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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/08 16:49:26
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Heh, feel free to argue with yourself Bub ;P
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/08 17:04:00
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I did not move to X1, have everything I need in Sonar 8.53 with a number of sounds expansions (for Dim Pro). Did not have time to work with garritan Big Band, although have it installed. Removed and deleted recently all libraries by Native. Feel confident I have sufficient station for a few coming years to play with.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/08 20:26:04
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Do not upgrade unless you have an i7 processor and Win 7 on a new computer. You did not tell us what kind of computer you have, which is everything. EVERYTHING!
Not sure if such a cautionary statement is warranted. See specs on my 3-yr old system below - having a blast with X1 and solid as a rock!!
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/08 21:59:34
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Yeah, that's rubbish. I run way lower specs than that right now, and even lower up until a couple of months ago.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/08 22:13:26
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I have it loaded up on my Dell Inspiron 1520 with the Centrino Duo and it has been running fine here....
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/08 22:27:32
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I've been using X1d since about an hour after it was released, and I have had zero problems with it. The improvements and new features have moved Sonar far beyond what it was with 8.5, and I can't conceive of a reason not to upgrade. DAW's and computers are complex systems, and when you combine them with many of the intense artistic temperaments out there.. there are bound to be some problems which get blamed on new software.
For me, X1 has always worked well, and the flood of improvements and new features they add in along with bug fixes is something I haven't seen happen in any other brand or type of software.
Don't be scared! Go for it!
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 02:04:58
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I did not move to X1, have everything I need in Sonar 8.53
but you don't have screensets....  ....  ... 
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 08:52:15
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I just use 2 monitors. Not sure what I would do with screen sets if they worked properly on my system. You know the saying, you cant miss what you never had. I'm sure for those that have incorporated them into their workflow they are great, but I cant really imagine a scenario where I need them.
Another dirty secret, I dont even use the docking features. I change views the old fashion way "alt 2. alt 3" etc. I guess some habits are hard to break. Despite my lack of taking advantage of some features of X1 I still found it a workflow improvement over 8.5
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 10:22:44
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I also use multi monitors, three in fact but still find screensets very useful. Without getting too long winded if you ever switch between two different states a screenset will probably make life quicker. Such as open or close a window or change a setting, hide tracks, switch edit filter, literally anything on a regular basis and changing back or forth a screenset will help. I'm fast running out of them. Mine are titled "Overview", "Audio", "MIDI", "Tracks", "Busses","Sends", "Mix Down", "Audio Edit", "Multi Edit", & "Comping". Each one set up for what the title suggests and then called up as needed. For example if I'm mixing and adjusting sends I switch from "Mix down" to "Sends" where I can see about 8 sends per track, change what I need and then switch back again. It's instant and very helpful. Much the same with envelope editing but I use my "Multi Edit" SS for that. I'm so used to switching I do it without even thinking now. If you want to see some of them in action my videos show the advantages better than I could ever describe. The multi-edit screenset is one of my favourites but even that has already morphed a little with a narrow track header added so I can change track heights quickly. Have I mentioned I think screensets are great?
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 10:34:54
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I have to admit at first I didn't see screensets as being such a big deal, but with Karl's videos (FBB) showing various inventive ways to use screensets, I've definitely changed my mind about them. They can be /and are very useful.
And thanks to Karl for providing all those neat videos to us all.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 10:48:34
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Thanks for the encouragement Billy - I try not to go on about screensets too much (big FAIL I know ) but for me and my workflow they have been a revelation. I'm beginning to think I was using the wrong program for me prior to X1, such is the improvement for me. Others MMV of course.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 11:31:00
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Screen sets are a good reason to upgrade but I think PC is the most compelling reason to upgrade.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 11:40:29
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Yep, I gotta +1 Billy Arnell
I also had touble with accidentially hitting a number and my screen would change to something crazy. It would take me ten minutes to get things back the way i had them. Then I watched FastBikerBoy's video on screen sets. At first it was just good to know how to get my screen back instantly without all the trouble. Now, screensets are my friend and I can't imagine going back to not having them. I have 3 monitors and have a different screen set depending on the task. Composing, Arranging, Editing, Mixing all have different sets.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 11:41:39
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 11:41:52
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Well today I'd had enough of no metronome in 64bit on my laptop,and TOTALLY un-installed-32 X1 C Expanded,and 64 X1 D Expanded. I re-installed ONLY- 64bit, redid: X1c, Expanded,X1D,all the PC modules,and it all works NOW!, better than ever. It took most of the evening, what with,re-installing[repairing] EZ all of N.I,but it all went smooth, and now I have a metronome yayy[never found out why,it would not work before,after fixing ,dll's etc etc?] I have to admit, if I didn't have everything already running just fine, on my listed desktop,I may have been nervous,but it was a breeze,update to X1 its easy. Regards:] Bob S. P.S. Just wish I never bought BFD2,[did not reinstall on the laptop]yeah yeah, I know,its Deeeep[after a thorough review by Danny Danzi-Thank You!],I just find it bloaty and cumbersome,and it's operation just too time consuming ATM,sorry. I love how "WinDirStat" lets you unload gigabytes of annoyances in one go![hope they make a 64 version,if indeed that is necessarry?]
