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Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
With today's announcement, I am concerned for the future of my recording software. While it may not matter for a while, a new Microsoft OS could quickly kill the ability to use Sonar.
What is comparable? I used to use Cubase but hated their tech support (non existent) and their forum members' lack of responses to valid newbie questions. It was also a cumbersome interface (I did VST 5.? to Cubase 3 before giving up).
I have tried Studio 1 and sort of like it but it always seems to be missing some things. The last time I upgraded, I could not organize my way too many plugins. That bothered me a lot. Don't know if that has changed.
I tried Reaper. It is too crude for my tastes.
Fruity Loops and Reason - not for me.
Cubase has likely changed a lot under Yamaha. It is almost universally supported by 3rd party developers of hardware (where Sonar seems to get little love).
Studio 1 - maybe I need to go back and look again.
Advice?
There is no rush yet. But it is coming some day.
Thanks
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:15:33
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I'm not even going to look into alternate DAWs until Sonar totally fails to operate.
When that happens, I will be moving to Reaper which, in my opinion, is the closest to SONAR in terms of GUI and what have you.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:15:59
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☄ Helpfulby jude77 2017/11/22 01:30:07
It's a bummer to contemplate. I've tried pretty much all of them, and Sonar really is the one I like the most, by quite some distance.
I agree with you that Reaper is... unfriendly, I think I'd call it. But it's probably what I'll go to eventually. It's very comprehensive, features-wise. Have never got along with Cubase.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:17:14
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This is the definitive proof that good software fails commercially and the bad one triumphs.
I can not understand how a DAW that was the first to innovate on things like 64bit, 64bit audio engines, is now out of business, no more.
I always thought that the sale of cakewalk to gibson would end in this way.
I think like you, what to choose now ?.
Actually the loyal users to Sonar have been orphaned and we do not have a real alternative, solid and secure to change.
Not to mention the hard work of changing the projects from one Daw to another.
Sorry for my english! :(
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:19:09
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John T
Have never got along with Cubase.
Same here, John, I really do not like it.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:20:51
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Ahhh,i forgot.
This is the really BLACK friday for sonar users!
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:23:45
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This is one of the reasons I have kept Pro tools updated. in case this happened
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:26:56
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This is one of the reasons I have kept Pro tools updated. in case this happened
Pro Tools? What is that?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:29:49
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☄ Helpfulby pilutiful 2017/11/21 16:53:23
At this point, IMO, the closest thing to Sonar at the moment is probably Studio One. I'll likely start there and if that doesn't work for me, then Cubase or Reaper are top contenders. I've tried Reaper and could make it do what I wanted, but it sure takes a lot of work to get it setup.
Regards,
Dan
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:31:41
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davidt64
This is one of the reasons I have kept Pro tools updated. in case this happened
Pro Tools? What is that?
its this thing that used to be called the industry standard.  I cant use Pro tools.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:32:58
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dcumpian
At this point, IMO, the closest thing to Sonar at the moment is probably Studio One. I'll likely start there and if that doesn't work for me, then Cubase or Reaper are top contenders. I've tried Reaper and could make it do what I wanted, but it sure takes a lot of work to get it setup.
Regards,
Dan
Kind of where my head is too Dan. Not a big fan of Cubase or Reaper. I am hopping to Studio One forums to see if some of the issues I had were worked out. None were insurmountable, more just irritating.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:33:08
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I'm in the same situation as space_cowboy with an exception that I still run SONAR in Windows 7 and thus Microsoft's updates will most likely not prevent me from running SONAR as long as I want to. However, I have to look for alternatives if development and maintenance is freezed. No need to do anything in a hurry but if SONAR 10.2017 is the last version in 2019 or 2020, I will look for alternatives. Reaper - tested in 2014; I didn't like it at all. S1 - tested in 2015. At that time SONAR won 6-0. ProTools - I used it in early 2000's and have still no reason to go back to the past. Cubase - was my alternative for SONAR in 2005. I went to SONAR because it worked and Cubase was unstable. Maybe, maybe. EDIT: I purchased Studio One. Black Friday price $190.68 USD (ex vat) is a bargain... I continue to use SONAR but at least now I have plan B in case SONAR stops working and/or Cakewalk servers are closed.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:43:07
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☄ Helpfulby DrLumen 2017/11/22 04:41:13
You all seem to be working from the assumption that SONAR is going to stop working on Friday. It won't.
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:44:50
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☄ Helpfulby panup 2017/11/21 16:58:01
no bitflipper, I think we are trying to secure our working future with a DAW that will have support in case there are compatibility issues, O/S issues, etc.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:45:55
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panup
I'm in the same situation as space_cowboy with an exception that I still run SONAR in Windows 7 and thus Microsoft's updates will most likely not prevent me from running SONAR as long as I want to.
However, I have to look for alternatives if development and maintenance is freezed. No need to do anything in a hurry but if SONAR 10.2017 is the last version in 2019 or 2020, I will look for alternatives.
Reaper - tested in 2014; I didn't like it at all.
