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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 11:43:39
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I wouldn't be developing any Pro Channel Modules if I were a 3rd party vendor. That's for sure.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 11:53:23
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How about a tool that can turn ProChannel stuff into normal VSTs?
Any color you want.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 12:07:29
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Though I am sorry to see Seth go and I wish him the best. I think I am a little more optimistic about the future outcomes of Cakewalk.
Did you see the stock gojng back up in Bitflippers graphic? It took a little jouncing right after Christmas as most of these kinds of items do but I expect it to come into a rebound. EVERYONES stock pretty much took a hit. Cakewalk isn't some kind of unusual occurence in that regard.
I don't believe Roland has a history of selling off the companies it aquires. To the contrary Roland seems intent to invest in development even if it means a temporary payout.
If I were looking at a DAW today I would still consider Sonar. Their interface lineup isn't bad either.....it almost seems like some of you really want to see Cakewalk fall and frankly I grow tired of the same old lines. If you really dislike the software that much please pick something you can live with and then remember that you are under no obligation to come here and run what you disliked down.
Some of you have chosen studio 1...more power to you. Some of you went to a cheaper and less capable DAW like Reaper...more power to you...do you get your rocks off seeing a company fold? Reminds me of the guys who light fires and then enjoy watching the building burn.
I certainly hope you are wrong about Cakewalk. I do feel bad for Seth. I hope Cakewalk can make the kinds of decisions that will make for prosperity and REMEMBER that people are who make that happen. Let go of the wrong people and you literally cut your own throat.
If you look in my studio you will see a fair amount of Roland gear. I'm not a fanboy, I buy things I think I will use, keyboards, guitar pedals,recording gear,guitars....like the rest of us do and the fact that I have quite a bit of Roland gear is IMO a clear indicator that they make good stuff because I do my homework when I buy something.
You could do a lot lot worse than Sonar in any flavor and I think any intelligent PC user can see it too.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 12:19:03
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@Starise:
I can honestly say, I don't think I've ever got the impression from anyone here in this thread that they want Cakewalk to fail.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 12:32:25
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I certainly don't want Cake to fail... I did have to get some stress out of the way, some cynical fear. After showering off and thinking it over I would be really surprised if this and other decisions didn't have a direct relationship to government mandates and regulations (healthcare law) and taxes.
I don't know how many employees Cakewalk has but it would not surprise me at all to find that they are keeping it under 50... but that is totally a WAG.
I know and you know however that the more government regulates the market, the more the market responds with the "law of unintended consequenses". I do believe that is at work here... though I have no proof other than it seems to be happening everywhere. He is lucky to have worked for a company big enough to afford to do a layoff rather than cut his hours back to 10 a week until he quit... it could also be Mass. laws at work too.
All we can do is speculate from our perspective and hpe for the best for both Cakewalk and for Seth... I am sure he will land on his feet.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 12:39:29
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There are times that it really seems like the goal is often no longer to make quality products that last, not to mention that people really want, and for senior management to simply use companies as personal toys to line their pockets.
Regarding Roland:
Back in the early days I bought Roland gear: a couple keyboards, sound modules, small Boss mixer, and what have you, but in recent years, other than getting a couple of the Cakewalk MIDI interfaces - something I actually needed, Roland no longer makes much of anything I have a use for. At some point an audio interface upgrade would be helpful, but the Roland offerings do not mesh at all with what I would need.
Markets evolve: for example, 20+ years ago the Roland sampled stuff was at the top end of the market. It was not unknown for top composers to have many S760 sample playback units for orchestral emulation. Their hold on that market (along with Akai) has vanished and has been eclipsed by far superior software offerings from VSL, EW, and the like.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 12:52:18
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Bub..I probably got the wrong impression. Sorry for blowing off...or whatever you call that.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 14:10:07
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Reaper is a rock solid, well coded, fully featured daw that does not have any audio dropouts.
The consumer price of Reaper is a famous $60, while the business license is actually upward of $240.
Thinking Reaper is, "a cheap 60 dollar software," completely misses the realities of the software industry right now. The truth is other softwares may be overpriced, or at the very least, "more expensive because of their marketing budget, or sheer amount of tools they are bundled with," not their core functionality.
