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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 16:37:19
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It's great that everyone is being kind and charitable out of respect for the OP. But somebody's got to say it: the guy in the video is a fraud.
He is no mastering engineer, he is at best a mixer/producer with a decent grasp of compressors and an appreciation for techno. Check out the room: it's not a mastering room. Where are the mastering-quality speakers? OK, maybe they're in another room. To be fair, the video actually says very little about mastering, being more about knob-tweaking vintage synths and software emulations thereof. It's good that he despises synth presets, but that has nothing to do with mastering.
He pooh-poohs software compressors as if they are somehow inherently inferior to hardware. And then proceeds to demonstrate a DSP (that's "D" as in "Digital", as in "software") unit that emulates other compressors via IR files.
He dismisses multi-band compressors because they "completely squash a signal" - I have no idea where he got that notion. Makes me wonder if he understands what they really do or what they're used for.
He calls parallel compression a "complex process". It's not. Tastefully applying any compression is an art, but it's not technically complex. He's proud of himself for figuring it out, that's all.
He says he always asks for an MP3 before deciding if he will master a song. Mastering engineers would never ask for an MP3. Of course, he also says he cuts everything above 17KHz, so at least he's going for MP3 quality from the get-go.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 16:50:40
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It's great that everyone is being kind and charitable out of respect for the OP. But somebody's got to say it: the guy in the video is a fraud.
He is no mastering engineer, he is at best a mixer/producer with a decent grasp of compressors and an appreciation for techno. Check out the room: it's not a mastering room. Where are the mastering-quality speakers? OK, maybe they're in another room. To be fair, the video actually says very little about mastering, being more about knob-tweaking vintage synths and software emulations thereof. It's good that he despises synth presets, but that has nothing to do with mastering.
He pooh-poohs software compressors as if they are somehow inherently inferior to hardware. And then proceeds to demonstrate a DSP (that's "D" as in "Digital", as in "software") unit that emulates other compressors via IR files.
He dismisses multi-band compressors because they "completely squash a signal" - I have no idea where he got that notion. Makes me wonder if he understands what they really do or what they're used for.
He calls parallel compression a "complex process". It's not. Tastefully applying any compression is an art, but it's not technically complex. He's proud of himself for figuring it out, that's all.
He says he always asks for an MP3 before deciding if he will master a song. Mastering engineers would never ask for an MP3. Of course, he also says he cuts everything above 17KHz, so at least he's going for MP3 quality from the get-go. I don't think he's a fraud, although his 'mastering skillset' may be totally focused on electronic/club music. It's a very different process from mastering a lot of other musical styles, where the focus is more on lyrics and melodies, and not so much on the feel of a groove or the sound of a bassdrum through a club PA. The mix/master of a techno track is nearly as important as the composition itself...but if the sonic elements arent there to sculpt and enhance its pointless. This is what he meant by getting an MP3 first...not so much so he can listen to the recorded quality, but so he can tell if the right sonic components are there for him to work with. You make some valid points though - he contradicted himself a lot in that video and I wonder if everything he was saying was translated correctly for the subtitles. For instance - while I think real analog hardware is great, claiming those techniques can't be duplicated in software is kinda ludicrous. It might not sound identical, but the over all effect of pumping a track, etc will be very achievable with today's plugins. As mentioned above, I believe the point he was trying to make was that because its so accesible, its easily abused and this can be heard all over a lot of today's music.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 17:17:49
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ho droddey - i agree with you if you say from plain good (or lets say very good) to esoteric - i would not buy 1000$ cables ... but some people here do as if you could get a great sound out of a behringer desk with 2 dollar patch cables and a soundblaster card...i AM SURE you wont get a good sound out of it ... oi do not believe in esoteric stuff costing immense money but ii trust in well established high end equippment..
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 17:22:17
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again i think that those who claim cables make no difference are funny folks -
Contact James Randi, claim your 1 million dollar prize or shut-up. 
actually i guess you might be those who also claiming that a bad adda doesnt matter, a sucking pre is ok and a cheap guitar also can play music if you are good at it -- you must be real sticklers for detail 
Comparing measurable differences with snake oil doesn't speak much for your understanding...
i wouldnt want anyone of you master a track -
Oh so you don't want some of the top mastering engineers mastering your stuff? Allot of them don't buy the snake oil either.
and btw. since babicz is surely earning some good cash with his work, his opinion is anyway more relevant than that of some old grey-studio-panthers here -
Having a successful business in audio does not mean you understand the technicalities. Your logic is flawed. Those mentioning guitar cables don't seem to understand the difference between instrument level signals and line level signals. UnderTow
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 17:35:40
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper
He is no mastering engineer, he is at best a mixer/producer with a decent grasp of compressors and an appreciation for techno.
