Seth ...... Any word on VS 700 integration with X1 ? Whos useing X1 and the VS 700 ?

Very Very Curious as well... Right now integration is my main priority so I will hold off on X1 until the updates. Please don't leave us behind Roland. Don't do like Yamaha that has promised a major update to the Motif for the last 9 months (ever since I bought one!) only to push it back continually.. after missing the release date and hiding in silence for a month (and giving a new date after enough noise is generated on forums...) I love my Vs-700, and I love my Motif too, but man, I bought them in March last year (spent close to $8,000..) only to feel slighted by Yamaha's supposed huge update (right after I bought..) which is supposed to bring things like tap tempo and better sampling.. Whelp the Motif is discontinued, should of waited... But I will be very displease if the VS-700 turns up as a legacy product... A major upgrade was promised with surprises and the reduced possibility of latency and mixes by adding octa capture were cool.. Though by big surprises I was hoping for something more like controlling the Fantom from the Console... But all well and good except for this X1 thing, and the interface being backwards to the Console, seeming lack of planning for VS support, muted silence UNTIL enough noise is generated, shades of Yamaha... I guess this is how companies do now a days... I just hope Roland shows more support than Yamaha has and still have big plans for the VS-700... I mean.. I spent almost $8,000 less than a year ago and feel like I have legacy products that are in limbo. A lot of hype and immediate attention though on the new products... Anyway, the community here is great and I want to thank Seth and Cakewalk guys for their help. I know they are rooting for us but they are not the heads at Roland that actually roll things out. Please don't let this be my next over 3 grand product that has become legacy in less than a year... Sorry for the rant. Yammie has left a bad taste in my mouth. Please do not follow their foot steps Roland.. Where you know you have a legacy product by the silence and lack of information (and lack of promised updates...) where all the marketing hype is in the latest and greatest (X1 or XF.. haha...) and that only makes the lack of how your legacy product fit into the new scheme of things more apparent... Here is Hoping for the best.

Hi all,
 
I'm the Product Manager for the update - we're working on the VS-700 Control Surface Update for X1 right now. Literally. I just spoke to the developer this morning. We had to wait for the X1a patch to be released. Then we spent a few weeks going through to see what needed to be updated and how we can give 700 customers a good experience in X1. When we're close to releasing I'll post an update with details.
 
Time frame right now (Wednesday January 26) is the update should be ready early March.
 
I do pop in to the forums a few times a week, please be patient if I don't respond right away.
 
Hope this helps,
 
Samara

Samara Krugman


Hi all,
 
I'm the Product Manager for the update - we're working on the VS-700 Control Surface Update for X1 right now. Literally. I just spoke to the developer this morning. We had to wait for the X1a patch to be released. Then we spent a few weeks going through to see what needed to be updated and how we can give 700 customers a good experience in X1. When we're close to releasing I'll post an update with details.
 
Time frame right now (Wednesday January 26) is the update should be ready early March.
 
I do pop in to the forums a few times a week, please be patient if I don't respond right away.
 
Hope this helps,
 
Samara

Thanks for the update Samara... Is there anyway that we can get this feature considered for inclusion in the update?:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2206000

Thanks again,
-Everett

Samara Krugman


Hi all,
 
I'm the Product Manager for the update - we're working on the VS-700 Control Surface Update for X1 right now. Literally. I just spoke to the developer this morning. We had to wait for the X1a patch to be released. Then we spent a few weeks going through to see what needed to be updated and how we can give 700 customers a good experience in X1. When we're close to releasing I'll post an update with details.
 
Time frame right now (Wednesday January 26) is the update should be ready early March.
 
I do pop in to the forums a few times a week, please be patient if I don't respond right away.
 
Hope this helps,
 
Samara

Just to reiterate, thank you Samara for the update! Hope to see X1 all worked out soon for us VS owners. Please keep us posted.




@eBlue - the X1 & VS-700C compatibility was the main issue I was curious about in the other thread regarding X1 & the VS. Are you actually using X1 right now with the VS-700? If so, what is you're perspective? Is the control surface compatibility the only drawback and how cumbersome is it to work around. And, are there any other issues to consider before upgrading to X1? To get to the point, in your opinion does X1 live up to the hype and is it worth it for a VS-700 owner to upgrade at this time from 8.5.3?


Appreciate your input!

Yeah this stuff takes a while for sure.... it's a little like having an MCU again right now actually.

The update will come, 'possibly' get patched and we'll all be thinking how great it is and how worth the wait it actually was....

Thanks Cake Folks for look in and posts.... it helps.

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

As Samara has said, we're working on the control surface update as we speak. As for using the VS-700C with X1 right now, it works, just not 100% since there were so many changes in X1. All the basics like Transport, faders, etc. work, but some of the more specific features like the Access Panel, Controlling the ProChannel, and a few other buttons will be a little wonky until the new CS plugin is released.

Thanks for your patience.

Awesome !

Thats good enough for me :)

I will go ahead with X1 now and get used to it before the update :)

Thanks for the update to the update  ! :)

Norrie

   Coollllllllll...

 
 Thanks for your patience

 Exciting news.

 Thanks for the update to the update.

 

  

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Scott

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Youd' think this would be sorted as it's pretty basic.

I'm hoping the tabs "Views" Options" etc get assigned somehow... that would be very handy methinks.

frankandfree


Pretty basic in which way? Either they change the labels on the hardware and provide overlays for existing ones, or they change the layout of ProChannel's knobs in X1. Really curious how they decide. I hope they do the latter, although, the longer they wait the more early X1 adopters will be surprised by the sudden change in the gui.