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 11:51:19
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John
To me a release that couldn't be installed is a major problem. Perhaps you came along after that happened. Back then Sonar came only on CDs therefore there were not quick fixes for it. CW had to do a lot of scrambling to fix the problem. It was fixed but its still apart of the install disks. OK, I'll give you that a release won't install is pretty big. But, once it was installed was it better or worse than X1 initial installed? IOW, did that release have major show stopping problems akin to audiosnap just not working? See, IMO, you're saying a won't install release is worse than an installed release that has major show stoppers. To me, a won't install (across the board, but is being corrected by the vendor) is an inconvenience, not a major problem. I don't know if it doesn't work. I'm unhappy that I paid my money, but I can't say hoot about the quality of the software (which is what we as users should be comparing when saying the "release" is better or worse than past releases, IMO) until it is installed. I can however be extremely displeased about the install process. No question there. JMO.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 11:52:52
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John
Screen sets are a good reason to upgrade but I think PC is the most compelling reason to upgrade.
When I think back about all the features that were added with X1, I now think many of the features can be seen as compelling reasons - ProChannel is surely one, as well as Screensets, but also much of the Skylight UI, while a bit of an original iffy situation for some, has really grown on me and is probably what enabled many of the individual things people find useful these days. Things like the drag n' drop Browser, the multi-pane Inspector with the PC module being one of them, as well as the MultiDock and the way menus are now in the individual areas they are utilized. The only areas I still wish were a bit more customizable, areas that seemed to get more restrictive with Skylight, is the Control Bar which now has the hidden portions and is not as customization friendly as it was in past versions, and the ability to control the colors became limited. As always, individual mileage may vary.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 11:57:54
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I have owned Cakewalk since the Pro Audio 9 days upgrading every few years. My current system is loaded with X1D Producer Expanded and I have to say that I am very content with it and would whole heartedly recommend X1 to anyone. Although I disagree with the comment that you need an i7 to have a good experience with X1( I am currently using a Q8300) ...I would probably upgrade to a 64 bit OS so that I could take advantage of more memory. This is JMO and a lot of users are happily using 32 bit systems with no problems. Back when I had the first version of X1 installed before C,D, I had no problems at all. From my vantage point it was indeed the best version of Sonar thus far,and I would concur with John on this one. I luckily never stepped on the landmines that others are mentioning so from MY PERSPECTIVE it was smooth. I'm not the only one who felt that way either. I don't consider myself an intensive user of the lesser known functions of X1 on any regular basis. Having stated that, I will add that I regularly used effects chains and VSTs as well as the Pro Channel. I also use automation to some degree and copy and paste audio/midi occasionally...so I'm not saying that all I used Sonar for was as a tape recorder. I did use a lot of its functionality. I especially like the ability to move windows around on my dual monitor setup. So I'm not in lala land, I had a good experience so there  I have recently started to dig even deeper into the features on X1D expanded and still haven't stepped on one of those land mines.In contrast I have been more and more impressed with the functionality. I'm not saying there were not bugs, but none of em' ever bit me to any degree.And certainly nothing kept me from using the software. Your mileage could vary.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 12:02:41
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FastBikerBoy
Thanks for the encouragement Billy - I try not to go on about screensets too much (big FAIL I know ) but for me and my workflow they have been a revelation. I'm beginning to think I was using the wrong program for me prior to X1, such is the improvement for me. Others MMV of course.
Some of your inventive ways of using and setting up screensets are things I suspect the people at CW didn't even realize were do-able ;) You definitely came up with some very inventive and interesting approaches. I only wish they put more effort into being able to "manage" screensets better; for example, allowing for easier import/exporting into/out of projects; perhaps even allowing for a "global" screenset "set" (ie, a combo of screensets that can be bulk imported into projects). As it is, if you have a project that does not already have the screensets you like/want, it takes too much time/effort to bring them in.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 12:04:30
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Jind
John
Screen sets are a good reason to upgrade but I think PC is the most compelling reason to upgrade.
When I think back about all the features that were added with X1, I now think many of the features can be seen as compelling reasons - ProChannel is surely one, as well as Screensets, but also much of the Skylight UI, while a bit of an original iffy situation for some, has really grown on me and is probably what enabled many of the individual things people find useful these days. Things like the drag n' drop Browser, the multi-pane Inspector with the PC module being one of them, as well as the MultiDock and the way menus are now in the individual areas they are utilized. The only areas I still wish were a bit more customizable, areas that seemed to get more restrictive with Skylight, is the Control Bar which now has the hidden portions and is not as customization friendly as it was in past versions, and the ability to control the colors became limited.
As always, individual mileage may vary.
I fully agree, Jind. One point though. The PC has an impact on Sonar that none of the other features has and that is the sound. PC gives X1 a unique sound that at the moment no other DAW can match out of the box. However as you point out the other new features in X1 are very compelling too. PC it really matters!
