TheSteven
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/29 15:40:48
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sharke I use Maxxbass all the time and find that when you use it correctly, it adds clarity to the bass and makes it sit in the mix better. It doesn't work in every situation, but there have been times when I've been tearing my hair out trying to get the bass to sound more intelligible and Maxxbass has worked wonders. Of course like most plugs, it's quite possible to dial in settings that make it sound worse, and I have no doubt that RBass is the same.
BTW If I came off in my previous post like I was dissing RBass or similar, that was not my intent. It's tool that now that I have it, I may find very useful at some point.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/29 16:13:49
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I get the sound I'm looking for without bass enhancers. It was nice of Waves to give it away, though.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 06:46:46
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I bought some of the renaissance stuff a while ago from waves, but it didn't include the bass so I'm very pleased - Thanks Waves
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 12:16:05
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sharke ...like most plugs, it's quite possible to dial in settings that make it sound worse, and I have no doubt that RBass is the same.
When trying out any new plugin, I always start with two assumptions: a) if it sounds bad, I'm probably not doing it right, and b) it's probably more capable than first impressions might indicate. But RBass only has two controls, not counting the output volume fader. The number of ways one might screw it up are few. I honestly think I pretty much exhausted all the possible combinations in the first ten minutes. I dropped RBass into at least a dozen projects. These were all finished songs where the bass had already been tweaked and massaged, so I started each test by bypassing all effects. I first listened to the bass track both in solo and in context with no processing, to get the original sound in my head. I then compared with RBass applied, and then with the original effects restored. In each case, I monitored with SPAN at the bottom of the fx bin in order to see what was happening with the spectrum as well as to aid in volume matching. I listened with main monitors and then with two different headphones. I repeated this test with many projects, although I admit they were all my own projects and therefore had some general commonality. I did not try it on, for example, any metal tunes or hip-hop. But within the constrained test set, there was not a single instance where RBass made the bass track sound better. In every case it took on a muffled, plastic tone, lost transients and lost its place in the mix. In every case the volume rose, requiring about a 6dB reduction to match volume with the original. On a couple projects, I also compared RBass to my most-used bass-warping tools: FabFilter Saturn, Voxengo LF Max Punch, Voxengo Boogex, and plain ol' compression and EQ. Granted, this is not an apples-to-apples comparison. Saturn gives you a ton of possibilities, including multi-band envelope shaping and dynamics expansion. Boogex is a distortion plugin with EQ and dynamics control. LF Max Punch probably comes closest to RBass, but has far more options. The justification for comparing these to RBass is that I use them all for bass treatment. In every case, RBass came in a distant fifth runner-up. I'll keep it around on the chance that someday the right track will come along that suits RBass. But as far as I can tell at this time, RBass is quite useless to me. If you disagree, I'd love to hear a before-and-after comparison clip that illustrates a marked improvement with RBass.
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ohgrant
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 13:10:55
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No disagreement here, tried it on a few things here too. Maybe one day I'll have a use for it but right now I have no need for a mud making plug. I don't recall Waves ever giving a free demo for a plug, I remember them giving away a basic version of their amp, GTR for free for one year, but not a plug. I have a feeling this freebie was given for the same reason IK gave away the EQ then the opto compressor. So people that were turned off by the past authorization process, experience their new authorization process. I imagine they picked their worst selling plug.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 13:23:33
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They gave away the Oneknob Louder plug last November.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 13:32:29
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bitflipper Been putting this plugin through its paces this morning, and all I can say is WOW...ever pull up next to some teenager's tricked-out Honda Civic at a light and marvel at the amorphous woofy sounds coming out of his trunk? Well, now you can have that same muddy, indistinct bass in your own tunes! Tired of hearing bass with identifiable notes? RBass is the answer you've been looking for!
If you know how to use it it's wonderful. If was getting the results that you are getting I would never use it. I use it all the time.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 14:00:38
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vintagevibe If you know how to use it it's wonderful. If was getting the results that you are getting I would never use it. I use it all the time.
