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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/01/31 22:10:54 (permalink)
Not a problem by me as long as we can make music or noise as mine tends to sound

as far as X1 goes I am just waiting on my copy now and will be geting it on ang eting used to it and when the patch happens it happens I would rather they took the time and got it right than gave us something that they were not happy with and we wouldnt be so what ever happens happens :)

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 05:48:27 (permalink)
Ya, the software matching the hardware would be cool. Honestly, I'm not sure how much work it would be to move around those controls, but we're knee deep in X1b at the moment and I honestly doubt there will be a re-arranging of said ProChannel knobs any time soon.
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Ya, the software matching the hardware would be cool. Honestly, I'm not sure how much work it would be to move around those controls, but we're knee deep in X1b at the moment and I honestly doubt there will be a re-arranging of said ProChannel knobs any time soon.

This is, definitely, a pretty straight answer. I guess there is no more doubts around it.
Then, the ones who behaves like "we are all family", like when your coined borrowed money from you and never pays it back, and you leave it behind, in the name of love (and to save a huge discussion with your wife), will accept any solution, with plenty of satisfaction, without any worry of have your expensive system to be devalued so fast.


Unfortunately, I am doing the Rain dance pretty hard.


Anyway, I thank you Seth, because your straightness.


The only thing I am still curious about is: Why they didn't make the X1 exactly as the VS 700? The ProChannel is much more look alike than Sonitus ever was. Even with all the other functions... Why??? In fact, this animal (Pro Channel), have much more in commom with VS 700 C than the Sonitus (that have 6 bands, or so).


Can you answer this last one Seth? Just to cut out my sadness?


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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 09:43:56 (permalink)
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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 11:15:13 (permalink)
Same thing!
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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 12:24:19 (permalink)
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If anyone agree, please add your voice.

It is important to see how many peoples actually think the same.

There's actually 677 views, each new visitor who agree please let everyone know.

Thanks.


I dont meen to cause offence with this but you are geting a bit off topic from what my thread was actualy about!

The cake walk team did a great job of telling us how far on in the delopment of the patch they are.

Thats what was being looked for in this thread. That and also for any one already useing X1 with there VS700 to tell there thoughts on how it is working out for them at the momment.

The point in this thread was and is not as you are makeing out to talk about the future of the VS700!

This has already beed said by Roland/Cakewalk that they will continue development on this and it wil not be discontinued etc etc.........

Please dont hi Jack this thread

If you have issues needing addressed why not try Emailing Tec support or Perhaps makeing a thread of your own?

You will find what you have talked about has been said over and over and over again in the forums.
We have been assured by Roland / Cake we will not be left behind and development is not over.

Thats good enough for me.

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 12:39:41 (permalink)
Norrie

Please dont hi Jack this thread

Sorry Norrie I wasn't seeing that it's what I was doing.  Really sorry dude.


I know it has been discussed and I've read all the threads about it but haven't found real answers about everything disscused above, just unclear and vague statements. As you proposed, I'll start a separate thread and delete my post not to interfer with your topic.


Cheers


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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 13:24:00 (permalink)
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Norrie

Please dont hi Jack this thread

Sorry Norrie I wasn't seeing that it's what I was doing.  Really sorry dude.


I know it has been discussed and I've read all the threads about it but haven't found real answers about everything disscused above, just unclear and vague statements. As you proposed, I'll start a separate thread and delete my post not to interfer with your topic.


Cheers


Olivier


Hi oliver

Like I said dont take any offence I know no harm was ment by you :)

And I can understand your concern.

If you wade through a lot of the VS 700 threads its mentioned a lot of times about us not being left behind but never says exactly what there plans are :)

I do agree with you it would be nice to know but as long as my unit works and gets me working I am happy

Sorry If you took what I said in a bad way I didnt want to sound rude and I can understand your concern.

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 13:46:20 (permalink)

Hi oliver

Like I said dont take any offence I know no harm was ment by you :)

And I can understand your concern.

If you wade through a lot of the VS 700 threads its mentioned a lot of times about us not being left behind but never says exactly what there plans are :)

I do agree with you it would be nice to know but as long as my unit works and gets me working I am happy

Sorry If you took what I said in a bad way I didnt want to sound rude and I can understand your concern.

Norrie

Hey no prob dude! I'm not mad at you at all!!


Obviously, a patch to make X1 work as well as 8.5 worked is far from a bad news! It just make me asking what priority the VS system is getting and what enhancements if any are to expect... But that's another story




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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 18:38:39 (permalink)
Heya Norrie... quick update for ya.

