Freddie H
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Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1? http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=ara Fantastic and I love it. Its about time that this time & pitch Technology are added and integrated to the SONAR platform directly. Lets face it, Celemony provides the best AUDIO timestretch & pitch algorithm in the world. Many professional like myself use it already and are you really serious about AUDIO editing, Melodyne are the way to go. Melodyne are an essential tool for AUDIO editing! So once again: When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?  Best Regards Freddie
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 07:27:28
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Tomorrow!!!! Eh no... I have no idea  But I agree, this looks pretty cool and I wouldn't mind that at all
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 07:33:30
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Simple answer:
When you have more than one daw supporting it; Studio One is the only one so far. Cakewalk, as you know, doesn't jump into things lightly so it'll take time, if it happens at all. It's also just not compelling as only one plugin supports it right now.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
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Simply replay.......i think that the grass of your neighbourhood is always greener.....For me VVocal is an incredible editing weapon for vocal,sax and bass too,and i think that we know a small part of the potential of this plug in.In my set up is very stable and no problems playing in loop too.Best.Roby
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 08:01:54
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After using Melodyne with Sonar, I personally think that Melodyne is far more transparent than V-Vocal and haven't used V-Vocal since. With the right integration with ARA looping would be no problem.
However, Sonar has spent it's time and efforts on V-Vocal so I'd be surprised if they would be interested in this type of integration with Melodyne unless they see people leaving for the greener grasses.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 08:04:49
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It is always available in the audio FX list. (Assuming you have Melodyne)
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 08:25:52
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Simple answer:
When you have more than one daw supporting it; Studio One is the only one so far. Cakewalk, as you know, doesn't jump into things lightly so it'll take time, if it happens at all. It's also just not compelling as only one plugin supports it right now.
I don't agree - Cake has been in the forefront of 64-bit audio, DX -technology and x64 support etc. Anything to take the lead. Go, go, go.....
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 11:12:27
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Ditto. I was reading an old issue of Electronic Musician the other night (I have sooo many back issues) and came across an add for SONAR 4. The theme? Innovation.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 11:42:46
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Well, innovation is more like... I don't know, whoever came up w/ the freeze function, or implemented swipe comping, or came up w/ the virtual instruments concept, or the original equivalent of the skylight interface. These were innovations and people followed.
Cakewalk has been at the forefront when it came to adopting certain standards (24bit/96Khz, 64 bit processing, etc). They didn't invent it. They pushed DX and brought the DXi standard to reality. Unfortunately, DXi is now a thing of the past which failed to be widely adopted.
The funny thing is that while Freddie seems to be absolutely convinced that Sonar is the best DAW possible, he has just started 2 threads requesting for features that are part of Studio One and which, according to him, seems like absolute must have.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 13:15:30
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Well, innovation is more like... I don't know, whoever came up w/ the freeze function, or implemented swipe comping, or came up w/ the virtual instruments concept, or the original equivalent of the skylight interface. These were innovations and people followed.
Cakewalk has been at the forefront when it came to adopting certain standards (24bit/96Khz, 64 bit processing, etc). They didn't invent it. They pushed DX and brought the DXi standard to reality. Unfortunately, DXi is now a thing of the past which failed to be widely adopted.
The funny thing is that while Freddie seems to be absolutely convinced that Sonar is the best DAW possible, he has just started 2 threads requesting for features that are part of Studio One and which, according to him, seems like absolute must have.
Yeah - DXi turned out to be the Edsel of it's time - kind of okay but just a museum piece now. You noticed that about Freddie too - those couple of threads. If Freddie was truly convinced Sonar was the epitome of daw software then why the Studio One threads, not to mention he said something some months back about also using ProTools or some other daw than Sonar.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 14:08:22
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Rain
Well, innovation is more like... I don't know, whoever came up w/ the freeze function, or implemented swipe comping, or came up w/ the virtual instruments concept, or the original equivalent of the skylight interface. These were innovations and people followed.
Cakewalk has been at the forefront when it came to adopting certain standards (24bit/96Khz, 64 bit processing, etc). They didn't invent it. They pushed DX and brought the DXi standard to reality. Unfortunately, DXi is now a thing of the past which failed to be widely adopted.
The funny thing is that while Freddie seems to be absolutely convinced that Sonar is the best DAW possible, he has just started 2 threads requesting for features that are part of Studio One and which, according to him, seems like absolute must have.
Yeah - DXi turned out to be the Edsel of it's time - kind of okay but just a museum piece now.