S1 - tested in 2015. At that time SONAR won 6-0.
ProTools - I used it in early 2000's and have still no reason to go back to the past.
Cubase - was my alternative for SONAR in 2005. I went to SONAR because it worked and Cubase was unstable. Maybe, maybe.
Any thoughts on Samplitude? I have tested in the past myself, seemed like a viable alt.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:46:06
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bitflipper
You all seem to be working from the assumption that SONAR is going to stop working on Friday.
Not me, Dave
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:50:28
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Hmmm, will reconsider Mixbus. I already have that. Are there any good BF specials on crossgrades from other DAWs?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:52:05
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Taurean Mixing
panup
I'm in the same situation as space_cowboy with an exception that I still run SONAR in Windows 7 and thus Microsoft's updates will most likely not prevent me from running SONAR as long as I want to.
However, I have to look for alternatives if development and maintenance is freezed. No need to do anything in a hurry but if SONAR 10.2017 is the last version in 2019 or 2020, I will look for alternatives.
Reaper - tested in 2014; I didn't like it at all.
S1 - tested in 2015. At that time SONAR won 6-0.
ProTools - I used it in early 2000's and have still no reason to go back to the past.
Cubase - was my alternative for SONAR in 2005. I went to SONAR because it worked and Cubase was unstable. Maybe, maybe.
Any thoughts on Samplitude?
I have tested in the past myself, seemed like a viable alt.
IMHO, Samplitude is very good . I'm also a Samp user ..Pro X 2 . The learning curve can be a little tough . As far as the DAW itself goes and the included plugs and tools ...it is a top shelf DAW  all the best, Kenny
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:55:02
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I have, for the most part, dropped all of the bundled plugs in SONAR and do not use Pro Channel, so I just need something that "feels" like SONAR, if you know what I mean.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:55:02
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Studio One gets alot of love, and many ditched PT over it.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:57:11
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☄ Helpfulby superdan54 2017/11/22 07:00:23
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no bitflipper, I think we are trying to secure our working future with a DAW that will have support in case there are compatibility issues, O/S issues, etc.
I get that. There is certainly the possibility that eventually Microsoft will break something and there'll be no one to fix it. Eventually. OTOH, I am still using Adobe Audition 3, which stopped development in 2007, as well as software development tools that date back to the 90's. I don't freak out when a vendor goes away, as long as they leave the software in a stable state and open up copy protections (like Adobe did for AA3). It's quite probable that SONAR will continue to meet my recording needs for life (admittedly, I have a bad heart, so that's not an overly optimistic prediction).
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 16:58:39
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Of the others I tried, Studio One would be my top choice. None of them took me away from Sonar, but if I had to switch, and it appears that is now going to be the case sooner or later, Studio One would be my choice.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:02:49
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bitflipper
Taurean Mixing
no bitflipper, I think we are trying to secure our working future with a DAW that will have support in case there are compatibility issues, O/S issues, etc.
I get that. There is certainly the possibility that eventually Microsoft will break something and there'll be no one to fix it. Eventually.
OTOH, I am still using Adobe Audition 3, which stopped development in 2007, as well as software development tools that date back to the 90's. I don't freak out when a vendor goes away, as long as they leave the software in a stable state and open up copy protections (like Adobe did for AA3). It's quite probable that SONAR will continue to meet my recording needs for life (admittedly, I have a bad heart, so that's not an overly optimistic prediction).
It is indeed always possible software continues to work no matter what. Unfortunately, in some working situations, it's a real gamble since you can't just switch instantly. There's learning and familiarizing oneself with the new software. Safeguarding that now ensures no downtime, etc. Sorry to hear the health issue.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:06:56
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299 USD to crossgrade to Studio One?
I think I'll be giving that a miss...
£85 for Artist sounds kinda okay, and would probably do for what I create nowadays... Might have a gander at that...
Ah... £42.60 when you add it to your cart...
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:11:02
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Strike that... Studio One Artist is 32 bit... Does that matter? I dunno, but I'm all 64 bit this end...
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:12:15
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Studio One is currently having a BF half price sale, FWIW.
I have used Cakewalk Products since the mid-90's. I enjoy using SPlat and would love to stick with it if there is any hope that development will continue at some point in the future. I am not at all confident that that is going to be the case.
Not all incompatibilities come from the OS. There are always new interfaces that won't support Sonar as well as new plugins and VSTi's.
Regards,
Dan
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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☄ Helpfulby Taurean Mixing 2017/11/21 17:15:14
I was a Samplitude user before I switched to SONAR (long story short, I used Logic on a PC until Windows updates started crippling it, and I chose SONAR for various reasons). I actually own a current version. It has a solid audio engine, but there still are a few features I personally need.
Any thoughts on Samplitude?
I have tested in the past myself, seemed like a viable alt.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:13:33
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:13:58
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Strike that... Studio One Artist is 32 bit... Does that matter? I dunno, but I'm all 64 bit this end...
32bit internal audio processing. It is 64bit as an application in Windows. Regards, Dan
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