BassDaddy
I think Dave has been pretty respectful for the most part. Maybe amazingly so since he has been alone for the most part. I think he is "technically" correct on some of this. Something you learn after being married for awhile is, "being right is overrated". Of all the Sonar activity since January no one else has noticed or cares. I know I don't. Another marriage thing is asking myself,"am I willing to die on this hill"?  I am not even willing to get a blister on this one.
 

People are getting complacent in the world of software and expect it to not work when you get it. BUT that was not always the case... Corel 4 worked perfect until XP well it still worked but would not save, Photoshop 5.5 still works perfectly in all versions of windows. But there's NO money in perfectly working software.... I can only think of maybe one game not working in Windows. Never had an issues with ANY word processor until windows messed with spell checker. Software like 3D4 studio and then 3D Max 1 - 3 worked perfectly, even in XP.
 
Yea the good old days... When they came out with a new version it was NOT to fix bug! It was to give you new features... It's all about making money now.
 
Yea the good old days when you could beat your wife and get away with it... lol ;)
 
We must all comply... Resistance is futile...
 
peace!
 
 

Dave000
People are getting complacent in the world of software and expect it to not work when you get it. BUT that was not always the case... Corel 4 worked perfect until XP well it still worked but would not save, Photoshop 5.5 still works perfectly in all versions of windows. But there's NO money in perfectly working software.... I can only think of maybe one game not working in Windows. Never had an issues with ANY word processor until windows messed with spell checker. Software like 3D4 studio and then 3D Max 1 - 3 worked perfectly, even in XP.
 
Yea the good old days... When they came out with a new version it was NOT to fix bug! It was to give you new features... It's all about making money now.
 
Yea the good old days when you could beat your wife and get away with it... lol ;)
 
We must all comply... Resistance is futile...
 
peace!
 
 

Software has blown up considerably since then increasing the testing combinations. The dawn of the internet made life harder and increased expectations of the customer. Which features would you like to see dropped first to improve testing?

Look up agile development. It can be done well (Gibson) or badly (Roland). Bugs do not take 5 minutes to fix hence they are prioritised.

Dave000
I really don't care I'm just big on the truth.. I thought about filing a complaint with the BBB and The Federal trade commission... but I'm too busy setting up the new system so I can't get back to recording... then will be gone again. lol

 

Dav000,
 
Before I got Essentials with SONAR Xx, I already owned Editor.
 
Can I sell my Essential license to your friend since I'm not using it? You'll get 10% and this thread dies.
 
Shweeeeeeet?

Dave000
I really don't care I'm just big on the truth.. I thought about filing a complaint with the BBB and The Federal trade commission... but I'm too busy setting up the new system so I can't get back to recording... then will be gone again. lol

Dude ... this is minor league compared to the government.  Go after them!!

Every car I buy won't hover 

All software comes under a software license. You have also agreed to a EULA.
They give you a license to install it on your computer (or whatever the terms are), you don't own the product. End of.

X3 EULA here (can't find Platinum on Internet)...


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All software installed on your PC is licensed regardless of payment option. You don't own any of it (unless you coded the application yourself). The Platinum license would (or should) cover the additional terms of "membership" which in effect is just a payment plan anyway (it's not really membership at all, that's just a marketing phrase).

Dave000
You're a smart guy Craig so lets see what the venders say about NOT telling people that in there ads "if they have it they don't get it". No matter what Cakewalk "believes" is right, The venders are false advertising so lets see what happens Monday with the venders.

For god's sake, it's spelled V-E-N-D-O-R

michael diemer

John T
I think Dave should get on with it and file a lawsuit. You know, show us how serious he really is.

It's not really about a lawsuit. It's about self-righteousness.

 
Parse as you will brother for the self-righteousness is upon US ALL and you have been chosen here and NOW to cleanse us. Be mindful in your pursuit for the wicked blind-less are upon the few and cunning to undeceive the ones they control for fun and entertainment... beware the lie of truth for the truth is the lie of the trutheons who undeceive with lies of truth and truth of lies… Buy take heed that you stray not into the minded ones who obsess with the secrets for the reality of life is their illusion…
TTFN....

LOL  this whole discussion is cracking me up!!!  
 

https://youtu.be/sax6J8n1AiE

There must be an enormous amount of pride in putting out an inferior product... Then justifying it to your customers must be extremely fulfilling...