I've spent a few hours only with the 700 and X1a and so far to be brutally honest, I'm surprised at how much it DOES work. There has been so much useless ranting in these forums lately I was concerned about the X1a install and had delayed doing it coz I just didn't want the grief.... shouldn't have waited because so far it's all cool.

I'm playing around with 8.5.3 projects with zero issue to date... the 700C transport works, scroll works etc etc... the only thing I'm now keen for is surface function of some of the new work flow improvements. Examples would be the new smart tool which I've started to really like (accessible now from a programmed track ball button) and the new split function which I use a real lot. Oh yeah, one other would be tab function for the new dockable section tabs... they work well.

Latency also has dropped (marginally) and overall the impression is 'snappier'. There is also a cool thing under X1 where you touch a fader and the selected channel PLUS it's associated buss come into view... real handy.

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 19:18:44 (permalink)
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Heya Norrie... quick update for ya.

I've spent a few hours only with the 700 and X1a and so far to be brutally honest, I'm surprised at how much it DOES work. There has been so much useless ranting in these forums lately I was concerned about the X1a install and had delayed doing it coz I just didn't want the grief.... shouldn't have waited because so far it's all cool.

I'm playing around with 8.5.3 projects with zero issue to date... the 700C transport works, scroll works etc etc... the only thing I'm now keen for is surface function of some of the new work flow improvements. Examples would be the new smart tool which I've started to really like (accessible now from a programmed track ball button) and the new split function which I use a real lot. Oh yeah, one other would be tab function for the new dockable section tabs... they work well.

Latency also has dropped (marginally) and overall the impression is 'snappier'. There is also a cool thing under X1 where you touch a fader and the selected channel PLUS it's associated buss come into view... real handy.

Cheers mate.


Hey there Mully its good to hear from you!

Thanks for the update

The touch fader thing sounds like a great Idea so it looks like the bakers have ben puting some thoguht in to the VS700 as they have been codeing X1 I never douted for a momment they wouldnt though :)

Great news your up and runing with no problems

I decided to go ahead and start useign X1 so I am waiting on my copy arriveing

I havnt even looked at the X1 threads since the release I would rather wait and have it on my system first then see if I run in to any problems I know how you feel about not wanting the grief

Keep us posted on how you are geting on my copy wont be here till mid feb then I can get cracking

I might even be lucky and see the patch around the same time but by what your saying I dont think I will have any problems :)

Thanks again for a great update

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 20:59:40 (permalink)
There is also a cool thing under X1 where you touch a fader and the selected channel PLUS it's associated buss come into view... real handy.

 
Does that include the console readouts and faders for both track and buss?

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 21:11:08 (permalink)
Thanks Samara for the news regarding the "work underway" on the VS-700. I'm a big fan/user of the VS-700 and would actually love to see even a larger console (16, dare I say 24 channel). I just know Cakewalk/Roland could make something for X1 that would perhaps look and feel like the V-Mixing System Console, though with a really cool meter bridge. I'm currently using VS-700 with X1 and so far all seems...ok...for the basic things I've had a chance to try (transport, faders, snap...etc).
So to sum up...I would be first in line to buy a new VS-700 plus...for my business/project studio and bring my current VS-700 home for my at  home - homework. Doesn't hurt to dream !!
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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/01 21:36:19 (permalink)
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Thanks Samara for the news regarding the "work underway" on the VS-700. I'm a big fan/user of the VS-700 and would actually love to see even a larger console (16, dare I say 24 channel). I just know Cakewalk/Roland could make something for X1 that would perhaps look and feel like the V-Mixing System Console, though with a really cool meter bridge. I'm currently using VS-700 with X1 and so far all seems...ok...for the basic things I've had a chance to try (transport, faders, snap...etc).
So to sum up...I would be first in line to buy a new VS-700 plus...for my business/project studio and bring my current VS-700 home for my at  home - homework. Doesn't hurt to dream !!

Ive actualy just this momment put in a product request for an extra 8 faders for the Vs700 I would urge you to do the same and put in a product request

The more of us who do it I guess the better chance of seeing an adon product :)

I may be seting my hopes to high but I really hope to see another 8 my normal drum tracks are 10+ and can be a pain banking up and down just to mix the drums if there was more faders it would meen less banking and less were and tear on the faders aswell :)

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/02 18:56:00 (permalink)
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Thanks Samara for the news regarding the "work underway" on the VS-700. I'm a big fan/user of the VS-700 and would actually love to see even a larger console (16, dare I say 24 channel). I just know Cakewalk/Roland could make something for X1 that would perhaps look and feel like the V-Mixing System Console, though with a really cool meter bridge. I'm currently using VS-700 with X1 and so far all seems...ok...for the basic things I've had a chance to try (transport, faders, snap...etc).
So to sum up...I would be first in line to buy a new VS-700 plus...for my business/project studio and bring my current VS-700 home for my at  home - homework. Doesn't hurt to dream !!

