Anderton
Agreed...I wonder how many "my DAW doesn't work with Windows 10" comments in other forums relate to PACE issues and not the DAWs themselves?
 
[Oh, and Dreamstation - I realized that scook deleted the post to which I replied. If you didn't see that post, then I totally understand why you didn't know what I was referring to.]
 
 

OK, that explains it then.  Things were going so much nicer now that I didn't want to mention that I still didn't get it, I thought it best just to move on.  Apologies for my earlier, difficult attitude.

Fun indeed. We wasted two days tracking down that one since we couldn't figure out what was causing the random crashing. It turned out that simply setting the application manifest to report windows 10 compatibility with no other changes causes PACE to through a fit. We needed that because in Windows 10 an app cannot query the windows version accurately without this. 

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

John T
So, going back to the OP, it seems there are three new functions here. There might be more, but that's all I can see in the video. And they are: direct control of the DAW pan pot, direct control of the DAW fader, and ability to insert a send.
 
Just my opinion, but that doesn't seem all that decisive to me. You can already control level and pan in Console One on any DAW it works with, albeit in a sort of jury-rigged way. But the practical difference when mixing is minimal-to-none.
 
Ability to insert a send is reasonably nice, I suppose, but I do wonder if it's a significant time-saver.
 
Not knocking it; good work to Softube for continuing to enhance Console One, and good work to Presonus for being quick off the mark supporting such features. But for me personally, I'm not going "holy smokes, it's a whole new 

The three things you list are trivially done with control surface integration.

go on then, implement that trivial thing! genuinely surprised to see this comment given the history of cs integration, or lack thereof, with sonar...

backwoods
That may explain why my softube effects crash Ableton... I agree resonant that sonar is least susceptible to 3rd party vst weirdness. only ones that do anything strange for me now are the steinberg ones-- pots move in circular rather than linear fashion. interestingly they don't work properly in nuendo 4 either (first vst3 host, from steinberg) but work as expected in latest nuendo.

Yep. The Pace bug is affecting Ableton.
 
https://www.ableton.com/en/help/article/ilok-windows-10/
 
There should be an option to switch between linear and circular in Cubase/Nuendo, but I don't remember where it is. I had to give up on Cubase because Omnisphere 2 is my synth of choice along with Reaktor, and it crashes Cubase hard. I managed to crash the program six times with 10 patch changes. I keep it around for the chord track and other midi functions that I export out to Cubase, but it's too unstable for everyday work. Ran through several hundred patches while rating them the other day in Sonar, and there was never a glitch.

What does sonar do and not do with console 1

mdages
The video posted by the op don't really explain the integration to Studio One. It shows some features that still could be done be regular VST integration. I assume they integrate it with the new Mix-FX architecture of S1, that makes it unnecessary to put in the Console 1 plugin to each seperate channel. A Mix-FX plugin can automaticalle communicate with each channel and allows thinks like crosstalking.
This is really new and exclusive to Studio One 3.2.x.
 
I don't expect something similar to Sonar very soon. But maybe Cakewalk do a speach with Presonus to get the same new plugin architecture, like it was with ARA.
 
But, an integration of Console 1 to Sonar is still present. Not as easy to do like in S1, you have to put in the plugin on each channel manually, but overall it works the same.
 
If this one more seamless integration thing is a reason to leave Sonar and jump on to Studio One, ok, never stop travelers.
 
As a user working with both, Sonar (primary) and Studio-One, I can tell you will miss so many other of this nice Sonar things if you change over.
 
-Markus
 

It's simple an extension that allows a vst plugin to talk back to the host and set mixer states. Not that complicated. I'm trying to get more info if isn't proprietary well consider it.

Digital has gotten so good that it exceeds the ability of the human ear already, and so clean that noise generators are created to sound more realistic. It is disconcerting that technology alone is considered the definitive good/bad discriminator (in so many things), but this marketing gimmick has gone on for decades already.

oh it only controls soft tube plugins not third party like waves

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Fun indeed. We wasted two days tracking down that one since we couldn't figure out what was causing the random crashing. It turned out that simply setting the application manifest to report windows 10 compatibility with no other changes causes PACE to through a fit. We needed that because in Windows 10 an app cannot query the windows version accurately without this. 

 
Yeah, Like that tune "Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, Here I am, stuck in the middle with you".
 
I've seen ways around that "depreciation" on CP but y'all have seen it no doubt.
 
I'm Hijacking this thread so I'll just see my way out.

The trick on Softubes Console 1 is the combination of a track plugin to a hardware controller.
You put in the softtube console1 vst plugin to each track and you're ready to control the track and fx features with the Console-1 hardware controller. It's not to control any third party plugins.
 
I assume that the special integration to Studio One's Mix-FX architecture makes it unnecessary to put in the console-1 vst plugin to each track manually. One special Mix-FX plugin inserted to the master and you're ready to control each track with the console-1 hardware.
It's a huge timesaver to implement a channel strip on each track with only one mouse click. Thats imo the big difference to integration of Console-1 on other DAW's.
 
