Jim Roseberry
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/23 15:41:19
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So now I'm not only a bit peeved that CW released a defective product, I'm peeved that it's infected a superior product with it's disease. AND i am quite surprised that CW would further risk it's reputation by continuing to market this junk. If you simply want to get v8.53 installed and working properly, that can be accomplished in just a few minutes. 1. Uninstall all versions of Sonar using "Programs and Features" 2. Uninstall all Microsoft C++ redistributables using Programs and Features 2. Manually delete all folders pertaining to Sonar 3. Using the Registry Editor; go to HKLM>Software>Cakewalk Music Software and delete the Sonar keys. Now, go to HKCU>Software>Cakewalk Music Software and delete the Sonar keys. 4. Reinstall Sonar 8.5 and patch to version 8.53 Sonar v8.53 will now act just as it did...
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Middleman
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/23 16:51:59
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10ten and Jrehanek if a bunch of us pitch in and pay you back each $99, will you both promise to never come here again and move on to another companies product?
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/23 17:12:29
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Middleman
10ten and Jrehanek if a bunch of us pitch in and pay you back each $99, will you both promise to never come here again and move on to another companies product?
What and lose some of the best comedy I've ever read?
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/23 17:21:43
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There is really no right answer to this question.
It all depends on HOW you use the DAW and what features you use or don't use.
True, at this exact moment in time, X1 has it's problems but it has great potential.
It is kind of like asking which is better ... a 12" ruler or a full 36" yardstick.
Depending on what you are measuring and how much free space you have to move around, there are times the smaller 12" ruler would be a better choice than a 36" yardstick.
From my perspective (which is only a personal opinion) ...... if your DAW is mostly used as a multitrack recorder and advanced editing tool, I think Sonar 8.0 is better from what I have seen. Especially if you own and use lots of outboard high quality gear.
By contrast, if you don't already have pro level preamps, channel strips and use your DAW as not just a recording tool ..... but a music composing and creation tool , it appears X1 may end up being the better option once they work out all the bugs.
But like a debate between which is better Porsche or Ferrari ......... it really comes down to personal preference more than anything else.
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Middleman
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/23 18:35:38
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Middleman
10ten and Jrehanek if a bunch of us pitch in and pay you back each $99, will you both promise to never come here again and move on to another companies product?
What and lose some of the best comedy I've ever read?
How selfish of me. Of course you are right.
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Jrehanek
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/23 20:10:51
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@Middlemen
99 bucks isn't going to cover it at this point:
Purchase price $99
CD and shipping because CW wouldn't allow the program to download in the allotted 300 minutes: about 40 bucks
8 hours of lost tracking time: $240.00
8 hours dicking with Sonar to try to get it to work again: $240.00
So, I counter. You can buy me out for $619.00
Of course, I've been busily making music with Sonar since Sonar 5, and I've lived through numerous iterations of the product. Purchased every one, except seven, I think. So say what you want, this forum is for helping people, it's also for complaining too. What else am I supposed to do, kick my dog? He bites! But not as badly as X1.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/23 20:15:43
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@ Jim Roseberry
Thanks Jim. Tracks were retained as they are during a system restore, so whatever screwed them up in x1 is still there: 8.5.3 just crashes now too when they are opened.
Old work is unaffected. At this point the session is a loss. I appreciate the help on getting Sonar working again. I'll give it a try tomorrow.
Thanks again
John
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/23 22:15:29
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Jrehanek
I'm gonna have to agree with your statement, except:
8.5.3 was the best including x1, until I installed x1. Now 8.5.3 is having issues as well. I've uninstalled x1. now every time i pull up the help file in 8.5.3 and run a help query, the audio slows down. i have to go to the options/audio dialogue and click or unclick jut about anything and the audio goes back to normal. Nudging casuses the same problem. WTF Cakewalk? it's not like you couldn;t have found a whole bunch of us to Beta test this piece of crap before you release it!