Ive actualy just this momment put in a product request for an extra 8 faders for the Vs700 I would urge you to do the same and put in a product request

The more of us who do it I guess the better chance of seeing an adon product :)

I may be seting my hopes to high but I really hope to see another 8 my normal drum tracks are 10+ and can be a pain banking up and down just to mix the drums if there was more faders it would meen less banking and less were and tear on the faders aswell :)

Norrie


Wow - that would be nice to have; I have been utilizing VS-700 for quite a while now and an extra faders would be definite purchase I would make...

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/02 19:04:58 (permalink)
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Thanks Samara for the news regarding the "work underway" on the VS-700. I'm a big fan/user of the VS-700 and would actually love to see even a larger console (16, dare I say 24 channel). I just know Cakewalk/Roland could make something for X1 that would perhaps look and feel like the V-Mixing System Console, though with a really cool meter bridge. I'm currently using VS-700 with X1 and so far all seems...ok...for the basic things I've had a chance to try (transport, faders, snap...etc).
So to sum up...I would be first in line to buy a new VS-700 plus...for my business/project studio and bring my current VS-700 home for my at  home - homework. Doesn't hurt to dream !!

Ive actualy just this momment put in a product request for an extra 8 faders for the Vs700 I would urge you to do the same and put in a product request

The more of us who do it I guess the better chance of seeing an adon product :)

I may be seting my hopes to high but I really hope to see another 8 my normal drum tracks are 10+ and can be a pain banking up and down just to mix the drums if there was more faders it would meen less banking and less were and tear on the faders aswell :)

Norrie


Wow - that would be nice to have; I have been utilizing VS-700 for quite a while now and an extra faders would be definite purchase I would make...


Please put a product request in aswell then!

I actualy was in seeing my friend in glasgow today who is the roland product specialist for this area he agreed with me that it would be a nice Idea so I hope he says to the roland team

It really would make my dreams come true I know its only 8 faders but would make my life a lot easyer and like I said wear and tear on the faders would be better aswell :)

Anyone interested please put in a product request :)

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/02 19:20:19 (permalink)
Another 8 faders??? There's 9 now!!

Might need a new desk though.....



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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/02 19:34:06 (permalink)
I didnt want to be greedy and ask for another 9 ;)

Plus thing of the inch of desck space to be saved haha

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/03 06:06:49 (permalink)
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There is also a cool thing under X1 where you touch a fader and the selected channel PLUS it's associated buss come into view... real handy.

 
Does that include the console readouts and faders for both track and buss?


Craig it brings into view the channel strip plus the associated buss strip. But I have yet to actually work out how to reduce the info and just show the strip... might to RTM if it gets tuff... or start ranting.

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/03 09:00:01 (permalink)
Please put a product request in aswell then!

Done!

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/14 13:17:46 (permalink)
It doesn't seem weird to anyone that Cake goes ahead and develops this massive piece of hardware as a dedicated control surface for their flagship DAW, then a year later overhauls that same DAW so much that now there's this disconnect between the two?

I mean hey, having to update a control surface plug is pretty expected. Not having it ready? well okayyyy, that's forgivable. But to have gaps in the communication where now there's permanently controls that don't match the hardware? Especially since it's all in-house, I would think that would've been trivial to address...especially somewhere way earlier in this process where it could've been addressed with minimal work.



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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/14 20:20:04 (permalink)

 


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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/16 08:47:29 (permalink)
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It doesn't seem weird to anyone that Cake goes ahead and develops this massive piece of hardware as a dedicated control surface for their flagship DAW, then a year later overhauls that same DAW so much that now there's this disconnect between the two?

I mean hey, having to update a control surface plug is pretty expected. Not having it ready? well okayyyy, that's forgivable. But to have gaps in the communication where now there's permanently controls that don't match the hardware? Especially since it's all in-house, I would think that would've been trivial to address...especially somewhere way earlier in this process where it could've been addressed with minimal work.

Guess you're right on this one.
Sad situation.

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/16 14:21:37 (permalink)
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...wicked


It doesn't seem weird to anyone that Cake goes ahead and develops this massive piece of hardware as a dedicated control surface for their flagship DAW, then a year later overhauls that same DAW so much that now there's this disconnect between the two?

I mean hey, having to update a control surface plug is pretty expected. Not having it ready? well okayyyy, that's forgivable. But to have gaps in the communication where now there's permanently controls that don't match the hardware? Especially since it's all in-house, I would think that would've been trivial to address...especially somewhere way earlier in this process where it could've been addressed with minimal work.

