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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 13:33:10
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BlixYZ
what is the motivation for people who are not having issues to spend tiime on the forum?
there are quite a few of us in the forums who are loving X1. but we dont have as much to say as those who are struggling and frustrated.
my X1 is rock solid on my laptop and on my desktop. i use it in a small pro studio, and also where i teach during the day. if i had encountered problems, i would have just continued to use 8.5 which is still installed on both machines.
i have encountered the normal amount of bugs for a new release- nothing out of the ordinary.
also, i have a few feature requests. but the pros outweigh the cons significantly. i am impressed by the prochannel, i prefer the new unified preferences. the new plugins and content are great. i love the browser and screensets.
but most of all, i appreciate the stability. since december i have had only one crash. nothing sucks more than a crash when clients are in the studio.
dont be scared, be excited! and make sure you learn whats new and different before you assume something is broken. we'll be here if u need us.
This was a really awesome post to read. Thank you for the positive and reassurance of help down the road. Awesome!
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 13:39:03
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bub, i dont teach any of those things where i teach. but i do use some of those things u mentioned without issue such as, percussion strip, vvocal, sonitis delay.
where i teach i use it to record and create/playback accompaniments. it has been a solid tool for me in my work. why u gotta hate on me for sayin as much? just tryin to answer the poor guys question :)
also, why the hell is everyone suddenly saying "niggles"?
this is not a real word, is it?
it sounds dirty......
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 14:11:39
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bub, i dont teach any of those things where i teach. but i do use some of those things u mentioned without issue such as, percussion strip, vvocal, sonitis delay.
where i teach i use it to record and create/playback accompaniments. it has been a solid tool for me in my work. why u gotta hate on me for sayin as much? just tryin to answer the poor guys question :)
also, why the hell is everyone suddenly saying "niggles"?
this is not a real word, is it?
it sounds dirty......
I simply pointed out that you were factually wrong. :) Read the X1b fix list. Sonitus Deley and V-vocal are broken, they will be fixed in the X1b patch. Read my friend, read! :) As for PX-64, it's messed up, but it's not clear when it's going to be fixed. Same with some of the acoustic snare samples in Session Drummer 3. You can give a false glowing rosie review of X1 if you want, but I choose to be honest and let people decide for themselves if they want to get in to it. Most do, so it really doesn't matter what any of us say. And, the OP has already bought it, so I'm not sure what the hell he even asked for?
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 14:23:21
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V-vocal are broken, i used it last night to do a complete vocal harmony with no issues...maybe it'll break later on
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 14:28:43
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I do !!!
Bang for your buck !!! its in a class of its own.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 14:48:14
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ebabes13
V-vocal are broken,
i used it last night to do a complete vocal harmony with no issues...maybe it'll break later on
Could be. Here's a list of what's being fixed in the X1b patch. - Fixed a potential crash that could occur when changing time durations of a V-Vocal clip.
- Fixed a potential crash that could occur when removing a V-Vocal clip.
- Fixed a potential crash that could occur when adjusting a V-Vocal clip.
- Addressed an error with looping V-Vocal clips.
- Included several general stability improvements when working with V-Vocal.
I love V-Vocal, that's why I've temporarily gone back to 8.5.3 until the X1b patch comes out.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 14:51:25
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ME is the Supercomposer, and all your base are belong to us System Spec: CPU 2x X7560 Xeon 16-Core, 48 GIG Ram Kingston, Intel with Supermicro Workstation MP Boards, RME HDSPe, Radeon HD 5970 hey buddy...why don't you post a pic of all this fabulous equipment and your studio..we would love to see it. and maybe some links to your latest symphony... i just love hearing fantastic new music
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 14:54:32
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@Bub -- Forgive my stupidity or lack of reading comprehension skills....but where exactly in his post, did BlisXY provide false information? Why do you think it's a "false glowing rosie review"?
