To the original poster:

My personal experience with X1 is, it has caused me a lot of grief every time I installed a patch on top of another. What I found works best is when a patch comes out, I restore my system (from an ISO image) back to when I originally installed X1 without any patches, then install the most current patch. When I've done that, I had way fewer problems.

The problem now is, you can't do that anymore. You have to install X1, then X1C, then Expanded, then the D patch. You never had to do this with 8.5, the last patch was cumulative so you could do a fresh install, 1 patch, and you were done.

The other thing you have to take in to consideration is, how much of X1 does everyone who states, "Works perfect here, no problems, etc etc", use?

If I only ever used X1 as a huge multi-track recorder, and then used all 3rd party VST's and Synth's, then yes, I could claim it works perfect here as well.

There are a lot of bugs in Sonar, it does have stability issues on some some systems, and anyone who responds to you and says 'works great here, no problems' is really not being honest with you. There's a lot of things that are buggy in X1 and if you use X1 Producer and all of it's VST's and Synth's exclusively like I do (with the exception of 2 free VST's), you will run in to bugs. There's even bugs in the Pro Channel that some people have denied exist, that are documented by Cakewalk themselves. So please, take what you have read above my post in this thread with a grain of salt.

I'm not bashing Cakewalk or X1, most DAW software has quirks in it, I'm just being honest with you when I tell you it doesn't work 100%. None of them do.

In my opinion X1 was by far the worst release of any Sonar product. There were functions that just flat out broken and did not work when it was released. It never should have been put out like that. If you don't believe me, try loading X1 from the original DVD's and use Audio Snap and try to set the Metronome. Session Drummer samples got screwed up during one patch, and a multitude of other problems.

It's ok, these things happen, but when someone asks for advice, lets be honest with them guys.

bapu

John

So, X1a, X1b, X1c and X1d as well as hot patches contained no bug fixes?

Of course they did. Then 8.5 had bug fixes too. There was 8.5, 8.51 8.52 and 8.53. Don't forget that X1 has had a major upgrade within that same time.

John, the point is that there were many that could not run until a, b, c or d came out. You said it was the "best" first release for CW and I wholeheartedly disagree. Remember Audiosnap not working on initial release? That alone knocks it down to #2, IMHO. There's more but it fells like you're employing selective memory about X1's initial release.


Don't get me wrong. I use X1. I'm happy with it. Now.

I was happy with it at first sight. Again it is not me with selective memory. As I said in the posts above every first release of Sonar has always had bugs. And some were across the board. Meaning that all users had the same problem. To me a release that couldn't be installed is a major problem. Perhaps you came along after that happened. Back then Sonar came only on CDs therefore there were not quick fixes for it. CW had to do a lot of scrambling to fix the problem. It was fixed but its still apart of the install disks. 

We need to keep this in proper perspective. No software is immune to bugs. 

Sonar 6 did nothing but crash no matter what bug fixes CW offered on my system at that time.

Again X1 has gone through a major update in X1 Producer Expanded.  X1 D fixed bugs in X1 Expanded  and added new features for those that had not upgraded. Most bugs for X1 C were fixed in the quick fix.

Bub


To the original poster:

My personal experience with X1 is, it has caused me a lot of grief every time I installed a patch on top of another. What I found works best is when a patch comes out, I restore my system (from an ISO image) back to when I originally installed X1 without any patches, then install the most current patch. When I've done that, I had way fewer problems.

The problem now is, you can't do that anymore. You have to install X1, then X1C, then Expanded, then the D patch. You never had to do this with 8.5, the last patch was cumulative so you could do a fresh install, 1 patch, and you were done.

The other thing you have to take in to consideration is, how much of X1 does everyone who states, "Works perfect here, no problems, etc etc", use?

If I only ever used X1 as a huge multi-track recorder, and then used all 3rd party VST's and Synth's, then yes, I could claim it works perfect here as well.

There are a lot of bugs in Sonar, it does have stability issues on some some systems, and anyone who responds to you and says 'works great here, no problems' is really not being honest with you. There's a lot of things that are buggy in X1 and if you use X1 Producer and all of it's VST's and Synth's exclusively like I do (with the exception of 2 free VST's), you will run in to bugs. There's even bugs in the Pro Channel that some people have denied exist, that are documented by Cakewalk themselves. So please, take what you have read above my post in this thread with a grain of salt.

I'm not bashing Cakewalk or X1, most DAW software has quirks in it, I'm just being honest with you when I tell you it doesn't work 100%. None of them do.

In my opinion X1 was by far the worst release of any Sonar product. There were functions that just flat out broken and did not work when it was released. It never should have been put out like that. If you don't believe me, try loading X1 from the original DVD's and use Audio Snap and try to set the Metronome. Session Drummer samples got screwed up during one patch, and a multitude of other problems.

It's ok, these things happen, but when someone asks for advice, lets be honest with them guys.

Your experience is singular. It is not representative of most X1 users experience. You know that simply by reading the forum.  You also know that many of us have tried to help you with no appreciable change in your condition. Also I recall CW trying to help you too.

You are an outlier in a bell curve. 


 

What possible motivation could there be to lie about how well something does or doesn't work?

Then we get threads that claim to have a problem when its not. The Silent Buss issue is a non issue. Its not a problem its a warning. Yet some will read the title and not read the following posts that explain it. Thus another bug is seemingly reported.

John T


What possible motivation could there be to lie about how well something does or doesn't work?

Fame?


Fortune?


Post Count?


