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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 09, 10 10:16 AM (permalink)
Is it because you can unfreeze a synth if something just isn't right and adjust n freeze as you like until your satisfied?
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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 09, 10 10:17 AM (permalink)
Is it because you can unfreeze a synth if something just isn't right and adjust n freeze as you like until your satisfied?

I find it handy for just letting me get the basics of what i want down. freeze it and continue with other instruments until im happy with arrangement and then work on the sounds. Freezing and unfreezing to save cpu n memory wastage.
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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 09, 10 10:22 AM (permalink)
If  you keep the midi around, you keep the synth cpu usage around (and the fx cpu use, if applicable), unless you disable the synth. I love to freeze - I don't know how many times it's made for a fast and easy to anything from changing tuning on a tom (or the whole hit, for that fact), change amps or tone on a sim, add an effect in the track bin, etc. Super 'liquid' way to leave your options open - and it saves all resources.

Only thing it doesn't do is keep your tracks at the level they were before the freeze.

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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 09, 10 10:46 AM (permalink)
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If  you keep the midi around, you keep the synth cpu usage around (and the fx cpu use, if applicable), unless you disable the synth. I love to freeze - I don't know how many times it's made for a fast and easy to anything from changing tuning on a tom (or the whole hit, for that fact), change amps or tone on a sim, add an effect in the track bin, etc. Super 'liquid' way to leave your options open - and it saves all resources.

Only thing it doesn't do is keep your tracks at the level they were before the freeze.


Not with a freeze. It does disable the synth and any FX because the audio is rendered. Check it out in the manual.

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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 09, 10 11:03 AM (permalink)
Maybe I didn't say it right - I was trying to say that keeping the midi track alive w/o use of freeze would reqiure disabling  the synth(s) to regain the cpu from any synth/fx. RAM, too. Thanks.

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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 09, 10 11:37 AM (permalink)
Looks like another good reason to stick with good ol' reliable bouncing instead of freezing---I never got why the latter was supposedly preferable anyway.

I love the freeze feature and use it often. It's all about speed and convenience. It's not just the convenience of freezing over bouncing; much more valuable is the convenience of quickly un-freezing when you need to tweak something.

Freezing isn't always about saving CPU cycles, either. Here's an example of how I used the freeze feature just the other day, to quickly extract a hit from a drum track.

I wanted one snare hit to have a big reverb tail on it - just the one hit. Now, I could have automated the reverb but that would be inefficient, CPU-wise. So I froze the drums, highlighted the one hit and ctl-dragged it into another track where I could apply the reverb as a clip effect and bounce it. Now I've got big reverb on one snare hit with no extra CPU overhead. A quick unfreeze of the synth and I'm back to editing mode.



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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 09, 10 2:22 PM (permalink)
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Looks like another good reason to stick with good ol' reliable bouncing instead of freezing---I never got why the latter was supposedly preferable anyway.

I love the freeze feature and use it often. It's all about speed and convenience. It's not just the convenience of freezing over bouncing; much more valuable is the convenience of quickly un-freezing when you need to tweak something.

Freezing isn't always about saving CPU cycles, either. Here's an example of how I used the freeze feature just the other day, to quickly extract a hit from a drum track.

I wanted one snare hit to have a big reverb tail on it - just the one hit. Now, I could have automated the reverb but that would be inefficient, CPU-wise. So I froze the drums, highlighted the one hit and ctl-dragged it into another track where I could apply the reverb as a clip effect and bounce it. Now I've got big reverb on one snare hit with no extra CPU overhead. A quick unfreeze of the synth and I'm back to editing mode.

+10 to everything you said.  And, since they introduced the ability to freeze or NOT freeze the track FX, that is a big plus for me.
 
I will often freeze tracks without freezing the FX so I can continue to make those changes.  But when I freeze with FX it's like an audit trail for the settings.  So it's getting my cake and eating too.
 
 

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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 10, 10 2:09 AM (permalink)
I love the freeze feature and use it often. It's all about speed and convenience. It's not just the convenience of freezing over bouncing; much more valuable is the convenience of quickly un-freezing when you need to tweak something.

 
There are actually 2 things I dislike about freezing:
 
1- The color of the track that's frozen is ALWAYS white ..ugh.
2- If you unfreeze often, Sonar will crash.
 
 

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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 10, 10 10:32 AM (permalink)
There are actually 2 things I dislike about freezing: 1- The color of the track that's frozen is ALWAYS white ..ugh. 2- If you unfreeze often, Sonar will crash.

Haven't experienced point #2, but agree with the color complaint. By the time I get to the final mix stage, my larger projects have all turned monochromatic. It would be nice if there were some other way to indicate a frozen track and leave the colors intact.


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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 10, 10 10:45 AM (permalink)
Yeah, keep the clip its original color but have some nice crystalline icicles hanging off the top edge. 
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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 10, 10 1:27 PM (permalink)
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There are actually 2 things I dislike about freezing: 1- The color of the track that's frozen is ALWAYS white ..ugh. 2- If you unfreeze often, Sonar will crash.

Haven't experienced point #2, but agree with the color complaint. By the time I get to the final mix stage, my larger projects have all turned monochromatic. It would be nice if there were some other way to indicate a frozen track and leave the colors intact.

Yes, agreed.   As it is now, it looks horrible with all tracks frozen.   And then colorizing them is time consuming.
 
 

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Re:Superior Drummer 3db louder after freezing - can you duplicate? June 10, 10 1:28 PM (permalink)
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Yeah, keep the clip its original color but have some nice crystalline icicles hanging off the top edge. 

The track widgets change to reflect the frozen state, so I don't see the need for the 'monochromatic' stuff.
Colors do help keep things organized.
 

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