Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 04:52:02
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☄ Helpfulby Ansu 2018/02/24 11:21:15
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So the gloom and doom team doesn't have a very good track record. I'm betting on the other guys 
I do have some familiarity with deals on this level, and they take quite a while to finalize - particularly with a company like Cakewalk that had several third-party relationships. Be patient, and enjoy the ride.
Good things come to those who are patient. You might very well be surprised by the outcome in a few weeks or months. After the announcement in Nov I suggested patience instead of panic. I think it worked itself out pretty well all things considered don't you think?
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 05:00:42
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Well, I for one am excited about the continuation of Cakewalk under Bandlab. Previously all I could hope for was that the servers would keep running and still allow me to use SONAR. Now there's hope it'll actually continue in development. From all that we've seen, I think it's extremely unlikely that everything will fold up and SONAR will cease to exist on our computers. Let's stop complaining please!
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 07:08:46
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 09:13:31
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Cakewalk was dead now it is alive again is that not a good thing. I definitely think so. Thanks
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 10:14:46
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This is indeed good news, but there are always someone that has to see it from a different point of view.
As of now, we know what has been written by the people in charge.
Give it a few days/weeks to unfold, and we might have more understanding of all of this.
All the best.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 10:48:28
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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So the gloom and doom team doesn't have a very good track record. I'm betting on the other guys
I do have some familiarity with deals on this level, and they take quite a while to finalize - particularly with a company like Cakewalk that had several third-party relationships. Be patient, and enjoy the ride.
Good things come to those who are patient. You might very well be surprised by the outcome in a few weeks or months. After the announcement in Nov I suggested patience instead of panic. I think it worked itself pretty well all things considered don't you think?
Indeed Noel and my father taught me that patience often prevails in the long run. Having just been through a “year of uncertainty hell” while my organisation restructured my department and finally becoming redundant yesterday, which was quite an emotional experience after many years, this news made my “bloody day” and really reiterates the above sentiment. It also gives me hope for the future and reiterates another saying “when one door closes, another opens” – you just have to look for it! Considering the history of Cakewalk and recent financial challenges, it makes perfect sense to me why this outcome would seem to be the best in that, Cakewalk as a company hasn’t been purchased but rather the IP, its core products because in this way Cakewalk’s core strengths, such as Sonar, can truly live on and allowed to flourish but at the same time, be freed from being pinned to legacy difficulties. I’m really glad to see Noel and Ben being taken on into the new order because this gives me the confidence that Sonar will be developed in continuation with its original values and visions going forward. For the record, this is exactly why, while I looked at other DAWs in case it all went “pear-shaped “, I’ve stuck with using Sonar and also not bolted from this forum. The future is bright, the future is “Sonar Re-Imagined” so long live Cakewalk and the legacy which is to be SONAR!
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 11:04:33
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"So the gloom and doom team doesn't have a very good track record. I'm betting on the other guys " Actually, the gloom and doom team won the bet when Gibson chose to renege on the lifetime membership deal. But that's beside the point. I have hundreds of hours of original material recorded on the Sonar Platinum Lifetime Membership platform. The last time I visited this site Gibson stated something to the effect of, don't worry because, even though they gave up on Sonar as a product, they still planned on keeping the activation site up permanently. Now I'm reading, it's possible the activation site no longer works. What I need to know is, what steps do I need to take right now to protect my precious life's work? Can I activate my remaining software, install the latest updates, and backup my drive in an attempt protect myself in the future? Or do I risk breaking my current build if I try? Is there a FAQ posted somewhere for end users explaining how to handle the current situation? Or have we simply been abandoned by Gibson? Thanks. :)
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 11:14:53
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Read the sticky on the SONAR forum. It is all explained there.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 12:52:31
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/02/24 12:58:44
We were given great news yesterday in the announcement that Cakewalk/Sonar is being rescued from oblivion.
It's cause to celebrate, to be relieved, to have hope, and to be happy. I read the all the announcements and information posted by BandLab and thought that just in the first 24 hours of the initial announcement, we got much more information than most of us could have hoped for. Including the statement:
"...our steadfast goal is that former SONAR owners (of all versions) will not need to spend any money to cross-over/cross-grade to the future flagship product."
And yet after reading all of THIS thread's negative, impatient, worst-case-scenario comments by a handful of doom and gloomers, it basically sucked all the celebratory feelings I originally had after reading that Cakewalk and Sonar have a new lease on life.
