Guitarpima
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 15:02:57
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TBH, who cares if they didn't make their release date? I would rather it be done right rather than have it released and not work. Yeah it's a pain to be told it's going to be released and then not be. I think it's more to do with impatience than anything. Why miss what you don't have in the first place?
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 15:14:27
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Guitarpima
Why miss what you don't have in the first place?
IIRC it's 64bit that most wanted "years" ago. I did not (and do not) see it as missing something. The rants, IMO, were based on need of 64bit. FIN
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IK_Multimedia
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 15:18:25
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MGC59
You sound like another IK-planted fanboy.
The only people affiliated with IK here are Obi and myself. We planted nobody, I'm sorry that people pointing out that the aggression toward us was a bit over the top makes you think that but just because it makes you think that doesn't make it true. People that disagree with you and that are OK with IK aren't instantly plants, people are entitled to disagree with your point of view without such accusations. I think this is pretty much the type of thing they were saying was a bit over the top. Conspiracy theories are still conversation, though, so carry on. I get it - you don't like IK. I think we can all move on and move forward with that in mind. IK is - SampleTank 3 is coming in July 2014 and that's how we are. If you have no interest in it, that's cool. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. Onward and upward. Edit to add the link to SampleTank 3 preorder information for those interested: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/?item_id=4109
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 15:26:43
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Personally, I think the problem is that some people allowed their understandable frustration and quite legitimate criticisms of lack of 64bit, delays, delays, delays, etc. turn into incessant whining about every single thing IK ever did.
From my perspective, mixing that sort of petty whining with legitimate criticism only weakens the way the otherwise legitimate criticism is perceived. IOW, if you have a strong point to make then don't weaken it with lesser or irrelevant arguments.
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 15:40:15
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MGC59
Dubdisciple - Vicious attacks? IK deserved everything they got. They did themselves no favors by stirring the pot with snarky comments and lying about release dates.
This isn't a lynch mob. Go back and read the old threads. You sound like another IK-planted fanboy.
Yes, vicious attacks. I made no claim one way or the other as to whether they were merited. I commented on how they handled them. Mosy companies would not bother. Waves amd iLok catch a lot of flack on these forums too but don't bother to come here to at least present things from their perspective. As far as the fanboy comments, your tactic of ad hominem attacks on me just demonstrates your lynch mob mentality. If someone says something you disagree with you feel the need to insult or dismiss with adidisparaging label. I am not in anyway affiliated with IK and have hardly said a word condemning or praising them. ST 2 XL barely gets used by me because itbis flakey using bitbridge. I just made a comment on how they handled endless venom. I have seen companies screw up far worse and not get the consistent attacks. IMHO this is mostly because they have the fortitude, care or idiocy to keep coming back for more. Most companies would have quit responding long ago, especially on another company's forum. If that makes me a fanboy, oh well. All I can do is laugh at the moronic logic that would lead someone to that conclusion.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 15:48:14
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I said that the guy sounded like an IK-plant. There always seems to be one or two commenters that chime in that they "don't know what all the fuss is about". "The IK guys seem pretty cool". Hence my plant observation.
Peter and Obi, it was suggested that you guys stay out of this forum until you have an actual product to sell. Pre sale is not an actual tangible product. It seems you have managed to slither back in here with presales, pricing and promises.
It is Freaking June 17th and you still have not delivered. You say ST3 is coming in July...you've said similar things before and you have never delivered. As of right now you still haven't delivered.
I do like IK products. I don't like lying corporate shills. I don't like IK liars that come into these forums and make snarky comments and then act like the victim.
GTFO and come back when the ST3 is actually available. This is not the 1st time you have been told this.
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dubdisciple
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 15:56:04
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And I say stay and ignore people who dont speak for all of us. I would much rather have dialogue with a company...even one that HAS disappointed us then no convo at all. How a guy with perhaps 10 posts EVER regarding IK and daily posts for years about everything else seems like a plant is laughable. Then again the type of mind that would jump to that conclusion is the last one you should pay any heed to.
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 15:59:47
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A bit of advice, for what it is worth. If someone does decide to pre-order?.... Get it from someone like Sweetwater and you will not be charged until the product is available. IK's site says you WILL be charged at the time of pre-order.
Still don't understand the pre-order thing except, in IK's case, it brings revenue in immediately for a product that still is not available...