You noticed that about Freddie too - those couple of threads. If Freddie was truly convinced Sonar was the epitome of daw software then why the Studio One threads, not to mention he said something some months back about also using ProTools or some other daw than Sonar.
Perhaps some people here will have more than one software solution to get their work done. Since I do already own Melodyne Editor, I must say that Studio One 2 and ARA appear to be quite appealing, given all the innovation that is offered with both. I assume that many people [here and elsewhere] might choose to have more than one DAW, keyboard, guitar, or VST instrument, as I also have more than one type of video editing software, each with its own strengths and weaknesses, with each one being fairly individually effective in their own unique provisions and workflow for carrying out different tasks. Yet, for me, having more than one software resource, is not intentionally a matter of being disloyal to any particular vendor, but rather simply a matter of desiring to be more effective in accomplishing the tasks of doing my work. Surely, any construction worker's toolbox will contain a multiplicity of resources to do what his or her job requires, since no single tool is capable of doing everything equally well; and so it is with the "builders" of music and video production when we have many options. I appreciate what Sonar does, and the hard work and professional excellence that Cakewalk puts into producing it and its other products. Yet, I will, nevertheless, consider other options that are necessary to enhancing my overall creativity and productivity, even as I continue to support Cakewalk.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 17:55:36
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That was creatively put Kreative. If it was me saying it, it would go something like this...forget the rest now get the best! But I also understand that Cakewalk has developed to reach to a level which in my opinion they would struggle to pass. I don't think they have the resources to do better than what they have expressed in X1c and Expanded. ALthough it would be nice to see them do something more than plug ins but alas I think it is late in the day for them. I can see the sunsetting on ole X1. Maybe, they need to meet together over some Tea and re - design or realise that as Studio One realise people just want things to work and not waste time. SO if thats what the bakers have in mind then, then power to the ten for them, but the skill level to make such a stealthy come back has surpassed them,unfortunately. With new code you can rummage around in the future of technology which it is simply impossible to do without developing over years with old code. It's just no possible. Studio One have the tools to be leaders with what they have learnt and what they want to design. Germans are serious about quality and people can respect that. I do.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 20:56:33
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Perhaps Cakewalk and Sonar will continue to persevere, Dappa. I would not want to demoralize them, or their valiant efforts for many years of hard work in what is a very difficult market. I don't envy their job of having to please so many people by having to try to be all things to all people. But surely, if they must prevail, it will be by being both leaders and followers.
They must lead with new innovation, as always, and, at the very same time, they must follow the trends that are taking hold with the competition, and keep in step with consumer needs and demands that will keep them vibrant and relevant in a fast-paced world of innovation. This is the only way any business can stay in business.
Certainly, they can never rest too long with their past accomplishments before having to look forward again to envision what the future requires of them. I wish them the best. I've invested my hard earned dollars in their business, believing that they have potential. I don't think anyone should write them off any time soon, no matter what new software may come on the market.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/18 23:35:33
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Simple question: Is this the same Melodyne that has a habit of locking up my system when used as a plugin in Sonar? Or is the ARA API written so that it actually works inside the host? If not I can wait till they get the problems ironed out. Mind you Melodyne works just fine outside of Sonar on my system.
The videos look very cool though, kind of an intriguing idea.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 00:29:14
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Simple question: Is this the same Melodyne that has a habit of locking up my system when used as a plugin in Sonar? Or is the ARA API written so that it actually works inside the host? If not I can wait till they get the problems ironed out. Mind you Melodyne works just fine outside of Sonar on my system.
The videos look very cool though, kind of an intriguing idea.
Regards,
Looks like the same software that I and others now have, but with ARA embedded into newly updated host [DAW] programs now coming to market, providing a new and more effective way of integrating Melodyne into a host for greatly enhanced adaptability and functionality. It appears that the ARA will provide more of the needed information that will allow Melodyne to more accurately read what data it is analyzing, and also incorporates it into the host in a more seamless way, offering additional functionality that was not possible, previously. Check it out here for details and video presentation of how it works: http://www.sonicscoop.com/2011/10/18/celemony-introduces-new-ara-extension-for-plug-in-interfaces/
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 02:19:18
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Hmm.. just a simple question... Why do people assume Cakewalk has to do work for another company to make their software version work with Sonar? Should it not be the other way around? I should think it was Melodynes responsibility to make sure this piece of software works with all host, or is that strange thinking? I am a bit confused...
