Yeppe
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Reggae Bubble???
Hello!
Does Sonar 6 PE have Reggae organ to get bubble sound? Is there any software out there, where I just set the tempo, and chords and then it starts to play me Reggae bubble? Samples are not enough, as I need to decide the tempo and chord progression. No, I don´t wanna buy an organ nor keyboard - it should be a software, that gives me a pro sound too.
Any help highly appreciated.
Regards, Yeppe
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bitflipper
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 15:59:44
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What, no one wants to bite on this one?
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Ognis
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 16:02:09
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I listen to, Burning Spear, Alpha Wess, Alpha Bondy, Mefa Gaya, and others, and have never heard of a reggae bubble.
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 16:09:12
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ORIGINAL: Ognis
I listen to, Burning Spear, Alpha Wess, Alpha Bondy, Mefa Gaya, and others, and have never heard of a reggae bubble.
I heard the term many times and I don't listen to Reggae at all.. the OP's request is really funny not because there aren't such things..there are many audio libraries with latin loops,rock,reggae..some drums and instruments loops or phrases..but Yeppe wants it MIDI  OK, so there's Band in a Box or Jammer Pro ..their styles must have many organ chords played with that rhythm..just let them play on a good organ library of your choice.. don't forget to mess with it, a good keyboardist can create many kind of bubbles (!) with different tones (somewhat..it's reggae after all..hehe) .. true art! (u know, I did listen to UB40 some years ago..some great sounds/mixes there..lotsa bubbles) I forgot - Ognis, you're not a keyboard player..it's mostly keyboardists who talk about "bubbles"...also "comping" isn't what we see here on the forums (and there were many "comping" threads..).."Rhythm changes" that have nothing to do with any rhythm.. I bet drummers have such confusing terms too..besides "paradiddle" 
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 17:01:47
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Does Sonar 6 PE have Reggae organ to get bubble sound? I believe what he is looking for is a Rhodes/Electric Piano sound. "bubbling" from my understanding is the way most reggae keyboardist 'strum' chords. IMO, if you want a musicial sound, get a midi keyboard and record your performance as midi in Sonar - you can always change your samples using your favorite softsynth/sampler.
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 17:04:28
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QUOTE::it should be a software, that gives me a pro sound too. UNQUOTE::
I dont think so.
Cj
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Ognis
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 17:16:19
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ORIGINAL: Honest_Al
ORIGINAL: Ognis
I listen to, Burning Spear, Alpha Wess, Alpha Bondy, Mefa Gaya, and others, and have never heard of a reggae bubble.
I forgot - Ognis, you're not a keyboard player..it's mostly keyboardists who talk about "bubbles"...also "comping" isn't what we see here on the forums (and there were many "comping" threads..).."Rhythm changes" that have nothing to do with any rhythm.. I bet drummers have such confusing terms too..besides "paradiddle"
Only keys I play are my controler. Reggae is cool though.. Alpha Wess is by far my fav, you should check him out sometime, http://www.myspace.com/alphawess There is a song here too, http://www.donaba.net/musicvideo.php?rubrique=artiste&audio=98
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Honest_Al
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 17:23:50
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believe what he is looking for is a Rhodes/Electric Piano sound. I still think the majority is organ sounds .. mostly that with all the variations (Vox,Farfisa,Hammond,Korg etc.) ..probably there are also cases where you hear Fender Rhodes or other E.P's. Although organs and electric pianos are different beasts I know many that confuse the names/sounds..calling a more "round" organ sound (no Leslie) an electric piano or "rhodes" 
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 17:40:56
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Hello,
The "bubble" is a rhythm style, not a particular sound. You can play the bubble on any kb (organ, piano, e. piano, clavinet).
GK
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 18:24:59
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Hey mon! The bubble is goood... the bubble is my friend, Jah is love!!!! I-Rie!!! The bubble is floating around the room.... pass the dutchie! All is Jah!!!!!
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 18:32:53
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Hey mon! The bubble is goood... the bubble is my friend, Jah is love!!!! I-Rie!!! The bubble is floating around the room.... pass the dutchie! All is Jah!!!!!
You mean "I and I and I and I"....
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 19:08:08
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ORIGINAL: Geokauf
Hello,
The "bubble" is a rhythm style, not a particular sound. You can play the bubble on any kb (organ, piano, e. piano, clavinet).
