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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 15:08:30
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 15:15:54
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2017/11/22 15:30:55
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You do realize that you can unplug the network to avoid all updates, and the computer will continue to run as is.
That's what i've been doing, for the last 8 years!!! using sonar 6 PE, on a dialed in Win XP system...... has worked perfectly. i was going to pull the trigger on a new PC for a new DAW on DEC 1st, that's been in the books for almost a year..... then this!!! LOL
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 15:34:54
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Presonus Studio One 3 Professional
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 15:46:51
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pwalpwal
there's only a small number of the plugs bundled with sonar that won't work in other daws, someone posted a checklist/screenshot in another thread already
The ones that quickly come to mind are the plugins bundled as a Cakewalk version from AAS, Nomad Factory, and Overloud. Celemony Melodyne and XLN Addictive drums should be fine, as they are activated directly with an account that you redeem on their websites. The Cakewalk instruments all seem to be portable. As far as the Cakewalk effects go, I guess the Pro Channel is the biggest loss. And oddly enough, the Adaptive Limiter seems to only be licensed for use in Sonar. But the new LP-EQ and LP-MB seem to work fine elsewhere.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 15:56:14
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I jumped onto this one cause as a professional I need a reliable DAW
that I know and use with ease.
but, boys: when I need lager live rooms and more than 4 mics i go to a certain commercial / small & cheap studio around that has sonar installed and working.
Believe it or not, they run on Sonar 6, still working on a Win7 x64 machine (no internet so no updates)
They just use it as an audio recorder so no need for more advanced stuff etc (I agree that going there is really awkward for me, like going to Jurassic studio) but let's face it: the software works rock steady, they never had an issue.
Sonar 6 was installed on a Win98 PC, then on a new XP PC and now on this one (5 y/o Win7 PC) Always rock solid.
So we'll talk about a replacement for PLAT around 2028 if you don't mind.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 15:57:00
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OTOH, I am still using Adobe Audition 3, which stopped development in 2007, as well as software development tools that date back to the 90's. And it's cool to be okay with working with the continued risk that one day it will just stop working. While I'm now on Mac, I had this happen with Bias Peak Pro 6. It worked for about 6 years and then just stopped after an OS update. Now it crashes upon boot up every single time and Bias has long since closed its doors. But it's less of an issue when an audio editor stops working but much more of an issue if it's your DAW that suddenly breaks. Perhaps Sonar will work for a very long time... perhaps it wont. It's up to each user to decide if that's a risk they're willing to take or if they want to move over to another active DAW developer.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 16:08:39
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Good to know about the limited midi in S1. That may be a deal breaker for me. I need to research further I guess but Cubase may be the next contender to be considered.
Does any of the current DAWs support anything like CAL scripts?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 16:34:59
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Joe_A
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what about pro tools or logic pro or ableton live?
PT is what I went to after leaving Sonar. A bit of a steep learning curve and not everything you know in Sonar translates over but may well be worth it. Check out Avid.com and the DUC which is the PT forum of choice. Be aware PT uses an iLok dongle.
Which PT if I may ask? I was there this morning looking at PT 12 I believe.
I hate to spend money but need to get something.
*I really don't want to spend extra money now...second grandchild is on the way!!! 😊
I'm running PT11.3.2; PT12.8.2 is the latest version. Depending on what plan you get you can get one that has a combo license asset for PT10/11/12 or just PT12. You'll have to check the Avid site to see which is which.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 16:40:29
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Good to know about the limited midi in S1. That may be a deal breaker for me. I need to research further I guess but Cubase may be the next contender to be considered.
Does any of the current DAWs support anything like CAL scripts?
I spent a solid year putting Reaper, Studio One, Cubase and Digital Performer through their paces. If you want extended MIDI, I'd go with Cubase Pro. To me, it's what my favorite version of Sonar, 8.5.3, should have evolved into. It has the Logical Editor, which is actually more powerful than CAL. I just build presets for the LE when I need something, and soon enough I had a full library of functions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTDFqRjxbgU
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 16:50:19
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How would one import their sonar bundles into Cubase Pro? First unbundle and save as projects? Then load those projects into Cubase Pro? Or something else? How does it work?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 17:11:09
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A post started over at the Facebook "Cakewalk Sonar User Group (CSUG)" .. on Studio One. A roadtest thread. Judging by replies it seems many were busy last night buying it already.
I think Gibson / Cakewalk need some how to come out with further statement rather than leave it hanging like this especially if there is an intention to sell Cakewalk, have it developed elsewhere.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 17:14:34
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 18:43:35
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I'm currently looking at Live as something to run in parallel with Sonar.