I've heard this exact sentiment expressed many times. At one time I even considered paying full retail for RBass on the strength of such enthusiastic testimonials, and I was quite pleased when this freebie offer came along. But if there's a trick to "knowing how to use it", then please educate me!
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 14:12:21
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I tried the plug in as well and noticed that if you started pushing it at all things got increasingly muddier. Just before I was about to give up on it, I noticed that you could change frequencies. It looks like it opens on 80. I changed it to 100 and then to 120 and put just a touch on the track I was demoing. It seemed to add a little something, but not enough to overly impress me. I felt my ears were getting tired so i saved the session and thought I would revisit the track later.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 15:35:29
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I have two waves plugins...One Knob louder and now this one. I reinstalled waves to try this, but I'm about to delete it again. That waves cloud (I guess) makes Sonar's scan take forever and I just feel like Waves are over priced. I can't see me ever buying anything from them with the cost and the wup nonsense.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 16:03:28
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Scanning everything again so it picks up the rbass within Waves 'vst shell' is pita... Wasted 20 minutes trying to figure out what I did wrong!
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vintagevibe
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 16:16:08
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bitflipper
vintagevibe If you know how to use it it's wonderful. If was getting the results that you are getting I would never use it. I use it all the time.
I've heard this exact sentiment expressed many times. At one time I even considered paying full retail for RBass on the strength of such enthusiastic testimonials, and I was quite pleased when this freebie offer came along. But if there's a trick to "knowing how to use it", then please educate me!
For me the trick is having a specific goal and finding the best frequency. It can do wonders for snares by just adding a hint of depth but you have to find the right frequency for each snare. For my live show I play through a Fishman SA220 line array which doesn't have or actually need a sub for fat tight bass. But there is a lower limit that 6" speakers just cannot reproduce. For my backing tracks I can get low end that the speaker is not capable of. That is because the Renaissance Bass add the harmonics that the lower frequencies would create and my speakers can reproduce that. It's not a set and forget effect but with some experiementation it can do great things. YMMV yada yada yada ...
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/11/30 23:53:57
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vintagevibe
bitflipper
vintagevibe If you know how to use it it's wonderful. If was getting the results that you are getting I would never use it. I use it all the time.
I've heard this exact sentiment expressed many times. At one time I even considered paying full retail for RBass on the strength of such enthusiastic testimonials, and I was quite pleased when this freebie offer came along. But if there's a trick to "knowing how to use it", then please educate me!
For me the trick is having a specific goal and finding the best frequency. It can do wonders for snares by just adding a hint of depth but you have to find the right frequency for each snare. For my live show I play through a Fishman SA220 line array which doesn't have or actually need a sub for fat tight bass. But there is a lower limit that 6" speakers just cannot reproduce. For my backing tracks I can get low end that the speaker is not capable of. That is because the Renaissance Bass add the harmonics that the lower frequencies would create and my speakers can reproduce that. It's not a set and forget effect but with some experiementation it can do great things. YMMV yada yada yada ...
This is what Maxxbass does to, it's forte is in making bass more audible on smaller speakers.