-Markus

decent description of mixfx here http://www.studio-one.expert/studio-one-blog//everything-you-want-to-know-about-presonus-studio-one-32

I will chime in here to try and get things organized. I'm just about to really dig into the mixture of Sonar, V700, and control 1 at the same time. I made a huge change to the analog side of my studio and I'm still waiting on a ton (26 qty) of 8 channels snakes to show up, so I'm here rather than messing with my equipment.
 
The main difference between Control-1 with Studio One and Sonar is not really a problem, but a choice. The choice is, the volume control on the control-1 either adjusts the make up gain of the EQ (As it was originally designed and intended) or it actually controls the fader level of the track. (As the original poster desires). The other difference is the ability to map one of the dials to an Aux send. This boarders on the controller being used as a complete controller rather than a plug in specific controller. Let's say a person wants to control an Aux send with the Control-1. What knob should that be if all are already being used for the plugs? This again depends on integration between Softube and each DAW vender.
 
People that do not have a set of faders will desire the Control 1 to adjust the fader level. People who do have faders would rather it works as it was designed. Even then, if you are doing mainly boosts (typical under 10K hour mixing experience adjustments), you run the risk of track/EQ processing overload (clipping). I have my 10K hours in, but with outside the box systems. Very new to ITB mixing.
 
Really what I desired and in part by the original post person, is an expanded version of the Control 1 that includes 4 aux sends, fader control, and the ability to run two of them at once. Linking the two with a full featured transport and stereo controls. This would allow one to eq two tracks as the same time that are fighting for the same space, or both sides of a stereo track. MS, Blumen, and other Phase related Mic pair controls would also be nice. Once you get that far, the desire for a full set of faders is almost removed because it's faster to select the track and perform the adjustments from an ergonomic standpoint. Softtube did just enough to get people there at minimum cost as a great starting point. Once you allow a plug to be in control of solo, EQ. and comp, the rest of the stuff I bring up would be nice to also get into the package. So in general, I'm suggesting Softube make another box that has stereo, transport, mic, and aux controls that is intended to be used with two control-1's. I will now submit my suggestion to softube. In that fashion, the control-1 does not have to change at all, but add another product that ties everything together. That product can then be integrated with each DAW while leaving the control-1 alone. Products take time to design, plan, program, manufacture, produce, and distribute, and have to make money while everything is going on or we don't get it at all!
 
I also would rather have Sonar remove bugs and clean things up rather than add new bells and whistles. That stated, the hardware surfaces available for easy integration are limited. I'm not aware of any that use RJ-45 connections and are pre-programmed for Sonar. The Nucleus came close, but priced it out of the market by including converters and it does not come pre-programmed for Sonar. if it did, I would own one. I was also hoping for Sonar to work native on an MX4 card. Never gonna happen as that format is no longer being programmed for.

Here is further information on the Console 1 from their web site.
 
The DAW connection 
When you first install Console 1 on your computer, a plug-in aptly named Console 1 appears in your DAW's plug-in folder. When this is inserted on a track, buss or aux channel, the sound is routed to the Console 1 mixer and back. So the DAW and Console 1 are separate systems, but they're connected by the Console 1 plug-in. In order to get control of your entire mix, we recommend that the Console 1 plug-in is inserted on all tracks, buses and aux channels of the DAW project.

backwoods
Pretty tough critique there Drone7 (in my opinion). Many people like Tassman products and if they don't they should take it up with Tassman. Apple includes the best rompler but it is still a distant placed competitor to Kontakt which I wthink most serious musicians would own.
 
Rather than spend money on VST instruments shouldnt Cakewalk (they make DAWs) just keep on keeping on the current tack-- improving stability, new features, bug fixes etc?
 
But I wouldn't be complaining if they threw in Omnisphere! (Apple did buy and monopolize Alchemy which was cruel to the rest of us but brilliant)

 Yep, Apple doesn't have the best rompler because it's not Omnisphere.  There's a few lame synths in Sonar but that doesn't make them any different than other DAWs.  Cyclone was ahead of it's time.  Beatscape should not have been trashed.  I like the Rapture Session.  BTW I was doodling around creating a song and wanted my strings to sound fake like from a synth and I was impressed with those Sound Center Strings on how well they sit in a mix.
 
 Most DAWs always have something for the first time user to create music.  Most advanced users aren't using the included instruments.  I know Studio One beefed up their rompler but most people are going to use something like Kontakt.  Even if you have the Live Suite most of that is still inferior to the Kontakt/Komplete offerings.  Even with Reason having rack extensions users are moving away from the packaged effects/instruments.
 
  I do like the Cakewalk's 3rd party collaborations with XLN and AAS. I've gotten some nice stuff for little money.  As for the DAW I like the direction it's going.  

Well not all of us are "over analyzing" it. I think I gave the correct situation.