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IK_Multimedia
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 16:00:19
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MGC59: I believe this forum has an ignore feature that you are free to use. I do appreciate your kind offer but I will not be bullied off of the forum just because you feel IK should not be here. Nobody is forcing you to read threads about IK and again you can use the ignore function to block us out if you wish. Other than that, I hope you have a great day but it will not be made great by us leaving. You can suggest all you want, but we're not breaking any rules. One could suggest that people who make blunt accusations thinly disguised as "observations" should find somewhere else to go but that too would be quite rude. You have zero authority to tell to us to do or not do anything here, especially not to leave until some arbitrary condition you made up is met so kindly find another target who may succumb to your bullying or better yet perhaps not bullying at all would be a pretty cool thing. Not my call though, so carry on as you wish. I feel I was quite pleasant and helpful in this thread and others recently, so here I shall stay. Have a wonderful day. Edit - and I do realize you do not speak for everybody, thankfully.
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dubdisciple
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 16:01:24
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I'm not a fan of pre-order either so sweetwater is definitely the way to go. Besides for a 33 gig product I want a box
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:16:25
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This is a CAKEWALK forum not IK last time I checked.
We've had this chat with you before. You are a vendor who gets to offer your wares here.
I will say and observe as I please. If you think I'm bullying you that's your problem. I assure you I am not.
There is a big difference between an observation and an accusation.
The fact is you still don't have the product and you are still a liar.
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dubdisciple
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:20:40
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MGC59
This is a CAKEWALK forum not IK last time I checked.
We've had this chat with you before. You are a vendor who gets to offer your wares here.
I will say and observe as I please. If you think I'm bullying you that's your problem. I assure you I am not.
There is a big difference between an observation and an accusation.
The fact is you still don't have the product and you are still a liar.
Last time I checked, CAKEWALK did not appoint bullies to proclaim who can and can't post here.
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IK_Multimedia
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:23:08
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MGC59: LOL @ the "we"... So you do think you speak for everybody or some group. How sweet. Thanks for such interest in our threads, if you don't like us, you are free not to read the threads and again can block us. It is quite simple, if you'd like me to send you some screenshots on how to do it please let me know. Bottom line is you have zero authority to tell us to do anything here so I'm sorry to say that I can no longer help you and since you rudely told me to "GTFO", I can and will now tell you in kind to go pound salt. Enjoy your day, and type into a vacuum from here on in as I am under no obligation to converse with people who treat me rudely (and basically swear though hidden behind an acronym). ...and I DO have the product. Sorry you don't. For the sake of our support staff and others you may interact with in the future I hope it stays that way, personally. Edit - though I truly hope that venting your aggression in IK threads has helped you in some way.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:35:28
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So you're labeling me a bully? You've already said my logic is moronic. Sounds like we're on the playground here, Mr. ad hominem.
If you're not an IK fan boy or a plant then you have nothing to worry about. My observation is , as you said, incorrect and can be dismissed. It seems we did that with the exception of your witty retorts.
As for Lie K Multimedia, we go back a ways. That's between myself & them.
As I said before, if you like please feel free to go back and read the old threads if you want to see why people are so bent. This goes back a long time.
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rtucker55
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:37:27
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Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:40:34
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Hey IK genius "We" means Peter, Obi and myself.....
I do NOT speak for everyone.
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IK_Multimedia
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:41:36
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rtucker55
IK reported.
I'll take care of reporting someone telling me to "GTFO" too, thanks for the reminder. Edit - and for what? I didn't swear, tell anybody to leave, or do anything against the rules so... Thanks, I guess. It isn't a conversation if it is one person telling us to leave. And it will no longer be a conversation as I clearly stated in my 100% valid, non-abusive, no-swearing, and rule-abiding post so no worries going forward.
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rtucker55
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:47:18
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I hope others start reporting your posts as I plan to every time you post from this date. You're just coming back here to cause trouble and getting your jollies out of it. Change your name to 'Skeeter', 'Chigger', or 'fruit fly' as that is how you behave.
You're quite welcome. Have a nice day.
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IK_Multimedia
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:52:14
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rtucker55
I hope others start reporting your posts as I plan to every time you post from this date. You're just coming back here to cause trouble and getting your jollies out of it. Change your name to 'Skeeter', 'Chigger', or 'fruit fly' as that is how you behave.
You're quite welcome. Have a nice day.
Yes, go ahead and report posts that are not violating rules. The mods will love that. I'll be back here to help people and answer questions daily which will be your reminder as to how silly that action is. Have a great day! And I've never changed my name here, so that's an odd claim but no big deal.
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IK_Multimedia
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 17:55:48
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 22:21:55
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MGC59
I said that the guy sounded like an IK-plant. There always seems to be one or two commenters that chime in that they "don't know what all the fuss is about". "The IK guys seem pretty cool". Hence my plant observation.