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TheSteven
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 02:14:15
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Renaissance Bass is MaxxBass v2.0 with a new skin & fewer controls. This is supposedly a 2007 quote* from Waves: The Renaissance Bass technology is the 2nd-generation development from the patented MaxxBass algorithm, and uses the psychoacoustic properties of the hearing mechanism to increase perceived bass.*http://www.gearslutz.com/board/1656003-post12.html Here is the current description from Waves web page: Using Waves patented MaxxBass® psycho-acoustic technology, Renaissance Bass makes tightening up the low end easier than ever
plug-in links: http://www.waves.com/plugins/maxxbass http://www.waves.com/plugins/renaissance-bass
post edited by TheSteven - 2013/12/01 02:20:40
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 03:42:30
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The thing I like about Bit's testing is it's very thorough. Not just a "yeah I tried it, don't like it". I haven't messed with RenBass enough to come to a similar conclusion, but I'd bet all of Bapu's plugins that Bit doesn't have EZMix2
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 11:17:06
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Jeff M. ...I'd bet all of Bapu's plugins that Bit doesn't have EZMix2
You'd be right. I am saving up for DubTurbo, though.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 17:44:12
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Thanks Mike and VV, next time I try it out, I'll try it on something that needs thickening like a thin snare.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 19:27:35
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 20:29:18
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You're right Larry, I tried a few of those out a while back and liked them. $59 I could pass up, $41.30 I could not. Thanks again. That's it for me until closer to Christmas.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 21:20:16
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ohgrant You're right Larry, I tried a few of those out a while back and liked them. $59 I could pass up, $41.30 I could not. Thanks again. That's it for me until closer to Christmas.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 21:21:29
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Really, for the plugins contained in that package that is one crazy good deal.... That and CLA Signature for $69....wow...that's nutz...
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ohgrant
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 21:39:10
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Yea, I'd have to agree. Defiantly they delivered on the crazy deal pledge. Best deals I've seen from them on a Black Friday. Tap 2 was the main one I wanted from that, love it on vocals. Still a pretty ugly win 3.0 looking GUI, but sounds great.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/01 21:42:40
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And that's what's important...a nice GUI is always great...but sound is where it counts...
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/02 08:50:40
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sharke I use Maxxbass all the time and find that when you use it correctly, it adds clarity to the bass and makes it sit in the mix better. It doesn't work in every situation, but there have been times when I've been tearing my hair out trying to get the bass to sound more intelligible and Maxxbass has worked wonders. Of course like most plugs, it's quite possible to dial in settings that make it sound worse, and I have no doubt that RBass is the same.
Exactly. Don't put it on the mix unless you are trying to fix a bass problem. I find it incredibly useful in defining the kick and, occasionally, some bass parts. Regards, Dan
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/02 12:26:25
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bitflipper But if there's a trick to "knowing how to use it", then please educate me!
I've had the most success with RBass on kick drums that needed some extra oomph. Tuned to the right frequency, usually 50-60Hz, it can give a thin-sounding kick some real weight. Cheers, Eddie
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/02 12:39:55
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I decided to see what it would do in an actual mix instead of simply setting up tests. it definitely gave the kick more "oomph" but instantly the clarity on my low end was gone. I ended up taking another approach. I cloned the kick track, used a high pass on one and a low pass filter on the other, essentially splitting my kick into hig hand low. I used the Rbass on the low and a transient shaper on the high. I would have probably got a similar result by using a sidechain compressor to trigger a sine wave but this was slightly simpler.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/03 15:51:38
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I tested RBass with kick tracks, too, based on suggestions above. Be careful when testing that you level-match and at least test with eyes closed if you can't do a true blind A/B. I found that I had to lower an RBass-treated kick between 6 and 10 decibels to get the same volume (determined both by ear and by RMS meters) as the unprocessed track. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking something's been improved when in reality it's only been made louder. RBass did indeed add some fullness when the frequency was set to around 60Hz. However, Voxengo LF Max Punch did that, too - but without killing the attack transients like RBass does. My favorite method for beefing up kicks with low-frequency whump, though, is still layering a synth. This lets me precisely control how much whump, what frequency the whump centers on, how many harmonics to add to the whump, and the precise envelope of the whump. Assuming, of course, that a kick needs more whump.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/03 16:04:31
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Good advice. I have fallen into that trap. I know the teens at the studio I volunteer at fall into it all the time
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/06 08:33:26
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I agree with a couple of earlier posters. R Bass is a waste. I have bass rider, which I like, and I have Masserati Vocal, which I also like, but R Bass, meh. Waves install is so convoluted and screwed up, it took me 2 days to get the plugs back that I like after trying to install the worthless RBass. I'm going to stay away from Waves from now on.
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Re: Renaissance Bass - Free
2013/12/06 10:31:13
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Milt I'm going to stay away from Waves from now on.
And another one comes into the light.
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