GK
+1 (I'm in a reggae band, btw)
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 19:11:01
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Once again, Wikipedia comes to the rescue: Bubble Rhythm, an organ playing technique used heavily in reggae music, playing every 16th note except for numbered downbeats. A bubble, a bubble Looking for no trouble But if you trouble, trouble We'll give it to you double - Bob Marley
post edited by bitflipper - 2007/05/18 19:29:27
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 19:16:56
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper
Once again, Wikipedia comes to the rescue:
Bubble Rhythm, an organ playing technique used heavily in reggae music, playing every 16th note except for numbered downbeats.
correct as far as it goes, but incomplete. Accent is on the 'ands'... the strong beat itself being silent... "...e AND a.... e AND a.... e AND a ... e AND a...". The 'and's will also usually be higher, and describe the chord explicitly, whereas the 'e's and the 'a's may be incomplete chords or even 'ghost' notes, functioning more for their percussive effect. And a good reggae keyboard player will vary it somewhat. Here's a good example from one of my favorite bands. Note that the guitar player is bubbling also.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxdyeIFHJB4
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Honest_Al
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 19:20:34
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MOSTLY organs..didn't say ALWAYS but mostly.. most of the time.. "Far more frequently than..." at least in the kind of Reggae that I was listening to
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 19:37:49
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one of my favorite bands. Aggrolite? I wouldn't have figured you for a skinhead -- but then I looked at your photo... Just kidding. When I lived in England in 1969-1972, "aggro" was popular then. Short for "aggravation", and the preferred genre of football hooligans with shaved heads and steel-toed workboots, their preferred weapon for attacking minorities. Consequently this particular offshoot of reggae had a sinister aura about it. Mainstream musicians looked down on it as music for the ignorant masses. Admitting you liked it was like admitting you liked Spam and Twinkies.
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 19:41:28
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Is there any software out there, where I just set the tempo, and chords and then it starts to play me Reggae bubble? Samples are not enough, as I need to decide the tempo and chord progression. No, I don´t wanna buy an organ nor keyboard - it should be a software, that gives me a pro sound too. To quote Charles Babbage: "I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 19:54:28
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper
one of my favorite bands.
Aggrolite? I wouldn't have figured you for a skinhead -- but then I looked at your photo...
Just kidding. When I lived in England in 1969-1972, "aggro" was popular then. Short for "aggravation", and the preferred genre of football hooligans with shaved heads and steel-toed workboots, their preferred weapon for attacking minorities. Consequently this particular offshoot of reggae had a sinister aura about it. Mainstream musicians looked down on it as music for the ignorant masses. Admitting you liked it was like admitting you liked Spam and Twinkies.
The aggrolites aren't a skinhead band.
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iainkelman
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 20:45:14
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Hi,
I've been doing dub and reggae for a hundred years and bubbling is a staple. Any old organ sound will do. A flanger will give a rotary cab sound and eq will pick out the sweet frequencies. All of my bubbling is, however, manual, that is, hand made. Haven't seen or encountererd "autobubble" in my travels.
Bubble organ is not actually that tricky for any novice, as you can set a manageable tempo and you don't need to play for 3.48, or 7 minutes if you're Lee Perry, as you can just cut up and loop the "good" bits.
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 22:20:23
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the bubble on a keyboard is kinda hard to explain without writing it on a stave.
but i will try - if you divide the bar into 8th notes, the first note is a rest, second is the current chord played with the left hand, third is chord played with the right hand, fourth is left hand, then back to the rest, left,right,left pattern.
played this way your right hand is doing the 2 and the 4 beats like a reggae guitarist, and the left hand is playing in the spaces (except for the 1 beat wich is a rest).
it helps to use a sound with not much attack - you are playing a lot of notes!
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Honest_Al
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 22:36:53
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I must add again (sorry) - you forgot about the straight or swing feel (and how much of that swing feel.. and the FEEL of the feel of course! LOL) it helps to use a sound with not much attack - you are playing a lot of notes Actually there are many different sounds used (mostly organs..oh, did I say that already!?) ..many organ sounds in Reggae actually have the opposite of what you say - they have the Percussion section on..and pretty loud! so many of them have a fast (sometimes sharp) attack..many times that attack includes some good ol' dirt (on older recordings..not only those) and some are clean and more "synthy"..i mentioned UB40..they have both types, depends on what year and the style they wanted. and with the old analog stuff you can hear the contact noises..it gets you nice subtle variations on that attack and sometimes it's not subtle at all:) you can hear overloading or some distortions.. compressed as hell stuff isn't rare..some keyboards go thru old delays, plate reverbs, bad amps..hehe..modern boxes that emulate these.. real tape.. all the WARM stuff!
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 22:50:42
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If UB40 is reggae, then Conway Twitty is heavy metal.
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 23:07:53
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ORIGINAL: Ognis
If UB40 is reggae, then Conway Twitty is heavy metal.