Agreed. But also agreed the video never really decides if it's profiling a "mastering engineer" or not, perhaps they confused it with "master engineer"?  Mastering, as it's known in it's current modern form, is pretty darned scientific. This guy flat out says "people send me their songs to run through all my yummy old gear to get 'my sound'. So I started asking for payment." Language barrier being what it is, I'll give the guy that his comments about parallel compression and "DSP Limiters" are slightly worded incorrectly, and that I think what he's talking about is the "quick and dirty" way of jacking a level to make it slam and how that ruins dynamics. Still, he really is just the techno guy who spent more time with the compressors and the final boost in level than any of his peers, so they dump all that work to him because "Hey man, you GOTTA get your stuff mastered... it's PRO". And again to reference along with you, his dismissal of multi-band compression is very strange to me. When properly utilized, a multi-band compressor is far kinder to your dynamics and infinitely more powerful (well, I reckon as many more times powerful as you have bands ) It's funny how the home studio revolution is now producing a whole new generation of "experts" in areas they really don't know all the much. Don't get me wrong, I don't know that much about complex audio processing either, but that's why I use the services of a Mastering Engineer who knows what they're doing. But again, I love his Germanic snobbiness. That kind of dismissiveness is one of a kind.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 17:42:40
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ORIGINAL: bitflipper
He pooh-poohs software compressors as if they are somehow inherently inferior to hardware. And then proceeds to demonstrate a DSP (that's "D" as in "Digital", as in "software") unit that emulates other compressors via IR files.
Some more info on this: The Synthifex, Liquid Channel and Liquid mix use a regular digital compressor to control dynamics. The dynamic convolution part does not have any effect on the dynamics. The only thing it does is look at the signal level and uses that to determine which of the 128 IR's to apply to the signal. This way the level of distortion in the emulations follows the signal levels just as the levels of distortion of the emulated devices is dependant on the signal level. Again, the actual dynamics are controlled by a regular old digital compressor... The "dynamic" in "dynamic convolution" is about dynamically following the signal level. Not about controlling the dynamics of the signal.
He calls parallel compression a "complex process". It's not. Tastefully applying any compression is an art, but it's not technically complex. He's proud of himself for figuring it out, that's all.
In his defence, I think all he was saying is that doing parallel compression without a device that has it built in, can be complex.
He says he always asks for an MP3 before deciding if he will master a song. Mastering engineers would never ask for an MP3.
I don't know about that. A high bit rate MP3 should reveal any glaring issues in a mix. After that a 24 bit wave can be sent for the actual mastering.
Of course, he also says he cuts everything above 17KHz, so at least he's going for MP3 quality from the get-go.
Yeah that is a bit of a strange default procedure for mastering...  UnderTow
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 17:49:46
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ho droddey - i agree with you if you say from plain good (or lets say very good) to esoteric - i would not buy 1000$ cables ... but some people here do as if you could get a great sound out of a behringer desk with 2 dollar patch cables and a soundblaster card...
Who? When? Where? No one did such a thing. People are just saying that boutique cables are bogus. The rest is just your projection. A 2$ cable is actually all that is needed... Any cable that is within specs that gives "a sound" is by definition a broken cable so any of these companies that makes claims about (line level) cables is either talking non-sense or is admitting that their cables are broken by design. Not exactly what you want in the studio unless you use it as an effect. (Just setup some impedance mismatch if you want a "sound". No need to spend more than a couple of dollars on that). But hey, feel free to become a millionaire. No one is stopping you and your *cough* golden *cough* ears. UnderTow
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 17:53:07
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Ooops. Double post
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 17:56:06
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Smart guy, but what a weirdo! Personally, I would never pay a goober like that to master any of my stuff. I'll stick to my mastering plugins and/or send it out to get mastered... unless I start writing dance music... maybe then he can have a go!
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 18:18:18
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just thought I'd add..
what we read in the subtitles is pretty BS... what he is actually saying is different..
so my German friend tells me and he speaks very good english also.. and he is talking sense.. although the subtitles give a different impressions.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 18:25:30
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Subtitles are always the kindergarten version of what's being said I think. If you watch the foreign language subtitles of a movie in your native language, it's highly simplified usually. Reminds me of that scene in Lost In Translation, when he's doing the liquor commercial.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 18:29:40
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ORIGINAL: Fog
just thought I'd add..
what we read in the subtitles is pretty BS... what he is actually saying is different..
so my German friend tells me and he speaks very good english also.. and he is talking sense.. although the subtitles give a different impressions.
