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Re: SONAR Lexington Update - Sneak preview available
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This is great stuff. Go Cake!
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2015/12/18 17:47:44
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Beepster Lexington has not been released yet. This is just a preview (AFAIK).
Correct. I'm hearing rumors of before Christmas...
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2015/12/18 17:55:53
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Anderton
Beepster Lexington has not been released yet. This is just a preview (AFAIK).
Correct. I'm hearing rumors of before Christmas...
I'm fond of xmas presents!
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I'm hoping that the Arpeggiator-hanging-on-playback bug gets fixed sometime because that's the only major show-stopping bug I'm still encountering. Otherwise the latest updates have been great!
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Yeah, Sonar update for Christmas!!!! On a serious note: Thank you Cake Bakers for all your hard work and dedication to our beloved Sonar.
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Merry Christmas Cakers.... You guys are appreciated.
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Craig, I'd be interested in that fancy dancy chord library you made, I'd even pay for it. :-) The workflow sounds very interesting!
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Great forum and creators!
Lots of things said here that I too am grateful for...
The Bakers... Optimizing the program as often and well as they do is amazing...and yes, with the quality of the whole package it leaves few needs and lots of tools to aid us in our musical creations. Great work!
Craig... Amazing man! Though I think there must be three of him to get done all he does! Talented artist and continually searching and sharing. We are very lucky indeed to have him in our community...
Party Craig? I like that idea... If I win PCH this month I'll make one too!
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One more update before the x-mas break! Woo-Hoo! Many thanks to the bakers and to Craig! A very happy holidays to all!
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Ripwolf One more update before the x-mas break! Woo-Hoo! Many thanks to the bakers and to Craig! A very happy holidays to all!
Another +1 on all counts!
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John I am very glad this was said. To a certain degree we take Graig for granted. Sort of a Sonar perk for Sonar users. I like to think Mr. Anderton is our secrete weapon that no one else has. We owe him so much there is no way to repay him.
hear that Graig ? I guess that means no Christmas bonus for you....sorry
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Things have certainly turned for the better since Gibson took over ! We've had a great year with those updates and the eZine is a favorite read. Thank you all at Cakewalk - you're doing a grand job ... keep at it To all my fellow Walkers, have a great Xmas and an even better and successful 2016 ! Craig, youz the man ! "The SPlatters"
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When does Craig rest? So much work every month. Thanks Craig
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Anderton As to Lexington, big thumbs up to Cakewalk for emphasizing optimizations. While perhaps not as sexy as new features these are making a big (or to quote Donald Trump, a HUGE and AMAZING) difference in my day-to-day work.
This! While on some level better designed, neither Cubase nor StudioOne perform half as well on Windows as Sonar does. In fact, the last song I did in Cubase was, by the end, impossible to tweak without freezing every channel and setting the latency to max. I get the sense that both of those DAWs are written first and foremost for mac. In Sonar, meanwhile, projects of equal complexity require no tweaking or murderous rage at all. There are still incredibly "dumb" things Sonar does, but it does enough of the important things really well.
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Anderton As to Lexington, big thumbs up to Cakewalk for emphasizing optimizations. While perhaps not as sexy as new features these are making a big (or to quote Donald Trump, a HUGE and AMAZING) difference in my day-to-day work.
This! While on some level better designed, neither Cubase nor StudioOne perform half as well on Windows as Sonar does. In fact, the last song I did in Cubase was, by the end, impossible to tweak without freezing every channel and setting the latency to max. I get the sense that both of those DAWs are written first and foremost for mac. In Sonar, meanwhile, projects of equal complexity require no tweaking or murderous rage at all. There are still incredibly "dumb" things Sonar does, but it does enough of the important things really well.
Agreed on how efficient Sonar has become on Windows. And with the next version to probably improve on that performance is certainly welcome. When the DAW can become more of a machine and less software-feeling, it's more likely this can find its way into more professional environments. I'll admit I've been seriously considering PT12, but I don't believe they are all that on Windows (reading forums), and Sonar is far more intuitive--one of the main attributes that attracted me to X1. The only thing left (I mean the ONLY thing!) that keeps me looking at PT is the larger faders and dual pan knobs. I'm honestly and genuinely surprised this hasn't been baked yet into Sonar. When you look at the pictures in catalogs, this is the one thing that appears lacking compared to other competing products. People mention Duckbar to me often, but I prefer not to use home-brewed add-ons like that.
