a SONAR Platinum user - do you use Touch?

 
Its dead simple to add an effect. Open the plugin browser and drag an effect from there to the console or track to add the plugin.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
 
Editing is planned at some point but we dont have a time line. There still aren't enough users requesting touch enhancements since many don't have touchscreens.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
[...] Upgrading it would essentially mean transplanting SONAR's engine into it. [...]

BobF
 
 
I've suggested more than once that getting the pattern/MIDI editor function either implanted into Sonar, or made as a stand-alone external editor, would be a fawesome thing for Sonar.

ampfixer
Project 5 has been labelled a dead duck by the powers that be. How could Sonar's pattern based modules be improved to get you the functionality of P5?

wetdentist
my replacement for P5 (i was devastated when it died), when it comes to my pattern-based sequencing, ended up being Maschine.  i wish NI could handle this job better, as arranging patterns in Maschine is terrible (while making the patterns, themselves, is awesome).  P5 was incredible at both pattern creation & arranging of patterns, but needed to become 64 bit and multi-core aware.