He clearly says API but it gets subtitled to EPI. I'm guessing it is translated by a German speaker. Not a native English speaker. UnderTow
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 18:30:57
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Everyone who is thinks they can use "mastering" plug-ins to make their mix sound better...please watch this video.
http://www.vimeo.com/808485
I believe Robert was saying that the accessibility of mastering plug ins would result in people sending in projects with the dynamics sqeezed out of them so mastering after the fact could not be done effectively. I didn't get the impression he was saying the plug ins themselves were bad quality dynamics controls. By the way I LOVE PRESETS!!! I have never been interested in programming synths. I leave that to the big boys in the lab (maybe I even have sounds from some of you guys). I respect the guys who program but I like to put my time into the melody and the lyrics and the chords, track my modest creations, and slap on some good old fashion plug ins.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 18:41:38
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something smelled of an old fish under the shed to me when he stated that he only masters "good music"
all the while electronic noise pumped in the background...
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 19:09:46
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Good thing I'm German, so I can tell when some of what he was saying got lost in translation. I think when he spoke of limiters, he meant it ... master bus, or final product, he's not a big fan of them. As far as the presets deal ... he hates when people use them out of the box without doing anything to it, to the point where you can tell what preset it is and from what machine it came from, when even some slight knob turning can radically change the sound of a preset. I love presets! They give you an idea of what the synth is capable of, but I have yet to find a preset that I did not have to tweak to fit my taste. ... and don't get me started on the whole cable issue. There's a whole lot of snake oil being sold. *cough* Monster *clearing throat* OK, that's better. You can take some cheap extension cord, strip the ends, and you have a great speaker cable. Double-blind test after double-blind test prove that this is all a bunch of bu humbug. If you need to buy $20,000 cables to make your music sound better, please stop making music.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 20:09:39
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You know what, people are entitled to their own opinions. I have gotten sick and tired of those on this forum who have decided that in order to feel manly enough have to attack and insult others. I am done, this forum has gone from useful and courteous to rude and people thinking they are somesort of know everything gods... Well hope you are wealthy and famous musicians/engineers with all that knowledge... Yes I do understand the difference between instrument level and line level, but I guess all those top studios wired with mogami and the likes are just full of stupid engineers (who have gold and platinum albums to their names). Please, Mr. Undertow, enlighten us about your great musical success.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 20:41:25
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Musical success doesn't allow one to break the laws of physics. If I was building a professional studio, I might also use Mogami cables. They aren't super-expensive or anything, because it's just as important to make the customer feel good that everything is top notch, even if it makes no real difference to the end product. Plenty of studios buy huge speakers that the seldom use themselves, they just use them to impress potential customers. But I have no illusions that if you replaced the Mogamis with Hosa or some other middle of the road product that anyone is going to hear any difference at all.
The problem is that people who use these cables say they hear differences, but never pass blind tests. It doesn't take a lot of these before you start realizing that people are enormously prone to self-suggestion when it comes to these things. They really do believe that they hear differences. And that's fine if they want to believe it. But it can't be allowed to go unchallenged by science and the ongoing proof of blind tests that always prove that people cannot hear any differences in reality.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 21:17:00
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I don't know why there are such extreme opinions being expressed over this video.
1) The guy is working within a very narrow stylistic range.
2) He's not a "pro" in the sense of having an official education in engineering. He's a musician who transitioned into a different area.
3) His comments about plug-ins were making the point that he gets mixes that are already compressed, which lessens the usefulness of his input. It wasn't about the usefulness of those plug-ins themselves.
If anything, this guy is an example of how traditional notions of mastering have weakened. He's (apparently) not "trained", and he's got a very idiosyncratic approach that applies specifically to one style of music. He also appears to be doing things that go beyond the scope of mastering, in the sense that he's purposefully having a big impact on the finished sound beyond the original mix.
As for synth presets, I generally agree with him, although it depends on the preset you're using and what you're doing with it. When you're talking about a fully electronic style, I think it's a very relevant criticism. If you're doing "electronica" and you use a bunch of obvious presets, you should lose points for originality.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 21:21:28
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Musical success doesn't allow one to break the laws of physics. +1 for Dean!
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 21:46:54
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to: droddey Much the same arguments as with the effect of advertising. Many agree that advertising works. Just on everyone else not me. Ha ha. I work in the health care field and the amount of snake oil being sold there is alarming. Why, basically people want to believe that what they're being told and sold works. Ah! The placebo effect. I feel better now. Because I want to. See I told you I feel better now. just having a bit of fun. No offense intended.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 21:50:12
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Did you spill something on your keyboard, or are you just happy to chat with me?