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brconflict The only thing left (I mean the ONLY thing!) that keeps me looking at PT is the larger faders and dual pan knobs. I'm honestly and genuinely surprised this hasn't been baked yet into Sonar.
Dual pan controls in Sonar track strip would be a very welcome addition. Yet I don't get the idea behind long throw faders. How can this make Sonar more useful and efficient?
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brconflict The only thing left (I mean the ONLY thing!) that keeps me looking at PT is the larger faders and dual pan knobs. I'm honestly and genuinely surprised this hasn't been baked yet into Sonar.
Dual pan controls in Sonar track strip would be a very welcome addition. Yet I don't get the idea behind long throw faders. How can this make Sonar more useful and efficient?
Just as the other DAW's have larger faders for their own reasons, mine would be making frequent, minute adjustments. Many times, I find myself editing the value of the fader, vs. moving it. Just sneeze and you've gone to far with an adjustment. CTRL+Click-drag the fader is useful, but a work-around. Automation envelope recording by fader movements would be much simpler, for sure. When automating via fader movements by hand, it's often I have to go back and edit the envelopes. Very often. This is one of the most rooted adjustments in any mix. For marketing alone, it should also be the most welcoming, IMO. I'd like to have larger faders vs. the trick of Ctrl+drag the faders for more accurate movements. Or even both.
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☄ Helpfulby AntonyBanderos 2015/12/22 12:37:27
brconflict I'd like to have larger faders vs. the trick of Ctrl+drag the faders for more accurate movements. Or even both.
Thanks for your reply. I tend to set volumes roughly by dragging faders and then adjust by typing a value. Although I would rather just mouse-wheel values like it's done in Magix Movie editor. 1. Hover mouse over a fader - you get a rough adjustment. 2. Hover mouse over a value- you get a fine adjustment. PS Probably it should be posted in FR forum. PPS Isn't it Shift+drag for finer adjustment?
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Soundwise
brconflict I'd like to have larger faders vs. the trick of Ctrl+drag the faders for more accurate movements. Or even both.
Thanks for your reply. I tend to set volumes roughly by dragging faders and then adjust by typing a value. Although I would rather just mouse-wheel values like it's done in Magix Movie editor. 1. Hover mouse over a fader - you get a rough adjustment. 2. Hover mouse over a value- you get a fine adjustment.
 PS Probably it should be posted in FR forum. PPS Isn't it Shift+drag for finer adjustment?
I would really like that. You should FR that one. An easy way to get fine control without chewing up screen space.
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☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2015/12/22 18:59:00
Soundwise Dual pan controls in Sonar track strip would be a very welcome addition.
brconflict The only thing left (I mean the ONLY thing!) that keeps me looking at PT is the larger faders and dual pan knobs. I'm honestly and genuinely surprised this hasn't been baked yet into Sonar. Can't do anything about the faders (other than Shift+Drag), but see the next "Friday's Tip of the Week" for how to integrate dual panpots directly into one, more, or all Console view channel strips. Of course, we'll also take it further, so you'll have better control over the stereo imaging than any other DAW.
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☄ Helpfulby SF_Green 2015/12/21 21:38:24
Soundwise I tend to set volumes roughly by dragging faders and then adjust by typing a value. Although I would rather just mouse-wheel values like it's done in Magix Movie editor. 1. Hover mouse over a fader - you get a rough adjustment. 2. Hover mouse over a value - you get a fine adjustment.
Actually, SONAR's mouse wheel behavior comes very close to doing that: 1. Hover mouse over a fader - you get a rough adjustment. 2. Hover mouse over a value while holding shift - each mouse wheel click changes the fader value by 0.1 dB.
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Anderton Actually, SONAR's mouse wheel behavior comes very close to doing that: 1. Hover mouse over a fader - you get a rough adjustment. 2. Hover mouse over a value while holding shift - each mouse wheel click changes the fader value by 0.1 dB.
Um...wow. THANKS for that. I LOVE it.
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☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2015/12/22 18:59:04
Midiboy
Anderton Actually, SONAR's mouse wheel behavior comes very close to doing that: 1. Hover mouse over a fader - you get a rough adjustment. 2. Hover mouse over a value while holding shift - each mouse wheel click changes the fader value by 0.1 dB.
Um...wow. THANKS for that. I LOVE it. Glad you like it! The issue often isn't that SONAR can't do something...the issue is finding out how to do it. That's the same for all deep software, though. Not sure what the solution is, other than amassing experience.
