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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 01:07:34 (permalink)
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http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/resize-a-partition-for-free-in-windows-vista/


 
Godsend.  \/
This and CCleaner and Disk Cleanup update altogether will probably keep me making music on this pc.
 
However...at the bottom of the page, it says, "Note that the extend partition feature only works with contiguous space."
I'm wondering, if I shrink D drive, which side of D drive will it create space, to the left or to the right? If it's to the right, dose it mean that I can't expand C drive because the space isn't contiguous? Or will I be able to move the space left and right?

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 01:20:39 (permalink)
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The Disk Cleanup update is in Win 7 too, but it's a bit weird to use. You have to run disk cleanup and go through the scan, and the Windows Update files initially won't show in the list. If you then click the button marked "Clean Up System Files" (requires admin privileges) it will do the scan again and add them to the list.


 
Thanks. It showed up in the list and was taking 792MB of my C drive. Deleted it. Good riddance!

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 01:34:03 (permalink)
A point worth noting about disk partitions: there's not really a benefit to partitioning a drive in most cases, apart from organisationally.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 02:02:12 (permalink)
Lesson well learned. Thanks.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 04:26:50 (permalink)
So I used CCleaner and it helped me a lot. Now my C partition's free space, which was only 1.5GB yesterday, is 10.6GB. Wow.
 
CCleaner taught me the major culprit was system restore files. There were nearly 10 files so I deleted most of them. It made a big change.
 
However, I'm starting to think of using an external hard drive for everything other than the OS and applications. After all, that's the recommended setup, isn't it? I currently use two external drives for backup pupose (one to keep in my house and the other to keep elsewhere), one of which is a reasonably-priced, compact HDD. So I'll probably get another reasonably-priced one and use these two for backup purpose, and format the high-priced one to use as a second drive, then I'll be able to delete the D and E partitions and use the whole 320GB (smaller than that in reality) for C drive. I've never recorded anything directly into an external drive, so I don't know if it's going to work as expected, though.
 
Anyway, thank you all so much for helping me. It was a very informative thread. I hope it will help others who are as ignorant as I was.
 
And...yes, I'm ready for X3d now. 

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 09:00:49 (permalink)
I've got a dinosaur system and record to an external drive exclusively.   I don't think that's ever been a problem.  They are USB2 hard drives and I'm a modest home recorder nowadays.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 09:08:29 (permalink)
I just went through this with my own C drive and downloaded WinDirStat (free utility) and it was VERY helpful in seeing what could be cleared off.
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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 09:14:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Jlien X 2013/12/15 10:53:52
If you don't use hybernation, most people don't, and it's on, by default, turn it off. This will recover a substantial amount of hard drive space from the system partition, usually equal to the amount of ram you have installed on your system.

Also, old windows update files are another culprit as already mentioned I believe. Using disc clean up and selecting system files button should show the option for removing these.

Also, if you have any apple devices like iPhone, iPod touch or iPad, their files get backed up to the system partition by default and take a huge amount of space. If so there is a way to trick iTunes and move these files.

I've found these to be the biggest culprits to a disappearing system drive.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 10:16:34 (permalink)
What kind of ports does your laptop have?  eSATA/USB 2/USB 3?
 
I would think an eSATA port would give you the best throughput, and eSATA external drive enclosures are pretty cheap (just load it with a regular 7200 rpm SATA III drive.   They might even make them for SSD drives, which would be a bit smaller.
 
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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 10:21:58 (permalink)
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If you don't use hybernation, most people don't, and it's on, by default, turn it off. This will recover a substantial amount of hard drive space from the system partition, usually equal to the amount of ram you have installed on your system.




I just looked and the hibernation file C:\hiberfil.sys (hidden OS file) on my system is 12 Gb.
Definitely something to consider if you're tight on room.
 
Turning off hibernation in power management should get rid of it.
 
If you're going to be changing your system drive, consider a 120 Gb SSD with a 80 GB partition for the OS.  You won't regret it and you can use your HD for whatever won't fit on it.
 
 

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 10:47:22 (permalink)
Keep in mind, if you leave hibernation on, it can only reside on your boot drive but your paging file can live on any drive.
Glad it was the restore files, I actually disabled system restore on mine since I run a rotating backup nightly. (Rotating means that I always have two days of backup available when I am backing up to a third backup file, a rotation of three files)


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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/14 12:21:26 (permalink)
Like Paul I've just checked the hibernation file (I didn't know there were hidden OS files and how to show them until now.....I'm learning a LOT in the last 24hrs) and it's about 6GB. Good to know this. Thanks.
 