Guess you're right on this one.
Sad situation.


I dont get what all the fuss is about ????

Use ACT and just change the knobs to what they need to be ? as long as they then do what there ment to do then realy what is the problem ?

I look at the Desk when mixing and use my ears I dont look or have the need to look at the knobs on the screen when mixing when I can look at the ones on the desk.

I havent installes X1 yet I am still waiting on the new patch then I will do it

But

I did go in to my local shop and check that ACT could change the knobs to what they need to be and then they all match up and its doing the job thats needed

Theres a lot of mountains being made out of mole hills about this......

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/17 12:41:06 (permalink)

But to have gaps in the communication where now there's permanently controls that don't match the hardware? Especially since it's all in-house, I would think that would've been trivial to address...especially somewhere way earlier in this process where it could've been addressed with minimal work.

This subject have been discussed in the "vs-700 development priority" thread.


You're right, or should I say, I agree with you that even if the controls can be remapped to match the hardware, it is an evidence that the VS-700C was not considered during the creation of the prochannel. 


Maybe they thought it was preferable to preserve a whatever SSL layout, which I absolutely don't know if they ever made an eq module layed this way....


Anyway it is not something very damaging and hopefully something that won't happen again.


I know some users don't care at all cause it doesn't prevent us from using it. Hey, this is completely true. The prochannel works very well when mapped correctly, the only thing that is discussed is the hidden meaning of this layout, which clearly show that the hardware was not considered.  This is not an opinion, this is a fact, and it is ok to point it out.

BUT! The console plugin upgrade and X1b patch maybe will reserve some surprises. Can't wait to try it.
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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/17 14:00:54 (permalink)
Hey there Dyonight!

Same here I cant wait for the new patch then I will get X1 on my system :)

I am still holding out man untill then 8.5.3 is working for me :)

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/02/17 15:10:50 (permalink)
Look...
Maybe they never had the intention to make the channel strip control be "totally" integrated... Sonitus EQ have more bands then CSC could handle... Thinking this way, maybe they simply still using it as a general purpose section, even having exactly the same quantity of knobs in ProChannels... A litlle bit dumb, at least for me, but they already guaranteed thet VS 700 still is the flagship system for them... No intentions to descontinuing it...

What can We do? They also oficially stated  the unprobability of fix this mismatchingin at any further time... In fact, for them, there is no mismatch. This is just what it is... Or, as mr. Michael Jackson used to say... This is it!!!

I have to admit my deep curiosity to know exactly why...I would like, a lot, to be in one of the bakers meetings and have the oportunity to ask this simple question and got it answered.

I already have X1... I prefer, til now, S8.5.3... It works much more stable for me. As everybody, i'm waiting for the sacred X1b... With all it's hollyness... Kkkkk

Peace.
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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/03/01 22:51:16 (permalink)
I've tried the VS 700 with X1 and am not happy with the results, Norrie.  I don't think the problems have anything at all to do with the VS 700 (I love mine) but only with X1.  X1 seems buggy as a five-year-old sack of flower.  Using X1 I can't go a day without some kind of crash, often blue-screens.  X1 is so pretty that it took me a couple of weeks of not getting anything done to finally admit that looks aren't everything.  I've gone back to using Producer 8.5 for the time being since it is solid, reliable and I can get work done with it.   I think of 8.5 as the ugly sister that puts out.
 
Hopefully the development of X1 will get far enough along that it is as solid as 8.5.  Until then I'll just have to wait.  I'll give it another try when the X1b fix comes out.
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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/03/04 19:58:15 (permalink)
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Ya, the software matching the hardware would be cool. Honestly, I'm not sure how much work it would be to move around those controls, but we're knee deep in X1b at the moment and I honestly doubt there will be a re-arranging of said ProChannel knobs any time soon.

Hi Seth,
 
Can we assume the VS700 upgrade is being timed to come out the same time as the X1b update?
 
Cheers,
 
jayson
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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/03/05 14:35:34 (permalink)
jayson


Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Ya, the software matching the hardware would be cool. Honestly, I'm not sure how much work it would be to move around those controls, but we're knee deep in X1b at the moment and I honestly doubt there will be a re-arranging of said ProChannel knobs any time soon.

Hi Seth,
 
Can we assume the VS700 upgrade is being timed to come out the same time as the X1b update?
 
Cheers,
 
jayson

Yes. 

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Re:Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ? 2011/03/05 23:57:10 (permalink)
That's good news, Seth.  I'm looking forward to trying X1b.
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