Peter and Obi, it was suggested that you guys stay out of this forum until you have an actual product to sell. Pre sale is not an actual tangible product. It seems you have managed to slither back in here with presales, pricing and promises.
It is Freaking June 17th and you still have not delivered. You say ST3 is coming in July...you've said similar things before and you have never delivered. As of right now you still haven't delivered.
I do like IK products. I don't like lying corporate shills. I don't like IK liars that come into these forums and make snarky comments and then act like the victim.
GTFO and come back when the ST3 is actually available. This is not the 1st time you have been told this.
Seriously, how old are you? "Corporate shill"? "IK fan boys"? I'm in no way a plant, a corporate shill or a fan boy, but I think IK handles themselves with a ton more class and restraint than people like you. I've seen a couple of other threads in which they've been accused of being "snarky" and every time, it's been nothing more than IK defending themselves against some totally uncouth, childish, YouTube-esque attack. What exactly are you contributing here? This is a forum for civilized, mature people to talk music software. It's not a platform for teen angst.
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Guitarpima
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 22:33:38
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I am a plant. I veg out as much as possible. To bad I don't live in Colorado.
I'm on both sides of the fence here. I'm not happy IK took forever getting ST3 out as I won't be able to afford it for quite a while because they took so long and now, funds are really tight. On the other hand, I would have been upset had the program not been ready. So I guess it's a good thing they took their time.
Stop the bickering!!! Get over yourselves!!!
BTW - I'm listening to these great sounds and now I'm more mad you took your time but that's life. I'm over it.
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 23:14:13
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The digital music world fascinates me. The hate on IKM is intense while PACE and ILOK which are the worst invasions of privacy in the world of computing are applauded. I install ST2.5 and get nice though somewhat dated sounds (Miroslav held up though), I install PACE drivers and my computer slows to a crawl, so I uninstall and lose the ability to burn DVDs.
If I started a thread hating IKM, I'd would fit nicely into the mainstream digital music culture. If I started a thread hating PACE I would be banned from polite musical society forever.
What did IKM do to you? Did they steal your girlfriend, run over your cat, make off with the money intended for widows and orphans or encourage disco?
Can someone enlighten me?
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/17 23:14:26
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Two questions about ST3 (and I must note that I have already ordered; these questions are just for info) 1. Will ST3 allow multi outputs sent to different audio tracks in Sonar? So for example, can we send different drum channels in ST3 to different audio tracks in our DAWS? Like Snare to track 1, kick to track 2, toms to track 3 .... I know that ST3 has a new mixer layout and can handle lots of new IKM effects, but sometimes we like to send tracks out to multiple outputs. is this possible with ST3? 2. What sample rate are the new samples recorded 44.1, 48? I may not have worded this correctly, but I can not find info on what new samples are recorded at (44.1, 48). Btw, my ears are vintage (old) so I will not hear the difference, but there is a thread upstairs in the Sonar X area about taking advantage of higher internal sample rates on synths within the DAW domain; so I wonder if the new library has a newer sample rate than the original. Again, I placed my order yesterday. These are just questions i would like to know in anticipation of getting my ST3. Thanks in advance for any information
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/18 09:42:09
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Yes Sharke judging from my avatar I must be a 12 year old. Corporate shill is exactly what the IK reps are in this case. A completely acceptable term. Fanboy a more "hip" internet slang for overly loyal cheerleader. Again and for the last time I stated that someone "sounds like" these things. I never said they were. There is a pattern in these threads. I pointed them out. As for class...at least I stand by my word. If I promise something, I deliver. I would never lead someone on or try to distract them with iCrap products as an alternative. This tact on IK's part was incendiary in these forums. If you haven't read the older posts them you will only see their "victim" side of the story. As of June 18th, 2014 there is no ST3 available to a single user here. It was coming out in 2013. It was promised way before that. I'm the bad guy here? I don't think so. I'm just pointing out the truth about IK and I will continue to do so until they deliver the product they promised years ago. Cakewalk has been on the cutting edge of 64-bit since day one. Many users here were right there with them. That's why we support Cakewalk. That's the way a company should do business. One last thing, I am a very happy IK customer. I own quite a bit of their software. (no iCrap however) My biggest investment is in ST2 and the libraries. As Bapu stated earlier in this thread the main issue here was the need and desire for 64-bit. That was YEARS ago and it's still not here. Hence the ire, anger and vitriol. Hope that clears things up a bit.....
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IK_Multimedia
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/18 11:08:45
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cecelius2
Two questions about ST3 (and I must note that I have already ordered; these questions are just for info)
1. Will ST3 allow multi outputs sent to different audio tracks in Sonar? So for example, can we send different drum channels in ST3 to different audio tracks in our DAWS? Like Snare to track 1, kick to track 2, toms to track 3 .... I know that ST3 has a new mixer layout and can handle lots of new IKM effects, but sometimes we like to send tracks out to multiple outputs. is this possible with ST3?