Where Reaper fails is in its workflow. Reaper gives me a headache, and I find it a pita to use.
But a lot of folks, are a bit more techy then I, and they are using Reaper with great success, and its definitely a full featured, rock solid daw.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 14:56:19
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IIRC Brandon hinted that he would still be working in the interest of Cakewalk/Sonar software. Also, it seems a coincidence that all these changes since the Roland take-over followed by Brandon's move to Roland (probably to lead the development team) around the same time Windows 8 is released.... That said, I have a gut feeling we may see 'totally' new developments by Roland that will see DAW workflow more reliant on GUI gestures (Windows 8 GUI). With this in mind, an affordable touch-pad surface controller specifically designed to work with DAW software in Windows 8.... Also, Roland will likely develop hardware range of affordable 'Touch-Screen Surface Controllers' with wireless Surface-Pen (Smart-Tools) for finer edits. Other features such as; on-screen Trigger-pads (drums) and a Piano Keyboard (these features already available in iPad) -- Other features such as; optional wireless remote transport controller and foot controllers (for hands-free transport control, perfect for solo-recordists). So I guess these features are coming in the near future for SONAR running on Windows 8. Of course all this is just my own opinion based on events that have occurred over the past several years, so we'll have to wait and see what 'really' happens in the future. Meanwhile, there are competitors and there is the DP version for Windows. Now that MS has moved to a new form (GUI) Windows 8, I bet a lot of software developers are having to consider their directives more carefully if they want to stay competitive in future. In that sense, it's like a whole dang can of worms has opened since the release of Windows 8. Seth and possibly others (more) could be laid-off since Cakewalk 'development' has shifted moreso to work in a far more intergated way with Roland. Though it now 'feels like' Cakewalk has become a ghost 'parent (partner)' company. As for Apple, its seem to be more focused on minature (wearable) and portable devices (iPad) with rumors that's it's developing a wrist-watch version of the iPad and iPhone. No doubt their direction is focused on not just portable but 'wearable' technology. Sure these minature portable devices have recording apps but in the professional sense they simply do not stand on their own compared to DAW's such as SONAR 'in regards to handling very large complex projects', that said; the point is; these Apple minature devices are better suited to 'compliment' for example; to assist as sketch-pad to get ideas down fast, and in other areas such as; remote mixer controller.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:17:05
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Linear Phase
Reaper is a rock solid, well coded, fully featured daw that does not have any audio dropouts.
The consumer price of Reaper is a famous $60, while the business license is actually upward of $240.
Thinking Reaper is, "a cheap 60 dollar software," completely misses the realities of the software industry right now. The truth is other softwares may be overpriced, or at the very least, "more expensive because of their marketing budget, or sheer amount of tools they are bundled with," not their core functionality.
Where Reaper fails is in its workflow. Reaper gives me a headache, and I find it a pita to use.
But a lot of folks, are a bit more techy then I, and they are using Reaper with great success, and its definitely a full featured, rock solid daw.
Agree! I don't like the workflow. If anything, Studio One 2 Professional has crossed my mind, but it does have a few concerns in the midi department. SONAR and Cubase has always led in that field. No DAW is perfect. So, I'm a gonna hav ta sit on the side-lines with me ole faithful SONAR and a bucket of popcorn and see how events play out over the next 12 months before I make any sudden, serious moves for a home run!
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:22:23
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SongCraft
IIRC Brandon hinted that he would still be working in the interest of Cakewalk/Sonar software.
Brandon is still here. He's still an Admin on the forum. Also, it seems a coincidence that all these changes since the Roland take-over followed by Brandon's move to Roland (probably to lead the development team) around the same time Windows 8 is released....
It all started when Greg Hendershott sold out a couple months ago. At that point, I knew we would see more people follow either voluntarily or involuntarily.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:29:02
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Brandon works for Roland now, not for Cakewalk.
I understand that may be a fine line distinction, but I'm sure his duties have different priorities and he reports to different people than he used to.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:32:20
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From Now On Call Me Conquistador!
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:34:17
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:37:27
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How come I didn't get a hat?