Trying to wade thru the mountains of BS on this forum lately, to gather information is a lost cause.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 15:08:08
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thanks noonie.
i use vvocal all the time and have not had a problem.
that goes for the perc strip and sonitus delay too.
i did NOT say that there were no bugs and that others arent having some issues.
i have never looped a vvocal clip- maybe thats why i havent crashed...... dunno.
the point is, the person who started this thread did NOT ask "what are the bugs in X1?" that is covered in this forum ad nauseum.
the poster of this thread asked, "who likes X1, and why?
i simply put my opinion , as requested, followe.d by my reasons.
i said nothing false
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 15:16:03
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From my experience, X1 is the best version of Sonar yet. (Since I started with v4). Yes, there are definitely bugs but I think the majority of them will be fixed with the new patch this month. There's definitely not enough bugs for me to stop me working, and I'm working very hapily purely on X1 having completely uninstalled 8.5. Obviously, everybody has different experiences but I hope your experience has been as good as mine!
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 15:26:12
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Bub
ebabes13
V-vocal are broken,
i used it last night to do a complete vocal harmony with no issues...maybe it'll break later on
Could be. Here's a list of what's being fixed in the X1b patch.
- Fixed a potential crash that could occur when changing time durations of a V-Vocal clip.
- Fixed a potential crash that could occur when removing a V-Vocal clip.
- Fixed a potential crash that could occur when adjusting a V-Vocal clip.
- Addressed an error with looping V-Vocal clips.
- Included several general stability improvements when working with V-Vocal.
I love V-Vocal, that's why I've temporarily gone back to 8.5.3 until the X1b patch comes out.
I think the key word there is 'potential'. I've obviously not reached mine yet 'cos it definitely doesn't crash here, only problem I've experienced is a flatline/no audio issue. Doesn't happen if it's the only project open though so that may have been an issue in earlier versions but I wouldn't know, 'cos the "Only allow one project option" worked in earlier versions.  In answer to the OP question - loving it although the bug fixes will be welcome. Best version I've used by far (started on V2).
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 15:31:08
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i have never looped a vvocal clip- maybe thats why i havent crashed...... dunno. Nope, I loop it all the time. Sometimes up to 7 or 8 instances all on full song length clips. I don't have to bounce down either. It just does it's stuff no issues. I actually find it's "Dynamics" mode most useful, although I use all the other modes as well. Fantastic for quickly removing breath and other "quite moment" noises.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 15:32:22
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The thing for me that's different (and better) about X1 versus 8.53 is that I am always returning to X1 now knowing where everything is. 8.53 was always very confusing to me as I'm just a hobbyist and I could never figure out the icon soup, nor did I ever warm up to the interface. (I know others love 8.53 so please, this is not a knock on other users). The Browser and Screen Sets are a revelation - for me. The Multi-Dock is just Ok and I THINK I use it but not sure why. Pro Channel gets better every day and to have it on EVERY channel? Really a nice feature. X1 has been VERY stable on my machine. I've had no issues with VVocal or the PX64 percussion strip though I know others have. Don't use the Sonitus Delay. Couple of bugs that I can work around but no show stoppers here. And like BliXYZ my experience and opinion is not, and cannot be factually incorrect. That's simply the nature of one's experience and opinion. I still think the OP needs to install and share his/her experience.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 15:44:28
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Bub
BlixYZ
bub, i dont teach any of those things where i teach. but i do use some of those things u mentioned without issue such as, percussion strip, vvocal, sonitis delay.
where i teach i use it to record and create/playback accompaniments. it has been a solid tool for me in my work. why u gotta hate on me for sayin as much? just tryin to answer the poor guys question :)
also, why the hell is everyone suddenly saying "niggles"?
this is not a real word, is it?
it sounds dirty......
I simply pointed out that you were factually wrong. :)
Read the X1b fix list. Sonitus Deley and V-vocal are broken, they will be fixed in the X1b patch. Read my friend, read! :) As for PX-64, it's messed up, but it's not clear when it's going to be fixed. Same with some of the acoustic snare samples in Session Drummer 3.
You can give a false glowing rosie review of X1 if you want, but I choose to be honest and let people decide for themselves if they want to get in to it. Most do, so it really doesn't matter what any of us say. And, the OP has already bought it, so I'm not sure what the hell he even asked for?