(@WDI: Yes, windows update files have been mentioned and they are indeed a major culprit. As for Apple devices, I have none.)
(@Bob: My laptop ports are USB2)
 
However....after reading all the helpful info from all of you, I still don't understand something. As I said, my laptop’s internal hard drive is 320GB (if I calculate the sizes of three partitions shown in Computer, it's 297.8GB in total). And if it's indeed better to move both the library contents (Kontakt, etc.) in D drive (partition) and project files, etc. in E drive (partition) over to an external drive and record directly into the external drive, then I can delete the partition D & E and expand the partition C and don't need to worry much about local hard drive space, do I? (i.e. no need to turn off hibernation or do Disk Clanup often, etc.?)
 
I guess what I'm trying to ask is...will moving the library contents, project files, presets, etc. to an external drive make a huge difference in recording (or mixing?) The reason why I'm asking such a basic question is because I've been stuck in the songwriting stage, or MIDI stage, for a long time and I haven't done any serious audio recording in Sonar since I upgraded to X1 (that's why my posts are mostly about midi, layouts, etc. aren't they? lol). The last time I did serious audio recording was....January this year…and it was done in Studio One 2….and I didn’t experience any issue.
 
When I upgraded to Windows 7, I optimized my system referring to the following page (and also Sonar Reference Guide and Quad-Capture manual):
http://www.presonus.com/c...7-for-Music-Production
And, according to the “Saving and File Management” section in this page, there are likely to be problems if you make your local drive "too full." So, does that mean if the drive isn’t too full there won’t be serious issues?
 
To better describe my current internal hard drive situation, let me just post a screenshot here (ignore the foreign language, please):


 
 
So, what do you think? The reason why partition D has a lot of free space is because I haven’t reinstalled Dim Pro, Rapture, etc. (but to be honest I’m not sure if I want to reinstall them because I seem to like Kontakt, VI.One and Nexus more than them) and also because there was a possibility that I buy a big piano library (it won’t happen for the time being, or forever, though).
 
So, should I turn off hibernation and save 6GB and maybe move part of data in partition E to an external drive not to make the internal drive “too full” and see if I’ll have any problem when I record audio in Sonar? (which I’m planning to do soon…hopefully)
 
Anyway, I still wonder if other laptop-only users in this forum are all using an external drive for samples, projects, etc.
 
Thanks
 
(off to bed)

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 07:50:04 (permalink)
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I partitioned the hard disk into three drives (C/D/E

Partitioning your hard drive into three parts isn't helping you at all. In fact, it may be causing you problems.
 
Depending on the size of project you're working on, eight gigs of RAM may or may not be enough to keep Windows from hitting your swap file and the swap file--if left to default settings--is going to expand and contract depending on which and how much software you're running.
 
My recommendations:
- repartition your drive so it's all one partition
- get at least another four gigs (eight gigs, preferably)  of RAM if your laptop can accommodate it
 

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 08:11:39 (permalink)
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Partitioning your hard drive into three parts isn't helping you at all. In fact, it may be causing you problems.
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My recommendations:
- repartition your drive so it's all one partition
- get at least another four gigs (eight gigs, preferably)  of RAM if your laptop can accommodate it

 
There's actually one issue I'm starting to believe is caused by partitioning the drive, which is this (yes, it's still happening...) : http://forum.cakewalk.com...-go-away-m2831601.aspx
 
As for your recommendations, do you mean that I need more RAM IF I use just one drive (with everything in one partition)? I'm thinking of using an external drive for samples, projects, etc and in that case 8GB would be fine? (Well, my laptop can't accommodate more than 8GB RAM anyway...)

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 08:24:08 (permalink)
I had the same exact problem just a few months back. On my business computer.
 
It turned out to be the system restore files and folder size. There are options to allow you to make the folder smaller. Doing that one thing, I gained over 40% of my drive back.
 
Once that was done the machine ran so much better.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 09:22:07 (permalink)
Partitioning drives does not cause problems.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 10:10:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby robert_e_bone 2013/12/15 10:35:26
USB drive speed would be a consideration.  If you happen to have an external SATA port on that laptop, that would be a better way to go, though they are pretty rare to find.  I have a feeling you might not be thrilled with the track count/cpu usage of a USB 2 drive for your projects/audio (unless you were thinking of the audio stream on c: and the projects themselves on external - though the projects are so small, it's the audio that takes up the space).
 
Also, I don't know that you mentioned: is the internal drive in your laptop 5400rpm or 7200rpm?  If the former and you get a 7200 in the external drive, you might not see performance issues in comparison, but if you have a 7200 internal drive, it's going to be hard to match that speed with a USB2 device.  These external drives are great for storage but less so for fast real-time access than the internal sata drives. 
 
All that said, laptops are generally not my favorites for performance like Sonar really needs to work right anyway.  Desktops just TEND TO have more resources and available overhead in my experience.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 10:35:44 (permalink)
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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 10:48:05 (permalink)
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Partitioning drives does not cause problems.