So now I'm not only a bit peeved that CW released a defective product, I'm peeved that it's infected a superior product with it's disease. AND i am quite surprised that CW would further risk it's reputation by continuing to market this junk.
It's time to pull the product off the shelf, admit that it was a mistake to release it, and fix it. I was just going to request a refund (sent that email this morning) now i'm wondering if i'll ever be able to use this program again!
You may have to re-install 8.5.3 from scratch...that worked for me.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/24 07:51:59
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Jim Roseberry
So now I'm not only a bit peeved that CW released a defective product, I'm peeved that it's infected a superior product with it's disease. AND i am quite surprised that CW would further risk it's reputation by continuing to market this junk.
If you simply want to get v8.53 installed and working properly, that can be accomplished in just a few minutes.
1. Uninstall all versions of Sonar using "Programs and Features"
2. Uninstall all Microsoft C++ redistributables using Programs and Features
2. Manually delete all folders pertaining to Sonar
3. Using the Registry Editor; go to HKLM>Software>Cakewalk Music Software and delete the Sonar keys. Now, go to HKCU>Software>Cakewalk Music Software and delete the Sonar keys.
4. Reinstall Sonar 8.5 and patch to version 8.53
Sonar v8.53 will now act just as it did...
Spot on Jim. I did this last week and I'm now back in my "happy place" with 8.5.3
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/24 08:14:07
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Looking forward to X1b in the hope of getting something stable with which to work. Sadly despite all efforts X1a is broken for me. While 8.3 and 8.5 continue to work well.
With previous versions it was me who always had the perfect sytsem that just ran fine (apart from acknowledged bugs) from the very first release. My turn to have a complete and utter failure. This is a first in about 15 years. Ces't la vie.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/24 10:14:16
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mudgel
Looking forward to X1b in the hope of getting something stable with which to work. Sadly despite all efforts X1a is broken for me. While 8.3 and 8.5 continue to work well.
With previous versions it was me who always had the perfect sytsem that just ran fine (apart from acknowledged bugs) from the very first release. My turn to have a complete and utter failure. This is a first in about 15 years. Ces't la vie.
Mike - your epxerience with X1 is uncannilly similar to mine. Especially: it was me who always had the perfect sytsem that just ran fine... from the very first release. My turn to have a complete and utter failure
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/24 11:23:14
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Of course, I've been busily making music with Sonar since Sonar 5, and I've lived through numerous iterations of the product. Purchased every one, except seven, I think.... That long and you just joined the forum 2 days ago?
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/24 12:03:40
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g_randybrown
Of course, I've been busily making music with Sonar since Sonar 5, and I've lived through numerous iterations of the product. Purchased every one, except seven, I think....
That long and you just joined the forum 2 days ago?
That's perfectly feasible. I never used the forum until 2008 and I started on GT Pro and then moved to Sonar 2 which was 2002 I think. 6 years of Sonar experience before I joined although my upgrade path was 2->4->5->7->8.3->8.5 free X1 upgrade offer. Not all users of the software come here and not all new to the forums are noobs to Sonar.
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Jrehanek
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/24 12:16:11
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That long and you just joined the forum 2 days ago?
Well, yes, not unlike many folks here I never really had any issues that caused me to lose work, or that corrupted previous versions.
Some on the forum are probably doubting my history with Cakewalk. Fact is I hate being involved in forums, which is why I don't post here. But for the doubters and the haters:
1/8/2011
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Jrehanek
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/29 22:04:58
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I finally got around to uninstalling sonar 6, 8 and 8.5. UNinstalled the c++ stuff as well. Was going to press on without doing this, but 8.5 stopped working completely. Weird.
Went in to the registry, deleted all the Cakewalk files etc..
Since 8.5 was downloaded, I went back to my downloads folder and tried to reinstall it. No dice. Downloading it again now, (95 kbs. Thanks cakewalk. S1 downloaded at over 240) will try to reinstall it later. I have the disks for 8, so maybe I take two steps back.
Anyway, had clients in the studio. Had to do something. Engineer pressing me to buy PT9. Downloaded the s1 demo version instead.