As long as we're striving to be factual: V-Vocal to the best of my knowledge is no more "broken" in X1 than in any other version of SONAR. These fixes to V-Vocal in X1b are longer standing and have finally been tracked down and addressed with help from Roland. Certainly it's possible that there is some interaction with X1 exacerbating some specific issue but I know of none first-hand. What are you referring to regarding the acoustic snare samples in SD3? You also mentioned the ProChannel as being something you couldn't show to students due to it being broken. I don't see that either and lots of poeple are using and enjoying the ProChannel. Groove Clip looping works too. Surely there are a few valid points in your original post but I would respectfully and humbly submit that you have significantly overstated the situation.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:03:06
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I like X1 very much. I am also surprised to see how many others like it too. Reading this forum one would think its the most hated release in the DAW world.
X1 is by no means perfect but it is no more bug infested then any other release from CW in the past.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:03:51
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hey buddy...why don't you post a pic of all this fabulous equipment and your studio..we would love to see it. and maybe some links to your latest symphony... i just love hearing fantastic new music
They all hate me because I was a little X1 critic. So I rather don´t post any work. I can tell I recently did a lot of offical demos for some of the biggest selling orchestral libraries which are out at the moment (hint: dongle protection...) also some HBO projects and music for a worldwide selling console game. The Computer does not look spectacular. It´s a nice Lian-Li Bigtower silent aluminium case and dual CPU mainboard built by Supermicro. Nothing special except the "X" Xeons DP CPUs are unbelievably overpriced. Guess "X" gives always a cool and expensive touch, guess that is why CW named Sonar "X" also. My studio suite (there are other engineers and composers working in the building) is also pretty standard suited for all kinds of media productions including scoring to picture.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:07:26
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Yeah, yeah Supercomposer- you're totally awesome.
I like X1. Don't quite love it yet but prefer it now to 8.5.
p.s. It seems that lots more people are visiting these forums nowadays.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:08:24
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John
I like X1 very much. I am also surprised to see how many others like it too. Reading this forum one would think its the most hated release in the DAW world.
X1 is by no means perfect but it is no more bug infested then any other release from CW in the past.
Isn't that called "damning with faint praise", ol pal?
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:10:59
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Not from me Ol Pal. Its the way I look at it.
BTW judging by the list of X1b fixes it will turn out to be the least bug infested version ever.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:15:48
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Loptec
I totally love it! :)
Sure, there are bugs that can be annoying as hell.
How ever.. I think it's sad that the guys at cakewalk get so much crap for the bugs and almost no cred for the great job they've actually done!
The new tools, layout and workflow is amazing!
And I'm 100% sure they're working their asses off 24/7 to right all wrongs.
Why wouldn't they? It's the only thing they can do to keep their customers, right?
So.. Long story short: I think Sonar X1 is awesome!
+1
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:24:06
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Just a gentle reminder to allow each other to have our own valid opinions, debate the facts, and be at least relatively civil to one another. Carry on. 
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:48:06
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Bub
As long as we're striving to be factual: V-Vocal to the best of my knowledge is no more "broken" in X1 than in any other version of SONAR. These fixes to V-Vocal in X1b are longer standing and have finally been tracked down and addressed with help from Roland. Certainly it's possible that there is some interaction with X1 exacerbating some specific issue but I know of none first-hand.
The fact that the issue's are there this far along are another subject entirely that I won't go in to.
What are you referring to regarding the acoustic snare samples in SD3?
Some of the snare samples in the acoustic samples cause a white noise to be produced that only stops when you kill the audio engine. I submitted a report CWBRN 4092 and received a response stating they hope to have it addressed in a future release. It's a snare sample that I use in almost every project. I have the luck don't I? Surely there are a few valid points in your original post but I would respectfully and humbly submit that you have significantly overstated the situation.
And I respectfully disagree that I've overstated the situation. I'm only going by personal experience and what I read in the X1b fix list.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:54:11
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Bub
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Bub
As long as we're striving to be factual: V-Vocal to the best of my knowledge is no more "broken" in X1 than in any other version of SONAR. These fixes to V-Vocal in X1b are longer standing and have finally been tracked down and addressed with help from Roland. Certainly it's possible that there is some interaction with X1 exacerbating some specific issue but I know of none first-hand.
The fact that the issue's are there this far along are another subject entirely that I won't go in to.