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Anderton The issue often isn't that SONAR can't do something...the issue is finding out how to do it.
I can't find it in the manual... Thanks for the tip Craig, as I said in another post I learn something/s new here every day and this has been going on for years. Lucky for us you experienced people keep sharing. Shift-drag also works on the gain knob, vocal sync, surround panner, V-Vocal,...
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Midiboy
Anderton Actually, SONAR's mouse wheel behavior comes very close to doing that: 1. Hover mouse over a fader - you get a rough adjustment. 2. Hover mouse over a value while holding shift - each mouse wheel click changes the fader value by 0.1 dB.
Um...wow. THANKS for that. I LOVE it. Glad you like it! The issue often isn't that SONAR can't do something...the issue is finding out how to do it. That's the same for all deep software, though. Not sure what the solution is, other than amassing experience.
Agreed, but what I'm asking for the ability to divorce the less-than-obvious with a more obvious approach. For example, the meters next to the faders are adjustable in range, but you don't see/know that unless you right-click on the meter. Presonus took the approach I wouldn't have guessed, but makes so much sense: allowing me to stretch that whole section of fader, meter, etc. into whatever size you want. But I'd think Sonar would benefit from at least some form of choice in fader/meter height based on even simpler form. For example, when you change the scale of the meter in console view, perhaps, instead of sacrificing the lower levels of the meter, simply expand the size of the meter and fader to a greater height.
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Needed a SONAR BIBLE [with maximum search facility, offline (not through net connected CC), portable across devices]
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Paul P Shift-drag also works on the gain knob, vocal sync, surround panner, V-Vocal,...
Shift Drag is what I usually do, but I'm glad Craig shared the Shift Wheel thing with us, because it makes fine tuning easier and quicker.
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/12/30 10:00:11
brconflict But I'd think Sonar would benefit from at least some form of choice in fader/meter height based on even simpler form. For example, when you change the scale of the meter in console view, perhaps, instead of sacrificing the lower levels of the meter, simply expand the size of the meter and fader to a greater height. I think the issue with most DAWs is the paradigm of hardware emulation. For example, I've often thought that software faders might be better as vertical arcs, so you would have much more fader travel in the same amount of height. Inside the arc, you could have mute, solo, pan, and a "short form" version of the channel processing with a fly-out for more detail (similar to how the ProChannel works in Console View). The channel strips would be wider, but they would also be shorter, so you could have rows of faders stacked above each other...that sort of thing...of course it may or may not be useable in practice, but we need to break out of "hardware thinking." As another example, if a channel goes into the red, why not have the entire fader turn red instead of a little "virtual LED"?
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thank you for your hard work to the bakers and mr anderton well done guys thanks eric
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Anderton
brconflict But I'd think Sonar would benefit from at least some form of choice in fader/meter height based on even simpler form. For example, when you change the scale of the meter in console view, perhaps, instead of sacrificing the lower levels of the meter, simply expand the size of the meter and fader to a greater height. I think the issue with most DAWs is the paradigm of hardware emulation. For example, I've often thought that software faders might be better as vertical arcs, so you would have much more fader travel in the same amount of height. Inside the arc, you could have mute, solo, pan, and a "short form" version of the channel processing with a fly-out for more detail (similar to how the ProChannel works in Console View). The channel strips would be wider, but they would also be shorter, so you could have rows of faders stacked above each other...that sort of thing...of course it may or may not be useable in practice, but we need to break out of "hardware thinking." As another example, if a channel goes into the red, why not have the entire fader turn red instead of a little "virtual LED"?
Although the classic hardware look was one of the main reasons I chose Sonar (ease of view), and I still miss the X1 Light color scheme, which was classy, I wouldn't dispute an abstraction from the hardware look/feel. I won't do Duckbar, but I would welcome some other options natively. I think there's a balance. Even PT has a rigid, dim look/appeal to it with old colors that people just recognize vs. appeal to. Albeit these are both easy-to-view screens. But much like Cakewalk allows you now to expand the FX bin and Sends areas, it might not be the most difficult thing to apply this type of change to the fader boxes. That's my hope, anyway. To add to the whole fader turning red, why not a heat-detection in the meter or fader, where it starts glowing orange like the eye of a stove when the signal is averaging hot, then "pop smoke" for an over my illuminating an LED on the fader itself or turning the fader red vs. Orange. I like the idea of getting your attention with an over, though. Certainly would make it more (usefully) annoying to endure vs. a tiny LED.
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