Yes, S1 looks like a toy. Really horrible on the screen, unless you like greyscale and have eyes like microscopes. However: it downloaded in 5 minutes. I tracked a song with 49 separate tracks. It performed flawlessly. It sounds good. It works. Did I mention that it works? No clicks, no pops, no jitter, low latency. None of the legacy issues that I have been conditioned to accept as a Sonar user. Damn tuner plug in even works. Imagine that on a 64 bit machine...Best part-Cost: ZERO. Yeah, it's way shy of sonar 8.5.3 in functionality. From what I got to hear out of x1 before it turned into a pile of grey computer goo, x1 is sonically superior. But, it doesn't work. It just doesn't work. God D****** it just doesn't frickin WORK!
I am damn pleased that it works for some folks. Really tickled. I just ain't one of them. I've always been one of the lucky ones. Not this time...
And, for the record, I am not "part of the problem" because I expect the software to work as advertised. I've spent 24 hours recording worthless tracks, debugging, crashing, throwing stuff, uninstalling, etc. registry-ing, re-recording tracks that I'm not getting paid for... So let me say to my CW developer friends: I hope your donuts are stale Monday morning. But I also hope they're consumed at a meeting of the minds where someone with a little common sense will speak up and say something to the effect of "Hey guys. we're killing our own brand. We should probably stop that."
I can't say enough times that someone up at CW needs to make the decision to pull the plug on continued sales until the major crash bugs are fixed. It's just good business sense folks. You've shot yourselves in the foot. Put the gun down! Fix x1, THEN sell it. Take steps to make things right with your existing customers. Right now. Whatever you have to do.
For me, I'm going to try to get 8.5.3 working again. Really love that program, and don't feel compelled to spend two cents on anything else at the moment. Still, I am HUGELY disappointed in x1. It's a headache in a box.
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johnnykap
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/30 09:53:12
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At this point I have not upgraded to X1; I'm ok waiting a few months till more of the bugs get worked out.
So I'm still using 8.5.3.
And guys, I give you my internet word that the content of this post is true.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/30 10:15:57
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I don't find any differnces except on the aspect and workflow ....but i must that cpu talking , the video engine of X1 is way more hungry...done the test specially on the console view ....
Saying X1 is more stable than 8.5.x and give no dropout just translate the "tolerance" variable on the AUD.ini ....that indicate when to dropout (how many samples lost before dropping out)
So to sum up i simply think :
Superior to full HD screen + New cpu based comp : X1
if no stick with 8.5 ......in person i have 1900*1200 screen on my main daw I7 920 but still on 8.5....because of workflow issues that making me stay away from X1 for now ...
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/30 10:55:03
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I always found that 8.5.3 did an amazing job handling all my audio needs, X1 hasn't changed that, The only negative thing I can say as far as preformance goes in X1 is , I find sluggish movement when dragging windows around , not sure why. 8.5.3 for me its smooth as glass when moving windows around.
Im Just patiently waiting to see what CW dose with x1b.
For me my overall experience in X1 has not been good by any means at all. My setup has crashed more times in 2 months with x1 then ever before, since I been upgrading every year since version 3 I can total up all crashes and it dosen't add up to the last 2 months,( might be exaggerating a little ).. but the handling of audio preformance is top notch. Im sure X2 will be super stable, Im not planning on x1b to be the savior as 2 months I don't think is enough time for the developers to nearly fix everything that went wrong. But hopefully they get close and I can begin to have fun once again making music.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/30 11:46:00
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I hope the Cakewalk folks are taking in all these comments and having a major meeting to determine where they are going.
1. Do they want to make a daw for recording with a lot of outboard gear, or a daw for making it all in the daw, or both?
2. Do they want the customer to have a lot of flexibility in the coloring and font contrast scheme?
3. Do they want to issue a product that is more audio based and another that has the video functions - I imagine the majority do not put video in.