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 12:10:22
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FuddyDuddy
I've been using X1d since about an hour after it was released, and I have had zero problems with it. The improvements and new features have moved Sonar far beyond what it was with 8.5, and I can't conceive of a reason not to upgrade. DAW's and computers are complex systems, and when you combine them with many of the intense artistic temperaments out there.. there are bound to be some problems which get blamed on new software.
For me, X1 has always worked well, and the flood of improvements and new features they add in along with bug fixes is something I haven't seen happen in any other brand or type of software.
Don't be scared! Go for it!
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 12:11:19
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FastBikerBoy
Thanks for the encouragement Billy - I try not to go on about screensets too much (big FAIL I know ) but for me and my workflow they have been a revelation. I'm beginning to think I was using the wrong program for me prior to X1, such is the improvement for me. Others MMV of course.
I actually just re-watched the "MultiPurpose" editing video and I'm still impressed with how you came up with that layout/screenset. It's a very useful one, and again I thank you for providing that video, Karl.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 12:11:21
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Here's a confession. As much as I love screensets (in case you didn't know  ) and * if* I was really pushed for my opinion on the biggest improvement they would be it but...... it's the whole package that really makes the difference. For me it's really lots of small bits making a great big picture. The Smart tool, Prochannel, Tool HUD, Edit filter, Multidock, etc. have all added a little more usability and speed to my personal workflow to make a great overall package. Yes it needs some more customisation, and some bug fixes, and there's room for improvements but it's a great base to build on and I can't wait for X1e,f,g, X2 or whatever they call it. Have I mentioned screensets?
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 12:16:06
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FastBikerBoy
Thanks for the encouragement Billy - I try not to go on about screensets too much (big FAIL I know ) but for me and my workflow they have been a revelation. I'm beginning to think I was using the wrong program for me prior to X1, such is the improvement for me. Others MMV of course.
I actually just re-watched the "MultiPurpose" editing video and I'm still impressed with how you came up with that layout/screenset. It's a very useful one, and again I thank you for providing that video, Karl.
Thanks again Billy, you're making me blush... I've evolved that a little more now. If you drag the track header just wide enough to show the number and icon + MSR (if required) it gives you/me the ability to double click to maximise and restore and of course shift drag to resize, either collectively using Ctrl+A or individually and solo/mute track as required. That is almost now my perfect do it all editing screenset.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 12:18:41
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John
Screen sets are a good reason to upgrade but I think PC is the most compelling reason to upgrade.
When I think back about all the features that were added with X1, I now think many of the features can be seen as compelling reasons - ProChannel is surely one, as well as Screensets, but also much of the Skylight UI, while a bit of an original iffy situation for some, has really grown on me and is probably what enabled many of the individual things people find useful these days. Things like the drag n' drop Browser, the multi-pane Inspector with the PC module being one of them, as well as the MultiDock and the way menus are now in the individual areas they are utilized. The only areas I still wish were a bit more customizable, areas that seemed to get more restrictive with Skylight, is the Control Bar which now has the hidden portions and is not as customization friendly as it was in past versions, and the ability to control the colors became limited.
As always, individual mileage may vary.
I think many of us have a similar feeling -- but i also suspect we will see some major imrpovements in the "customization" area. It's obviously a natural area to provide updates, and I, for one, do hope CW take that on. As you point out - the hidden areas of the control bar certainly makes little sense. There certainly could be methods to 'fix' that ;)
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 12:19:50
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FastBikerBoy
Here's a confession. As much as I love screensets (in case you didn't know ) and *if* I was really pushed for my opinion on the biggest improvement they would be it but...... it's the whole package that really makes the difference.
For me it's really lots of small bits making a great big picture. The Smart tool, Prochannel, Tool HUD, Edit filter, Multidock, etc. have all added a little more usability and speed to my personal workflow to make a great overall package.
Yes it needs some more customisation, and some bug fixes, and there's room for improvements but it's a great base to build on and I can't wait for X1e,f,g, X2 or whatever they call it.
Have I mentioned screensets?
Nuts! I don't think there is an argument here. I think each will pick out a single feature that to them is great. That in no way diminishes any of the other features in X1. You're right its the whole package that makes X1 great.
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Re:Scared of X1 + 3 updates
2012/04/09 12:20:19
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FastBikerBoy
Thanks for the encouragement Billy - I try not to go on about screensets too much (big FAIL I know ) but for me and my workflow they have been a revelation. I'm beginning to think I was using the wrong program for me prior to X1, such is the improvement for me. Others MMV of course.
I actually just re-watched the "MultiPurpose" editing video and I'm still impressed with how you came up with that layout/screenset. It's a very useful one, and again I thank you for providing that video, Karl.
Thanks again Billy, you're making me blush...
I've evolved that a little more now. If you drag the track header just wide enough to show the number and icon + MSR (if required) it gives you/me the ability to double click to maximise and restore and of course shift drag to resize, either collectively using Ctrl+A or individually and solo/mute track as required. That is almost now my perfect do it all editing screenset.
There's a project I'm working on and this screenset has helped speed up workflow, so go ahead an blush. Just clean up after any mess? LOL Thanks again Karl :)
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