My thinking is that since Sonar is in no known imminent danger of not functioning there's little upside to jumping to some other "same only different" platform that I will have to learn and will likely find less appealing than Sonar, which again, is still working fine.
And if I switch now as a hedge against some point in the possibly distant future when Sonar won't run, how do I know that an alternative DAW I purchase today will still be in business then?
IOW, what's the upside in switching now to a "same only different" DAW when Sonar is still good to go?
Instead, I'm looking at Live on the grounds that since it offers a different paradigm with different strengths I can run it in parallel, learn it and have it provide some tangible benefit while Sonar still runs fine.
After demoing it a bit last night, I can say it is currently sadly lacking in some areas we take for granted, so the jury is still out on whether it could be used as a competent traditional DAW replacement. But OTOH it does some other things very well, which is the whole point.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 19:19:12
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Cubase actually seems to be closest to Sonar. I'm talking function, plenty of the important ones, like metering, etc. I like it so far.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 19:29:14
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This feels like a divorce...an unwanted one. With a heavy heart full of sorrow and reluctance, I just purchased Presonus Studio One 3 Professional. I feel like I have a concubine, but I miss my wife...SONAR.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 19:55:05
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Serious bummer, man. Been using Sonar since 2005... right after jumping off Pro Tools III due to the exorbitant cost of staying up to date. Tried Reaper a few years ago, when Sonar wasn't playing nice with Acustica Audio Nebula. But for the last 2 years or so, Sonar has been stellar with everything... possibly the best integration of Windows 10, multi-threading, and a DAW there is. Reaper was okay. A little heavy on parameter set up. It just wasn't as 2nd nature as Sonar is to me. So when Sonar and Acustica got their problems sorted, I switched back to Sonar and never went back to Reaper. So I think I'll probably start trying to get into Reaper again. The particular "no-go" thing for me with Reaper was... not being to set up your own custom VST menu. I absolutely hated the way you had to access plugins. I would hope they've changed that... but I suspect not. Everything else I could live with and actually kinda likes. Very light on PC resources, too. Cubase also seems like an obvious choice... but doesn't the latest version of Cubase only support VST3 plugins... no support for VST2? Looks like Reaper on the horizon for now, I think... since I already have a license. On the plus side... switching to a new DAW could be a good way to spark some new creativity!... or stifle it. A new year... a new DAW!
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 20:00:40
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This feels like a divorce...an unwanted one. With a heavy heart full of sorrow and reluctance, I just purchased Presonus Studio One 3 Professional. I feel like I have a concubine, but I miss my wife...SONAR.
Please post when convenient for you how's it going....I may purchase S1Pro tonight.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 20:05:32
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pwalpwal
there's only a small number of the plugs bundled with sonar that won't work in other daws, someone posted a checklist/screenshot in another thread already
The ones that quickly come to mind are the plugins bundled as a Cakewalk version from AAS, Nomad Factory, and Overloud.
Celemony Melodyne and XLN Addictive drums should be fine, as they are activated directly with an account that you redeem on their websites.
The Cakewalk instruments all seem to be portable. As far as the Cakewalk effects go, I guess the Pro Channel is the biggest loss. And oddly enough, the Adaptive Limiter seems to only be licensed for use in Sonar. But the new LP-EQ and LP-MB seem to work fine elsewhere.
So LP-EQ and LP-MB are able to be used in Studio One Pro? I'm trying to see, as many are, what is/isn't "portable" in SPLAT suite..
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 20:46:04
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Joe_A
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pwalpwal
there's only a small number of the plugs bundled with sonar that won't work in other daws, someone posted a checklist/screenshot in another thread already
The ones that quickly come to mind are the plugins bundled as a Cakewalk version from AAS, Nomad Factory, and Overloud.
Celemony Melodyne and XLN Addictive drums should be fine, as they are activated directly with an account that you redeem on their websites.
The Cakewalk instruments all seem to be portable. As far as the Cakewalk effects go, I guess the Pro Channel is the biggest loss. And oddly enough, the Adaptive Limiter seems to only be licensed for use in Sonar. But the new LP-EQ and LP-MB seem to work fine elsewhere.
So LP-EQ and LP-MB are able to be used in Studio One Pro? I'm trying to see, as many are, what is/isn't "portable" in SPLAT suite..
I don't have Studio One Pro, but everything I listed should still apply to any other DAW. I tested them in Tracktion Waveform.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 20:46:38
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Joe_A
Sylvan
This feels like a divorce...an unwanted one. With a heavy heart full of sorrow and reluctance, I just purchased Presonus Studio One 3 Professional. I feel like I have a concubine, but I miss my wife...SONAR.