I think if they do change the knobs on the Pro Channel, it will part of a V700C update that users without the unit will not install.
I personally don't think it's a big deal. You have to remember where your controls are and what they do anyway. Do the knobs line up on any of the other effects or synth editors you can control with the console?  I personally wouldn't want an overlay. It'll be interesting to see which way they go with it.

frankandfree

I am talking about Sonar's channel strip EQ and the channel strip/EQ section on Sonar's dedicated hardware controller. At this price range things like this should just fit as optimal as possible. It would have been better not to label those knobs at all in the first place, but they did, so they should commit to that labeling. 

Maybe they decide to change the advert to "The (almost) ultimate integrated music production system" and leave things as they are.

I'm totally agree with you Frank. Sometimes It seems like there are some people working for cakewalk, undercovered, in this forum. I can't see the point of all this protection with cakewalk interests (unless they are being paid for it)... How could be a good idea simply make the knobs to work without a proper adressment? And, even worst, why they didn't pay attention in such a basic detail like this in the very begginin of X1 gui interface development? Isn't the VS 700 the big deal? The flagship? Come on...


Cakewalk, why don't you put the X1 ProChannel knobs in the same sequence as it is in VS 700 C channel strip control? Any plausible reason???

I just hope that once they do get the update out, they will actively promote the VS-700 along with X1.. In the music industry, often the death knell is not rung with a load bang, but with the silent whimper of lack of promotion (for bands and artists...) I will feel better that the VS-700 is still seen as a financially viable and supportable product if it was being pushed as an important integral solution to unlocking X1's potential... Unfortunately we do not have much say in this and as long as we old VS-700 users continue getting supported through new iterations, that is all we can do. I am wondering if it is or would be possible to use the fantom's effects engine as a cpu free effects plugin for audio in cakewalk. If it is possible now or can be in the future, that is a powerful use of the fantom to integrate as more than just a synth into cakewalk. Anyway, I am happy I have the VS-700, and am happy that an update is on it's way... I will be disappointed if Roland CW no longer sees fit to promote and sell the VS-700 in the long run... If CW/Roland decide to renew their commitment to really SELL this system (active new promos of it working with X1 and such..), I will be one of the many who will actively tell people that this is the solution for them, as an all in one... Yes some systems have less latency, by adding octacapture one gets more mix outs... But it is the level of detail this system has that makes it so attractive compared to a generic Mackie device... So let bygones be bygones.. I am still a supporter... And Cakewalk reps, we appreciate all the help. But please, understand the following.. What makes the VS-700 special is not the synth, or that it has the best converters, or the most knobs, or the fastest latency, it is the attention to DETAIL and DEPTH... that while with any other program and generic board I need to map things, with the VS-700, I have buttons that say copy, paste, .. detailed in depth clearly outlined replicas of the cakewalk software... Please do not fault your user base for failing to see that there has been a minor goof up on what the advantage of the VS-700 is... It is high above average in everything, but it is it's cakewalk integration that makes it more powerful than it's standalone counterparts.... Yes, the new channel not lining up the to the interface (which is what made the VS-700 stand out so much partly,) is a minor goof.. Let me say that again, it is a minor goof.. I have seen forums explode when a small relatively minor goof that can be admitted is treated instead as whininess from the customers and the company reps refuse to admit that things could have been thought out better.. I saw this on the Yamaha forums... I do not want that to happen here... I still love my system... Roland, yes, someone in the GUI development team should be made aware that this was an important oversight that shouldn't happen again.. And that's it, it was a mistake, it is still a great system let's move on, and fix the layout mishap. You see, small errors like this or more aggravating because they could have been avoided with just a small sprinkling of foresight... The Vs-700 has perfect integration, keep it that way.. The new GUI that is the sell for X1 is supposed to be well thought out and the major advance over 8.5... Once again, think it out better in regards to the VS-700 next time... And that's it... Just a minor bump in the road to a great system... But it can only be great if the kinks in it are recognized as such...

Has any one actaly rased this with tec support away from the forum to see what they say ? Could be worth a try they might tell us......

We might just find on new units that come out there is no lableing on them at all

or like was said we might see a cover / template type thing to go over it and will be our choice to use it or not and just remember what each controls for like Craig said :)

OR it might al get sorted and we will see it correct in the update ( I hope thats the case )

Personaly as long as it works and controls what It should I will be happy.

I dont think for a min cake will let us down :D

We should know for sure soon the upadate cant be that far away now :)

Norrie

Don't worry about our support for the VS-700. We're committed to supporting it as we've put out an updated control panel already for it and are working on an updated control surface plugin for it.

I know you all would have liked to have had it when X1 launched, but these things take time, and we thank you for your patience.

As far as I know, the ProChannel's EQ will not be changed to match the layout of the VS-700C's Channel Strip Controls. I'm not sure why we decided on the layout of the ProChannel EQ the way we did, but we knew it was going to be a different animal than the Sonitus EQ (which the VS-700C was originally designed for).

The labels might not match but the controls will work as will the LCD display, so there won't be any lost functionality if that is what you're worried about.

Ya, the software matching the hardware would be cool. Honestly, I'm not sure how much work it would be to move around those controls, but we're knee deep in X1b at the moment and I honestly doubt there will be a re-arranging of said ProChannel knobs any time soon.