Ognis..it's also Reggae there.. I should have said POP-Reggae maybe? anyways.. there are heavy influences like Madness using Ska rhythms in their songs but here the case with UB40 is clear - maybe it's not enough Reggae for you (yes, I played Bob Marley songs..covers you know..I did listen to some other reggae stuff..not much) ..you're the expert but what do you expect..hardcore reggae? it's (soft?..English..) UB40 after all! Labour of Love (A&M, 1983)
UB40, the band that has received some of the most sustained popular support of any reggae act over the past two decades, first came to worldwide prominence with this collection of covers of hit reggae tunes from the late '60s and early '70s. The song that shot them into the world spotlight was "Red Red Wine," an excellent remake that slowed down the original Tony Tribe tune (itself a remake of a Neil Diamond cut) to groovy, sexy effect. Unfortunately, that is easily the best track on Labour of Love, although crisp production drives "Sweet Sensation" (originally by The Melodians) and the subdued "Please Don't Make Me Cry" (originally by Winston Groovy). "Red Red Wine" is the only song that improves on the original, with these latter two coming close, but "Johnny Too Bad" (originally by The Slickers) -- with its high-pitched, New Age, Yanni-like keyboards -- and "Many Rivers to Cross" (originally Jimmy Cliff) -- with its up-tempo beat, '80s synthesizers, and whiny vocals -- are horrific. I was fairly ambivalent about the three songs whose original versions I don't know very well -- "Guilty," "Version Girl," and "She Caught the Train" -- the latter being catchy, but sounding infinitely more like '80s pop than reggae.
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Ognis
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 23:15:09
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Hey man, I like Sublime But not UB40 edit, btw, would you call PM Dawn's "Set a Drift on Memory Bliss" reggae too ? Just wondering 
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Honest_Al
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 23:26:53
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edit, btw, would you call PM Dawn's "Set a Drift on Memory Bliss" reggae too ?
Just wondering not only that I don't know the song ... <blush icon here?> but it also doesn't matter if I call it reggae or not! I bet it's 20%-40% less reggae than UB40 Styles and rhythms in music..there's so much in between it all.. let the fusion live.
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Ognis
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/18 23:29:09
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/19 03:37:13
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This topic became suddenly very active ... I read that usually reggae people use Korg M1 and Korg 01W/FD keyboards. There are 3 kinds of Organ rhythmic patterns which are called BUBBLE - or sometimes they call it shuffle. Bubble 1: double 8th notes on 2nd and 4th beat. Usually played on left hand, but never played by both hands TOGETHER. Bubble 2: Right hand plays 8th note on beats 2 and 4 - it´s 2 times/bar. Left hand plays 8th note on all "Ands" - it´s 4 times/bar. Bubble 3: Commonly played by the left hand alone. 8th note on every up beats ("and") - it´s 4 times/bar. To get an authentic reggae bubble they edit Korg 01W´s gospel organ. I know the values if some one needs them. Regards, Yeppe A bubble, a bubble Looking for no trouble But if you trouble, trouble I'll give it to you triple (or likely more - up to my mood) - Yeppe
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/19 08:39:07
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper
To quote Charles Babbage: "I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ... that's a lovely quote, very cute, but actually the OP has an interesting question. A VSTi dedicated to this function - nice tasty reggae organ comping with programmable chord progression - would be kinda neat. I would have no use for it myself (professional keyboardist), but it's not an entirely silly idea at all. It sounds like the kind of thing that the free VSTi community might spit out one of these days; there are a few hobbyist developers who like to do peculiar specialized things like that, ethnic instruments with authentic tuning, and so on. Browse around KVR for a while and look for stuff like that, get in contact, make the suggestion... who knows? For straight-up organ sounds that seem OK for the price (free), try Organized Trio: http://www.soundfonts.it/
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Honest_Al
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/19 11:35:42
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sy5AbMQZhq8 oh...THAT remixed 80's stuff..AND rap on top I heard it on the radio (I still listen to the radio..about 12 minutes and 14 seconds each year!) brings me back to the 80's.. Spandau Ballet..one of their bigger hits named "Gold".. of course it's so far from Reggae..the drums of the remix play one of the (boring by now..done too many times) most used grooves/loops.. the electric guitar chords from Gold - the 2 places on the beat remind me other music styles..(latin..bossa) ..but sure not Reggae!
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RE: Reggae Bubble???
2007/05/19 13:33:05
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Yes, it is sometimes called shuffle. Here is the reggae organ part played with both left and right hands. Organized Trio is the VSTi: Don't Worry - Organ 1 Here's the same organ part in the context of a song: Don't Worry
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