4. One approach may be to do the X1B mod, but announce another product that will take the best of X1B and just apply it to 8.5.3.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/30 11:48:05
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deswind
I hope the Cakewalk folks are taking in all these comments and having a major meeting to determine where they are going.
1. Do they want to make a daw for recording with a lot of outboard gear, or a daw for making it all in the daw, or both?
2. Do they want the customer to have a lot of flexibility in the coloring and font contrast scheme?
3. Do they want to issue a product that is more audio based and another that has the video functions - I imagine the majority do not put video in.
4. One approach may be to do the X1B mod, but announce another product that will take the best of X1B and just apply it to 8.5.3. I am willing to pay double or triple for this LEGACY ENHANCED 8.5.3. product, as I will easily make up that money in time saved.
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Jrehanek
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/30 17:46:25
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8.5.3 is working again. What, like a week later? Sweet.
However, projects recorded in x1 ( i had one that we made it though a session with) open fine, they even play fine. I might even be able to use them. (Fingers crossed) But, the problem with the help file (opening the help file causes audio to slow down) is still there on those files. Files recorded in 8.5.3 are now fine. Chump don't get no help.
As my old friend Dart used to say, incessantly, "That's just weird." Hopefully it's helpful to the folks trying to make x1 work for the rest of us.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2011/01/31 16:10:49
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after a few weeks of acclimating myself to X1, i will say i prefer it to 8.53. i have only had one big crash, due to v-vocal (luckily i was smart to save before pushing that button!). that Sonar Helper tool is ACES with me, and may have aided in my decision to pick X1 over 8.53. so my vote might not count
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2012/08/17 17:08:31
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I have been away from the recording world for a while and I have 8.5.3 and no problems. I have watched the demo and what appeals to me are the Mastering tools that come with X1 but reading this entire thread at times I felt good about X1 and towards the end I was not so sure. I don't want to upgrade at the risk of crashes but I don't want the ability to have a better final product which X1 is stating to be better at.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2012/08/17 20:48:10
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The upgrades to X1D makes things fine. Make sure you get there. The Pro Channel stuff has been great for me.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2012/08/17 23:32:25
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Thanks I think I will give X1 a shot
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2012/08/18 06:09:56
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Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ? Hi Etostone, to me, both.........on my sys....... On my sys 8.5.3 can handle far more audio-tracks ( more than 50 incl. effects aso ) and till 20 midi-tracks together. For Rock- recording sessions 8.5.3 simply runs better. X1 is on my sys far better in workflow, sound ( the included Vst`s in expanded like eq,cl,comp aso) and fun to work with. I guess ,when I upgrade in oct. to a new PC ( I7) and win 7-64 (still have a dual core and XP) everything changes, cause X1 and X2 are created for this newest pc`s and can handle multiple processors regards.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2012/08/18 12:47:28
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I just installed do I still need the X1D or is it included?
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2012/08/18 19:42:04
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Not sure - go to Help / About Sonar and see if it says X1D. If not, you'll have to add the patches.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2012/08/19 11:20:07
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8.53 is STILL WAY more solid and reliable and less buggy than X1 by FAR!!! X1 is SO buggy, they've abandond it all together and are forcing customers to pay for a completely different version just to HOPEFULLY get back some of the features and dependebility that were not there during the 1st two patches (a and b) or were broken by the last patch (d). I recommended and set up multiple Sonar 8.53 Studios, and even earlier versiions. (I've been using since at least version 2) I officially Stopped recommending Sonar as of X1. Complete unreliability and full of functions that don't work as they are boasted to. Customer service seems to be at the BOTTOM of Cakewalks priorities.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 or X1 ? Which is better ?
2012/08/19 18:05:47
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8.5.3 is more compact and you can see more info at a glance.
X1 sprawls, but you can flip views in and out as you work.
On a laptop, you might find 8.5.3 more comfortable.
I use Win7 64bit and I find both perfectly stable. Individual experiences depend on which plugins and what parts of Sonar are used.
Naturally, interface driver and hardware issues can also spoil a user's experience, but that has nothing to do with Sonar.
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