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 21:59:49
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I sure learned one thing today... That Greg Calbi dude is unbelievably boring. I'm going to play a Woody Allen movie in a separate window and listen with my eyes closed, try to pick out who is saying what.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 22:03:16
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Well, this has been fascinating. What I got from the video is that he is asking people not to send him an already heavily compressed mix to the mastering engineer. Simple as that. If you are going to go to the trouble and expense of hiring a professional to master your stuff, then send the ME something he can work with. Keep the limiters and compressors off the master bus, and get the mix sounding as good as you can, then hand it over to a pro to bring out all the best in your music, and if you desire, make it loud. That is all I was hoping to get across. Nothing more. Didn't mean to imply that all mastering software is garbage. Didn't mean to imply that you can't do it yourself if that makes you happy. It's your music, you can do whatever the hell you want with it. Who cares what cables he uses? Good grief! He says all kinds of interesting stuff and that's what you take out of it? Talk about missing the point. Man this place is tense. I'm not bothering to post here again. I am sadly being reminded of why I stopped posting here in the first place. Best of luck in all your endeavors people.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 22:14:32
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OK...so what did everyone think of the mastering?
Yes, it's certainly louder! To me, the musical quality of the piece changed drastically. It sounded great up loud...good for clubs. I missed the intimate feeling of the original. At a softer level, it sounded "masked". Where I work, we send stuff out to 3 or 4 different mastering engineers. One is a guitar player, and everything comes out a bit like Rob's stuff...uber phat, uber tube-ish. He uses Manley Slam, Neve 1073's, lot's of tubes. At the other end, is Mr. Digital Equipment Designer. Uber clean, pristine, lovely, but maybe a little cold. There are a couple who fit in between. We spend a lot of thought matching the music to the engineer.
My feeling is that these are all tools. I love Ozone at times, even though it can be edgy as hell. Sometimes none of my analog compressors is right....too "poofy". Other times a Summit TL100 is vocal orgasm.
Damn....I LOVE having toys!
Again, what did y'all think of the mastering?
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 22:40:23
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Actually cables can affect the sound of analog gear. A couple of years ago by chance I used a different guitar cable and all of a sudden I thought someone had changed the settings on my amp. I checked them and they were the same, so I went out and bought 2 or 3 different brands just to check (Mogami, Monster, PLanet Waves and some others). In the end, as much as I don't like the way the company operates, I ended up getting the Monster Rock cables cause for some reason, to my ears, they color the sound of my Les Paul and my Strat with the effect chain and my eamp in a way that I really like. And mind you, the differences were not subtle. So I can see how cabling within the studio environment can make a difference. Uh Oh! Guess he won't be boycotting Monster Cable. 
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 22:50:02
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some old grey-studio-panthers here Wait a minute! You're talking about me! If you were here I'd crack your knuckles with my walker, you whippersnapper!
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 22:55:06
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Uh Oh! Guess he won't be boycotting Monster Cable. Funny! Actually, I'm not fond of Monster Cable, and I'd consider boycotting them. I had a similar studio experience, but MC was the nasty cable. Well, I guess I just blew my Monster Cable endorsement. Eddie
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 22:59:42
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Saw this thread earlier and thought it might evolve into an interesting discussion but now I'm reading about CABLES? And somehow this guy's a fraud? C'mon people - focus.
I found his viewpoint fascinating but that may come from my naivete. I'd never heard of layering a bunch of compressors before and his views on multiband compressors was, at the very least, interesting and worth listening to IMHO.
Did anyone listen to his pre-mastered and post mastered work? The mastered version was certainly louder and it seems to fit his desired venue i.e. clubs and it also seems to fit the desired result of some mastering technicians - loud and punchy. I've read a lot from folks here trying to achieve loud and punchy from their mixes. Is this guy that far off?
It's not my genre of music but do you think he could add some mastering punch and sizzle to a different genre or is he truly just a fraud with the wrong kind of speakers?
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 23:05:32
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The way I look at it is let them spend money on what ever they want. So what if its a waste of good money. Those that have this view that there is some magic in a brand of cable let them go on believing that. What is sad is that some one that is touted as an engineer is giving out this misinformation. Yes old guys are a little harder to fool. You see we have seen it so many times before. Its funny that this all started when brands names became so prominent in cabling. There was a time when you bought cables with no names on them at all. They worked and still do. Today, all things have a logo or name. How many of you wear T shirts with a brand pasted on it? You are a walking billboard. Not only are you paying for it but you are helping to advertise it as well.
If this keeps up it wont be long before we see studios saying we have brand such and such cables as a hook to get the unwashed in their doors.
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RE: Robert Babicz on mastering
2008/05/13 23:40:35
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ORIGINAL: UnderTow
Some more info on this: The Synthifex, Liquid Channel and Liquid mix use a regular digital compressor to control dynamics.
The dynamic convolution part does not have any effect on the dynamics. The only thing it does is look at the signal level and uses that to determine which of the 128 IR's to apply to the signal. This way the level of distortion in the emulations follows the signal levels just as the levels of distortion of the emulated devices is dependant on the signal level. Again, the actual dynamics are controlled by a regular old digital compressor...
The "dynamic" in "dynamic convolution" is about dynamically following the signal level. Not about controlling the dynamics of the signal.
not true. effect on the dynamics is clearly different using the various models, even with the same settings.
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