Please post when convenient for you how's it going....I may purchase S1Pro tonight.
Hi Joe, I have tested the following in Presonus Studio One Professional... CA2A LPEQ LPMB Percussion Strip Vocal Strip Transient Shaper Tube Leveler and they all work. Adaptive Limiter and Breverb do not work.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 20:49:52
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I'm currently looking at Live as something to run in parallel with Sonar.
My thinking is that since Sonar is in no known imminent danger of not functioning there's little upside to jumping to some other "same only different" platform that I will have to learn and will likely find less appealing than Sonar, which again, is still working fine.
And if I switch now as a hedge against some point in the possibly distant future when Sonar won't run, how do I know that an alternative DAW I purchase today will still be in business then?
IOW, what's the upside in switching now to a "same only different" DAW when Sonar is still good to go?
Instead, I'm looking at Live on the grounds that since it offers a different paradigm with different strengths I can run it in parallel, learn it and have it provide some tangible benefit while Sonar still runs fine.
After demoing it a bit last night, I can say it is currently sadly lacking in some areas we take for granted, so the jury is still out on whether it could be used as a competent traditional DAW replacement. But OTOH it does some other things very well, which is the whole point.
Take a look at Tracktion T6. It has been released for free. https://www.tracktion.com/products/t6-daw Tracktion T7 can also be redeemed for free at the Tracktion site, if you register certain Behringer or Mackie devices on the manufacturer's site, you should receive a redemption code for T7. Tracktion Waveform also has Melodyne integration.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 20:51:57
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I went with Studio One because of the integration with Melodyne and Vocalign are the same as SONAR. Also, Studio One, like SONAR, has the extra integration with Console One as well.
Pro Tools does not have that kind of integration so even though I already have Pro Tools 12, it was not a replacement for SONAR, so I had to purchase Studio One (which in my opinion is STILL not a replacement for the late great SONAR, but at least lets me use some important features and workflows that I am used to.)
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 20:56:23
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Sylvan
Joe_A
Sylvan
This feels like a divorce...an unwanted one. With a heavy heart full of sorrow and reluctance, I just purchased Presonus Studio One 3 Professional. I feel like I have a concubine, but I miss my wife...SONAR.
Please post when convenient for you how's it going....I may purchase S1Pro tonight.
Hi Joe,
I have tested the following in Presonus Studio One Professional...
CA2A
LPEQ
LPMB
Percussion Strip
Vocal Strip
Transient Shaper
Tube Leveler
and they all work.
Adaptive Limiter and Breverb do not work.
I think Overloud TH3 Cakewalk should be on that list with Breverb.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 21:07:39
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Mixcraft also has Melodyne itegration. Seems to be between Mixcraft and Studio One for me for now. I'm already using Mixbus so have a plan C already...
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 22:45:14
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I picked up Mixbus 4 on sale for $29 last night. For that price I can experiment with it and should have plenty of time to decide what I think before it becomes a necessity. I already have Mixbus 3 but it looks like 4 has some nice improvements.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/23 14:43:15
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https://www.ableton.com/en/ I see that Ableton are giving 20% off either Ableton 9 new or upgrade AND a free upgrade to Ableton 10 .. For me thats an upgrade as I have Ableton 8 which I tried way back but could not get on with it. Cost to me €127. Funnily, even before this current situ with Cakewalk i was thinking of upgrading my Live 8 anyway and this up to 10 ( up 2 versions ) makes it attractive WHILE still working mainly with Sonar BTW. So theres a backup plan :D
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/23 14:59:36
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Any one have a link to Cubase 9.5 demo? I would like to demo a few different DAWs at this point. Thanks!
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/23 16:23:32
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how about Mixcraft 8? anyone like that?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/23 16:43:22
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Been very happy with my studio one demo experiments so far. Also watched a lot of videos. Pretty clear they're going to have a cross grade deal next week. 95% set on getting it.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/23 17:38:13
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https://www.ableton.com/en/
I see that Ableton are giving 20% off either Ableton 9 new or upgrade AND a free upgrade to Ableton 10 ..
For me thats an upgrade as I have Ableton 8 which I tried way back but could not get on with it. Cost to me €127.
Funnily, even before this current situ with Cakewalk i was thinking of upgrading my Live 8 anyway and this up to 10 ( up 2 versions ) makes it attractive WHILE still working mainly with Sonar BTW. So theres a backup plan :D
I haven't decided on buying it yet, but I had a 10 year old copy of Live Lite that came bundled with something or other. After guessing the e-mail I used to register it correctly and doing the reset password thingy, I was able to log in. In addition to the discount above, they are offering me an additional ~15% off just because I registered a 10 year old freebie!
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