 
Then the "Busy" message issue I mentioned above shouldn't be because of partitioning. Good to know that. But I think it's something to do with the folder location because I've recently read someone having a similar issue and IIRC he said the issue was resolved by moving the Picture Cache folder to some other location. My Picture Cache folder is in the E partition, and if I discover that my problem also gets resolved by moving it somewhere else, and if it has to be in C, then I'll put everything in C and remove D and E. There's no problem with the sound and the waveforms, but all the audio clips in all projects keep showing "Busy" at the end of the clip name, which is a bit annoying.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 10:49:53 (permalink)
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USB drive speed would be a consideration.  If you happen to have an external SATA port on that laptop, that would be a better way to go, though they are pretty rare to find.  I have a feeling you might not be thrilled with the track count/cpu usage of a USB 2 drive for your projects/audio (unless you were thinking of the audio stream on c: and the projects themselves on external - though the projects are so small, it's the audio that takes up the space).
 
Also, I don't know that you mentioned: is the internal drive in your laptop 5400rpm or 7200rpm?  If the former and you get a 7200 in the external drive, you might not see performance issues in comparison, but if you have a 7200 internal drive, it's going to be hard to match that speed with a USB2 device.  These external drives are great for storage but less so for fast real-time access than the internal sata drives. 
 
All that said, laptops are generally not my favorites for performance like Sonar really needs to work right anyway.  Desktops just TEND TO have more resources and available overhead in my experience.


 
Thanks for good advice. The internal drive in my laptop is 7200rpm. And I just checked the spec of my external hard drive and it says......N/A. So, I guess I shouldn't take a risk and should just continue using the internal drive for everything. I'm not particularly suffering from an issue at the moment (except for the minor "Busy" message issue, and the disk free space issue which I can now solve by resizing the C partition and deleting unnecesary files, thanks to everyone who provided helpful information in this thread). But if I start recording lots of audio clips in a project and start mixing with lots of plugins, I may have some serious issue. I'll think about what to do then.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 10:51:55 (permalink)
If you haven't already, get yourself a copy of Acronis True Image 2014, now on sale till the end of the month.
Great for backups but also good for cloning hard drives when upgrading them, I suspect that might come in useful soon.
 
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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 10:58:26 (permalink)
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If you haven't already, get yourself a copy of Acronis True Image 2014, now on sale till the end of the month.
Great for backups but also good for cloning hard drives when upgrading them, I suspect that might come in useful soon.
 
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Thanks. I'm using Acronis True Image 2009 for backups. I'm not sure about "cloning hard drives." What benefit do I get from that?

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 11:02:12 (permalink)
> I'm not sure about "cloning hard drives.
 
Well that's what Acronis does, but I'm thinking about when you need to swap out your smaller hard drive for a larger one. BTW upgrade price is now $30, may be useful if you think you are going to Win8 at any stage.

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 11:26:43 (permalink)
I'm thinking of using Win 7 for a long time (at least until the next OS is released), and I think I don't need a bigger internal drive at the moment (I'm not buying any more virtual instruments. Bought too many). Also, True Image Home 2009 is working fine. But thanks for your suggestions.  (I'm working less these days to spend more time on music, so I need to save money )
 
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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 12:12:39 (permalink)
links i've accumulated regarding freeing up hard drive space
 
hhttp://pghboemike.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/reclaim-hard-drive-space/
 
 

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 12:25:48 (permalink)
 
One huge partition may be a pain to back up.
 

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 12:36:41 (permalink)
> One huge partition may be a pain to back up.
 
Partition cloning/exact images are always the best way to go unless you like playing Russian roulette with your restores, and backups are always a pain. Plus you can do incremental backups (saving time).

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 13:07:41 (permalink)
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> One huge partition may be a pain to back up.
 
Partition cloning/exact images are always the best way to go unless you like playing Russian roulette with your restores, and backups are always a pain.




Not sure if you're agreeing or not, but I'm talking about always having to image 320gb's worth (for example) of a drive with a single partition even if only 80gb's are used.
 
I agree partitions are mostly for organisation (and backups), but that's exactly what I use them for, not for performance.  Separate physical drives for performance.   And SSD's !
 

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 13:33:55 (permalink)
> Not sure if you're agreeing or not, but I'm talking about always having to image 320gb's worth (for example) of a drive with a single partition even if only 80gb's are used.
 
Doesn't work that way unless you are talking about sector by sector images (which can also be handled by Acronis). By default the images with Acronis will expand when drive space gets larger (they work like system restore points), and you can also do incremental backups after you've done your first image. Images can be taken partition by partition although you can do the whole hard drive if you want to. Cheers... :)

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Re: HELP!! My C drive free space keeps decreasing and I won't be able to install X3d!!! 2013/12/15 13:49:04 (permalink)
Oh BTW when I said "exact images", yes I was misleading although for general purposes yes they are. Sorry.

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