2. What sample rate are the new samples recorded 44.1, 48? I may not have worded this correctly, but I can not find info on what new samples are recorded at (44.1, 48). Btw, my ears are vintage (old) so I will not hear the difference, but there is a thread upstairs in the Sonar X area about taking advantage of higher internal sample rates on synths within the DAW domain; so I wonder if the new library has a newer sample rate than the original.
Again, I placed my order yesterday. These are just questions i would like to know in anticipation of getting my ST3.
Thanks in advance for any information
1. SampleTank 3 does support multi-out but note that the drum kits themselves as single instruments will not send different parts to different outputs. You can send different instruments to different outputs and SampleTank 3 will offer kit components to load as single instruments to let you route them as you wish, though. 2. I don't see this information published at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/sampletank3 so I'll see if there are plans to and make the suggestion for people who are curious. Thank you for the questions and your preorder, July will be a great month from what I'm seeing :)
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/18 11:39:57
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MGC59
As Bapu stated earlier in this thread the main issue here was the need and desire for 64-bit. That was YEARS ago and it's still not here. Hence the ire, anger and vitriol. Hope that clears things up a bit.....
I get your point... and it's certainly valid. IMO, Some of the responses to IK are a bit over-the-top. IK responding to these posts keeps stoking the fire. For those of us a bit more "in the middle", this kills any type of meaningful discussion. The thread always spins into conflict. It's kind of like being at a party with a bunch of friends... and one couple starts arguing in front of everyone. It would be nice if we could get back to discussing software/hardware/music. Look at the guitar building thread (think it's in the Coffee House). That's interesting... full of information... and just plain cool.
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/18 11:49:21
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MGC59
Yes Sharke judging from my avatar I must be a 12 year old.
Corporate shill is exactly what the IK reps are in this case. A completely acceptable term. Fanboy a more "hip" internet slang for overly loyal cheerleader.
Again and for the last time I stated that someone "sounds like" these things. I never said they were.
There is a pattern in these threads. I pointed them out.
As for class...at least I stand by my word. If I promise something, I deliver. I would never lead someone on or try to distract them with iCrap products as an alternative. This tact on IK's part was incendiary in these forums. If you haven't read the older posts them you will only see their "victim" side of the story.
As of June 18th, 2014 there is no ST3 available to a single user here. It was coming out in 2013. It was promised way before that.
I'm the bad guy here? I don't think so. I'm just pointing out the truth about IK and I will continue to do so until they deliver the product they promised years ago.
Cakewalk has been on the cutting edge of 64-bit since day one. Many users here were right there with them. That's why we support Cakewalk. That's the way a company should do business.
One last thing, I am a very happy IK customer. I own quite a bit of their software. (no iCrap however) My biggest investment is in ST2 and the libraries.
As Bapu stated earlier in this thread the main issue here was the need and desire for 64-bit. That was YEARS ago and it's still not here. Hence the ire, anger and vitriol. Hope that clears things up a bit.....
You just need to learn to contain your rage and box clever. The vitriol is completely out of proportion and does not reflect well on you. I've been mildly irritated by software companies not bringing out what I want when I want too. But I can't imagine ever spitting this kind of rage over it. I guess I save that kind of emotion for things that are really important. IK are a company, one of many, and we're spoiled for choice. If you're not happy with one company's output then just take your money elsewhere instead of making a fool of yourself online.
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
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As always Jim you are correct in every point you made.
As far as ST3 goes, there can be no meaningful discussion until we actually have a delivered product.
If it workflows as well as ST2 did for me, there will be only praise.
I will check out Coffee House. For some reason I have never been in there.
Also the system you sold me has brought me nothing but pleasure these past few years. Thank you for a wonderful product and support.
Much respect.
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Re: SampleTank 3 coming in July - pre-order and pricing now available
2014/06/18 12:16:23
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One more time...if you haven't read the old posts and followed this thread, it goes back years.
Money that I invest in software that I use everyday is very serious business.
I have taken my business elsewhere. But I will not idly stand by and let IK off the hook when they come into these Cakewalk Forums and BS me. This is a Cakewalk Users Forum not a software peddlers forum.
I never set foot in the IK Forums or KVR. If it weren't for this topic I'd barely set foot in this one.
I honestly don't care how I am perceived. I make music.
If people do right by me I am nothing but kind. Lie to me and you get threads like this one.
No rage, just response.
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