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 04:05:29
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Hmm.. just a simple question... Why do people assume Cakewalk has to do work for another company to make their software version work with Sonar? Should it not be the other way around? I should think it was Melodynes responsibility to make sure this piece of software works with all host, or is that strange thinking? I am a bit confused...
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 04:18:01
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Actually I've personally had no problem using Melodyne Editor with Sonar X1. But some people have, and I suspect that ARA will make this problem disappear and will otherwise create a better and more highly functional and useful product because of the implementation of ARA.[If and when it is implemented in Sonar]
IMO, ARA is more than a fix. It will add value to the Melodyne users experience through greater functionality and ease of use. [I like that idea]
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 04:29:18
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"Melodyne are an essential tool for AUDIO editing!" Sonar is the essential tool. Melodyne is a side program used for turning people who should not be allowed to sing into decent vocalists. I have plugins like this located in their own folders named "Special Ed".
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
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Freddie H
Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=ara
How much will Sonar cost if they buy the ARA technology?
Good that you take this up to the table. I've check its seem its 100% FREE like VST so it doesn't cost anything to implemented in any DAW..
Its API extension like Pro Channel. Anyone are free to use it.So if I were Cakewalk, I had implemented yesterday.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 07:42:22
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Simple. Cakewalk just have to send an email:  If you as a manufacturer are interested in ARA Please contact us under ara@celemony.com. We will be happy to give you further details. So we will probably have it in the next release of SONAR X1
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 08:04:14
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"Melodyne are an essential tool for AUDIO editing!" Sonar is the essential tool. Melodyne is a side program used for turning people who should not be allowed to sing into decent vocalists. I have plugins like this located in their own folders named "Special Ed".
Funny and true
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
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Freddie H
Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=ara
How much will Sonar cost if they buy the ARA technology?
Good that you take this up to the table. I've check its seem its 100% FREE like VST so it doesn't cost anything to implemented in any DAW..
Its API extension like Pro Channel. Anyone are free to use it.So if I were Cakewalk, I had implemented yesterday.
Cakewalk may not have to pay anything to Steinberg but implementing vst3 and everything else it needs in Sonar isn't free. There's all the programming time and debugging costs that Cakewalk (they are the company; Sonar is the product) has to pay and as we all know money is tight these days so any investment in time & money a company puts into a product - they had better be damn sure it's worth it. Implemented yesterday - surely you're joking Freddie, right? Ever do any programming on anything, let alone something major like Sonar? Isn't easy, fast or cheap.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 08:14:12
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"Melodyne are an essential tool for AUDIO editing!" Sonar is the essential tool. Melodyne is a side program used for turning people who should not be allowed to sing into decent vocalists. I have plugins like this located in their own folders named "Special Ed".
Funny and true
Was reading a story online the other day about a recording session and some big name female singer is in the booth doing her tracks. Everything's setup, she's getting a good mix in the cans, but there's a problem. Singer says she sounds off-key in the cans. Turns out she was used to singing with Auto-Tune even live and she was getting a raw mix without any plugs or outboard save for some reverb.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 09:23:56
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I'm with you Freddie. I've checked out S1 V2 and man it looks so awesome! I like Sonar and know it very well, but presonus just made things tough. And unlike others, i could not deal with working with 2 DAWs, I just don't get how people can do that quickly and efficiently. For now I'm sticking with Sonar because I know it inside and out, and because S1 appears to lack the ability to create track templates. But man, I'm very seriously tempted by another DAW for the first time.
And the whole Melodyne thing is such a great idea. I really hope Cake adopt it asap.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 09:30:04
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I watched a live webcam of them showing the new technology in Studio One V2. They lost audio and couldn't get it back! I laughed. A huge bug on live web show so they went straight to questions.
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2011/10/19 09:37:16
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Was reading a story online the other day about a recording session and some big name female singer is in the booth doing her tracks. Everything's setup, she's getting a good mix in the cans, but there's a problem. Singer says she sounds off-key in the cans. Turns out she was used to singing with Auto-Tune even live and she was getting a raw mix without any plugs or outboard save for some reverb.
Funny but sad really. I may be a dinosaur but, where I can, I still do stuff old school. Keep the character in music.
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Re:Simple Question. When do we get MELODYNE ARA implemented in SONAR X1?
2011/10/19 11:40:25
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Zonno
Simple. Cakewalk just have to send an email:
If you as a manufacturer are interested in ARA
Please contact us under ara@celemony.com. We will be happy to give you further details.
So we will probably have it in the next release of SONAR X1
Great! Sonar should get ARA asap!!
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