Thank you.  What are you referring to regarding the acoustic snare samples in SD3?
Some of the snare samples in the acoustic samples cause a white noise to be produced that only stops when you kill the audio engine. I submitted a report CWBRN 4092 and received a response stating they hope to have it addressed in a future release. It's a snare sample that I use in almost every project. I have the luck don't I?
Haven't experienced this myself and not aware of it, but you've certainly piqued my curiosity. Can you tell me which kit per-chance? Did this exist in 8.5? If not I would suggest loading the content you received with 8.5. Incidentally, I know there are some problems with some cymbal chokes that shipped with X1 that were not present with the 8.5 content (and I certainly won't defend that unfortunate oversight - even if it is rather small). Surely there are a few valid points in your original post but I would respectfully and humbly submit that you have significantly overstated the situation.
And I respectfully disagree that I've overstated the situation. I'm only going by personal experience and what I read in the X1b fix list.
OK so we can each comfortably stand by our respective statements and feelings on the subject.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:58:02
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Hi there Brandon Bub will no doubt supply you with the details of the errant snare sample, but when he originally posted the problem, I managed to recreate it. It sounds like THIS if you want to take a listen.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 16:59:47
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Supercomposer- you're totally awesome.
Thank you ShermanSmelville, I like you too! May I invite you to be a member of "Supercomposer and Friends"? This would technically make you a supercomposer too.. kind of
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 17:00:26
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SteveStrummerUK
Hi there Brandon
Bub will no doubt supply you with the details of the errant snare sample, but when he originally posted the problem, I managed to recreate it.
It sounds like THIS if you want to take a listen.
That sounds beautiful. I like how you put it in "metal" genre. @ Bub, if you can tell me what kit it is I'll confirm and try to raise it up the flagpole. Also still wondering if it occurs with the 8.5 content.
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 17:07:10
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Bub
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Bub
As long as we're striving to be factual: V-Vocal to the best of my knowledge is no more "broken" in X1 than in any other version of SONAR. These fixes to V-Vocal in X1b are longer standing and have finally been tracked down and addressed with help from Roland. Certainly it's possible that there is some interaction with X1 exacerbating some specific issue but I know of none first-hand.
The fact that the issue's are there this far along are another subject entirely that I won't go in to.
Thank you.
What are you referring to regarding the acoustic snare samples in SD3?
Some of the snare samples in the acoustic samples cause a white noise to be produced that only stops when you kill the audio engine. I submitted a report CWBRN 4092 and received a response stating they hope to have it addressed in a future release. It's a snare sample that I use in almost every project. I have the luck don't I?
Haven't experienced this myself and not aware of it, but you've certainly piqued my curiosity. Can you tell me which kit per-chance? Did this exist in 8.5? If not I would suggest loading the content you received with 8.5. Incidentally, I know there are some problems with some cymbal chokes that shipped with X1 that were not present with the 8.5 content (and I certainly won't defend that unfortunate oversight - even if it is rather small).
Surely there are a few valid points in your original post but I would respectfully and humbly submit that you have significantly overstated the situation.
And I respectfully disagree that I've overstated the situation. I'm only going by personal experience and what I read in the X1b fix list.
OK so we can each comfortably stand by our respective statements and feelings on the subject.
:) Insert Session Drummer and go to Acoustic then GrooveyKit Brushes. Open step sequencer and audition Hndclp #39. Make sure your volume is turned down first!! :) It never did it in 8.5 until I installed X1. Now it's doing it in 8.5, but I did a funky installation. I did a fresh OS install and loaded X1 with all the synths'/samples/vst's that come with it. Then I installed 8.5 bare bones and pointed the paths to everything X1 installed just to see how it would work. It would have been flawless if not for that silly little snare sample I use all the time. :)
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 17:09:19
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I thought this thread was about who likes X1?
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:So who actually likes X1?
2011/03/03 17:14:36
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Good point John.
@Bub - thanks for the recipe. Like I said...I'll follow up. In the meantime i would suggest replacing those samples with those that came with 8.5. IOW - use the 8.5 content instead.
Having said that - let's go back to the topic of this thread and not stray too far. I'll take partial blame here.
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