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:46:26
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I was going to ask the same thing. Where do I get one of those hats?
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:53:30
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bitflipper
I was going to ask the same thing. Where do I get one of those hats?
You have to be a potential Candidate for the president to pick you as a cabinet member. I think Bit would be good to maybe be ...secretary of technology music education. If that's not a cabinet post it should be.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:57:50
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I haven't got my hat yet,
it must have flew over the cuckoo's nest.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 15:59:46
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Beagle
Brandon works for Roland now, not for Cakewalk.
I understand that may be a fine line distinction, but I'm sure his duties have different priorities and he reports to different people than he used to.
Thanks for explaning that.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 16:25:23
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Linear Phase
Reaper is a rock solid, well coded, fully featured daw that does not have any audio dropouts.
The consumer price of Reaper is a famous $60, while the business license is actually upward of $240.
Thinking Reaper is, "a cheap 60 dollar software," completely misses the realities of the software industry right now. The truth is other softwares may be overpriced, or at the very least, "more expensive because of their marketing budget, or sheer amount of tools they are bundled with," not their core functionality.
Where Reaper fails is in its workflow. Reaper gives me a headache, and I find it a pita to use.
But a lot of folks, are a bit more techy then I, and they are using Reaper with great success, and its definitely a full featured, rock solid daw.
Agree! I don't like the workflow.
If anything, Studio One 2 Professional has crossed my mind, but it does have a few concerns in the midi department. SONAR and Cubase has always led in that field.
No DAW is perfect. So, I'm a gonna hav ta sit on the side-lines with me ole faithful SONAR and a bucket of popcorn and see how events play out over the next 12 months before I make any sudden, serious moves for a home run!
The Reaper guys have the right spirit and approach, and their product is solid. But as mentioned, the UI and workflow leave a lot to be desired. I'm at a crossroads here too. Money for music software is pretty tight for me. Have to decide if a $99 upgrade would be better spent in another camp. Does anyone know how Roland fares financially compared to Yamaha or Korg? Roland seems to have lost the plot with their flagship keyboards. For workstations, it seems like the pros are opting for Motifs and Kronos / M3's. I see guys using Fantom G's, but instead of improving that, Roland comes out with the Jupiter 80 / 50. IMHO, they should have implemented some virtual analog into the Fantom G or it's successor. The Boss GT-100 wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms. More of an incremental upgrade from the GT-10. Not sure what you guys were alluding to re: Cakewalk's future "some will love it some will hate it" message. A possible spin-off of Cake to MS??
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 17:28:29
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bitflipper
I was going to ask the same thing. Where do I get one of those hats?
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 18:36:31
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Bub
@Starise:
I can honestly say, I don't think I've ever got the impression from anyone here in this thread that they want Cakewalk to fail.
I don't see that either. Some of Cakewalks' harshest critics are among those that have cared the most about the product and the companies direction or seeming lack thereof over the last years. Some people clearly have no idea of what is currently on offer in the market and just seem happy enough to own any old DAW. It seems to me like many have just been soaking up a lot of half implemented features and bug ridden code for so long that they've forgotten they have a right to expect software products to do what they say they will do regularly and reliably, customer concerns have long been overshadowed by a marketing heavy approach that has tried convincing its loyal base that black is actually white despite their instincts telling them otherwise. This forum was a fantastic resource for any company to have at it's disposal, yet less was taken into account from that resource than was taken from its own internal misguidance. Most people that had sensible stuff to say and worthwhile solutions to offer from a customer perspective have long gone as a result of being ignored for years and nothing seeming to make any worthwhile difference. There's still angst for the customer from the point of entering the eStore to the point of getting resolve for issues with the products purchased. I love the percentage of the product that I have that works and could see much potential in it when it was still at the forefront, it's been a major frustration to watch a product I was once proud of owning becoming an industry joke and falling so far behind in innovation and quality of implementation at such a point in the economic climate where I see that realistically nothing short of a miracle will turn around its long term fortunes now. I wouldn't have wasted so much breath over so many years trying to flag problematic stuff up if at any point I'd wanted Cakewalk to fail, and if they do fail it wont be to do with their customers not saying anything about it, it will be because they didn't listen to the fantastic good-will that once had gifted to them on a plate that they managed to squander. Now I just see people upstairs getting nasty if people come and say something honestly about any issues they run into because everyone now seems to be enjoying a party where mediocrity is the guest of honour and nobody else is invited.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 18:39:03
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More often than not, I seem to be wearing my asshat....