I dunno.

backwoods


I agree with you frankinbahia- it is intimidating. Cakewalk need to consolidate all the fixes/updates so that you install what is on the disk and then download one update and run that over the top. The way Cubase does it.

I couldn't agree more, I think the way it is causes more unnecessary issues.

bapu

John



Sonar 6 did nothing but crash no matter what bug fixes CW offered on my system at that time.

Sonar 6 ran near flawlessly for me.


John, for the record I have owned CW from the ProAudio days thru X1d Expanded (sans SONAR 2).

Well I beat you. I have them all going back to Professional 8. BTW I am not talking about how long a user has used Sonar but how long they were on this forum. The install issue was reported here and happened before 2006. You joined in 2006. Therefore its unlikely you would recall that.

John

Bub


To the original poster:

My personal experience with X1 is, it has caused me a lot of grief every time I installed a patch on top of another. What I found works best is when a patch comes out, I restore my system (from an ISO image) back to when I originally installed X1 without any patches, then install the most current patch. When I've done that, I had way fewer problems.

The problem now is, you can't do that anymore. You have to install X1, then X1C, then Expanded, then the D patch. You never had to do this with 8.5, the last patch was cumulative so you could do a fresh install, 1 patch, and you were done.

The other thing you have to take in to consideration is, how much of X1 does everyone who states, "Works perfect here, no problems, etc etc", use?

If I only ever used X1 as a huge multi-track recorder, and then used all 3rd party VST's and Synth's, then yes, I could claim it works perfect here as well.

There are a lot of bugs in Sonar, it does have stability issues on some some systems, and anyone who responds to you and says 'works great here, no problems' is really not being honest with you. There's a lot of things that are buggy in X1 and if you use X1 Producer and all of it's VST's and Synth's exclusively like I do (with the exception of 2 free VST's), you will run in to bugs. There's even bugs in the Pro Channel that some people have denied exist, that are documented by Cakewalk themselves. So please, take what you have read above my post in this thread with a grain of salt.

I'm not bashing Cakewalk or X1, most DAW software has quirks in it, I'm just being honest with you when I tell you it doesn't work 100%. None of them do.

In my opinion X1 was by far the worst release of any Sonar product. There were functions that just flat out broken and did not work when it was released. It never should have been put out like that. If you don't believe me, try loading X1 from the original DVD's and use Audio Snap and try to set the Metronome. Session Drummer samples got screwed up during one patch, and a multitude of other problems.

It's ok, these things happen, but when someone asks for advice, lets be honest with them guys.

Your experience is singular. It is not representative of most X1 users experience. You know that simply by reading the forum.  You also know that many of us have tried to help you with no appreciable change in your condition. Also I recall CW trying to help you too.

You are an outlier in a bell curve. 

To the original poster:


This response from John is exactly what I'm referring to and why I say take what these people say with a grain of salt.


When he says "Your experience is singular", he's not being honest with you. Every single thing I have said here today is the truth. The Audio Snap problem, documented by Cakewalk, Snap To Grid (I said metronome, I meant to say Snap, my apologies), documented by Cakewalk. Two other members mentioned those problems in this very thread, yet he singled me out and said my problem was singular.


The last time I contacted tech support I received no response. It says 72 hours IIRC, but it's been weeks and no response.


When he said, "No appreciable change in your condition", that's not true at all. Every single problem I have ever had running X1 was fixed with a patch they released. Unfortunately, every patch broke something else. John knows this because I have stated this many many times here in the forums. 


It's impossible to have any kind of conversation with people like John, that's why I say, take what they say with a grain of salt.


I'm off to drop off a truck load of donations to the Animal Rescue League for their fund raising sale next weekend.


Have a good day gentlemen.


Bub.

No you are twisting my words Bub. By doing so you are doing no one any good. We are talking about stability which was your over all problem and seems to still be there. 

So far you are the only person on this thread having a problem with the D patch.

Also why are you posting? To set the record straight? It doesn't sound like that. It sounds like a bitter person doing all they can in discouraging people from getting X1. Why?

Is there a DAW that has not given you problems?

That is funny! Now we know why you know so much about Sonar!

PS... I am making the over a hundred years bit up, before I get accused of lying again.

FastBikerBoy


PS... I am making the over a hundred years bit up, before I get accused of lying again.

No! Really! I wouldn't have guessed that. I didn't think you were that old. LOL Still riding bikes too.

Hey I just had another one of my crazy thoughts...

I have found that empting out the Picture Cache solves many issues for me, like Cut and Paste, Transpose Audio etc...  When those type of things won't work I empty the Pic Cache.

Is the Prochannel subject to the same problem? Could empting out the Picture Cache folder allow  ProChannel to function better?
 

come on guys - arguing over whether X1 initial release was "the best release ever" or not is actually a little pathetic.

John thinks it was.  OK - that's his opinion and he's entitled to his opinion.  but bottom line he only speaks for himself, not for anyone else. 

that's one thing that really is frustrating about these forums.  some people assume they speak for others when they say things like that, or things like "the user base is upset because X1 is broken."  same thing. 

John can say it was his best release ever.  he's entitled and has the right to that opinion.  he cannot say that for anyone else, tho.

Bub can say it's the worst ever.  same deal. I don't disbelieve his experience at all.  I just didn't have the same experience and I contend he only speaks for his experience, not anyone elses.

I speak for myself and say it was somewhere in between those two., leaning toward the "not so much" end because I had major crash issues when X1 first came out.  sonar would simply go away.  no warning, no dump, no pop ups, no errors.  just gone in the middle of recording projects.