But seriously now folks... if you look to the past you may see the future. It a really small nutshell things went from mono to stereo recording, to fourtrack tape, to nice multi-track decks and huge mixing consoles, everything being done in a dedicated pro studio environment except for the 4-track (and more) cassette machines but the home stuff would not give you pro results. So that was pretty much the end of the line of analog.
Then digital came along with MIDI and the ADAT and home recording began to mature.
Then the next big step (really I am talking about two major stages, 1: the professional recording studio and 2: the home studio that was able to give professional results).
The DAW.. the DAW EMULATED the HARDWARE in professional studio with software and I think we may be at the apex of that tech (of the software emulation of hardware). Of course, pro studios have gone digital mostly with PT while home studios use a variety of DAWs... studios, whether home of business seem to now be only limited by space, money, and knowledge.
So.. with the pro Studio at it's highest point (perhaps even past it. It's APEX may very well have been with the Studer and Amperex machines. Now.. perhaps the DAW (as we now know it, once the bugs are worked out) may well be at it's high point... without much more to build on it's foundation... or maybe I should say people nt willing to build much more on the traditional DAW foundations of software emuation of the hardware. Not that there aren't MANY more things that one could hope for BUT... overall technology moves on... ie Windows 8 and touch screen technology.
We may very well be crossing over into something new over the next few years. If the DAW was a software based emulation of a hardware studio what would be the next step in evolution, knowing what we now know?
A touch or movement based emulation of the DAW? For sure it is really hard to see the future or even imagine it and most of us poo poo things that are coming into being... but things are changing. That is certain. Can you imagine a DAW that is not only touch controlled with finger or pen but with some sort of laser pointer, by hand movements, a glove that will interact with a screen (think Wii), vocal commands? Something we have not thought of...
I agree with the posts above that W8 and whatever comes after and the products that it spawns are going to change everything, and don't forget the SSD, I'm sure it will soon become cheap and the hard drives we have been used to will go the way of the floppy disk.
We aren't there yet but we are going somewhere new.
J
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 18:42:32
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All I know is I do not want this forum to fail.
Forum=people, not software (that has already failed in so many ways, Mike?)
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 18:51:43
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bapu
All I know is I do not want this forum to fail.
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 18:55:10
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All I know is I do not want this forum to fail. +1 Bapu... that would hurt. J
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 18:57:38
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Jonbouy
bapu
All I know is I do not want this forum to fail.
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Every one thinks knows it Jonbouy sez it
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 18:57:52
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bapu
bitflipper
I was going to ask the same thing. Where do I get one of those hats?
Secretary of Cool??
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Re:Seth has left Cakewalk
2013/02/19 19:03:10
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Linear Phase
Reaper is a rock solid, well coded, fully featured daw that does not have any audio dropouts.
The consumer price of Reaper is a famous $60, while the business license is actually upward of $240.
Thinking Reaper is, "a cheap 60 dollar software," completely misses the realities of the software industry right now. The truth is other softwares may be overpriced, or at the very least, "more expensive because of their marketing budget, or sheer amount of tools they are bundled with," not their core functionality.
Where Reaper fails is in its workflow. Reaper gives me a headache, and I find it a pita to use.
But a lot of folks, are a bit more techy then I, and they are using Reaper with great success, and its definitely a full featured, rock solid daw.
My biggest problem with Reaper was the Reaperites. Once I tried the program and learned how to modify the menus and remove most of the 25 ways to do any one particular thing from a half dozen directions in as many menus, I got along fine. If you do mainly straight audio, you might like it. And as much as it is an enigma at first, the power you find in the program is pretty amazing. The reason I stopped using it was because I was afraid that clients watching over my shoulder would see how easy it is to use and then grab it for free and try to go it on their own. I love the Console view it has.
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