There should be a separate thread called, "The Nitpicker's rantings of everything and anything that could possibly go wrong or not exactly how I'd like it."
As well as the "I expected to have every question answered within the first 24 hours of this announcement thread."
We waited several months for good news like this. Can't you folks find the patience to wait a few more days or weeks to get more information before projecting the worst case scenario of every aspect of this otherwise happy news???
And for the love of God and all that is holy, can you PLEASE stop attacking one and other? We don't want our new friends at BandLab thinking we're a bunch of immature, angry knuckleheads that can't be civil enough whenever something new is announced.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 13:48:19
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☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2018/02/24 13:52:09
There is no "Gibson activation" site. Activation is handled both by the application and the Cakewalk webside back end.
BandLab have acquired all assets and that includes the website and back end. So nothing is going to happen to existing activation's during or after the transition to BandLab. If you choose the reinstall the software the same activation process with apply as before.
If we choose to change how this is done in the future of course we're going to make sure that existing customers are not affected so there is no need for needless worry.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 13:56:09
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Thank you for the clarification.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 13:56:31
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"...our steadfast goal is that former SONAR owners (of all versions) will not need to spend any money to cross-over/cross-grade to the future flagship product."
Doesn't this mean we can cross over to their BandLab platform (enhanced with the newly acquired Sonar code and plugins)? Why would BandLab release Sonar in its present form and compete with themselves meaning, compete with their own flagship product (i.e. BandLab)?
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 13:59:32
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 14:00:01
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"...our steadfast goal is that former SONAR owners (of all versions) will not need to spend any money to cross-over/cross-grade to the future flagship product."
Doesn't this mean we can cross over to their BandLab platform (enhanced with the newly acquired Sonar code and plugins)? Why would BandLab release Sonar in its present form and compete with themselves meaning, compete with their own flagship product (i.e. BandLab)?
"the reason why I am not using the word SONAR when referring to the new flagship product is not because it's planned to be a different product, it's just that we're doing the legal/brand work to make sure calling it that would be the right thing to do and wouldn't cause any confusion in the market given the circumstances over the last couple of months. You can take it to mean " future version of SONAR, or whatever it might be called". http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3730932
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 15:22:06
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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So the gloom and doom team doesn't have a very good track record. I'm betting on the other guys
I do have some familiarity with deals on this level, and they take quite a while to finalize - particularly with a company like Cakewalk that had several third-party relationships. Be patient, and enjoy the ride.
Good things come to those who are patient. You might very well be surprised by the outcome in a few weeks or months. After the announcement in Nov I suggested patience instead of panic. I think it worked itself out pretty well all things considered don't you think?
So glad that you will be with us into the future Noel, looking forward to seeing what develops. Roy
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 15:49:13
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
There is no "Gibson activation" site. Activation is handled both by the application and the Cakewalk webside back end.
BandLab have acquired all assets and that includes the website and back end. So nothing is going to happen to existing activation's during or after the transition to BandLab. If you choose the reinstall the software the same activation process with apply as before.
If we choose to change how this is done in the future of course we're going to make sure that existing customers are not affected so there is no need for needless worry.
Noel: Thank you for your targeted and well thought-out explanation! It's a huge asset to have someone on this forum who exercises sound logic. I truly appreciate your response. :)
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 16:23:32
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
There is no "Gibson activation" site. Activation is handled both by the application and the Cakewalk webside back end.
BandLab have acquired all assets and that includes the website and back end. So nothing is going to happen to existing activation's during or after the transition to BandLab. If you choose the reinstall the software the same activation process with apply as before.
My concern wasn't that the activation processes were on Gibson servers. I was more concerned that Gibson would go under and liquidate assets and not sell them to someone that cares about the SONAR community. Without a perspective that provided a view of how bad things really are (the financial media is not making it look good for Gibson right now, with August being a critical deadline) or are not, and not knowing about negotiations in progress, I felt slightly pessimistic about the longevity and timing for the shutdown of the activation servers. If they shut them down before you could provide a long term solution we'd have lost our access to migrating Platinum to future upgrade workstations. I do still have my fall back to X3, so I wasn't deeply worried for me, but I do really like SONAR Platinum. Personally I thought there was only a remote chance that would happen, but if you don't cover yourself for those unlikely events then you are hurt when they do occur. Unlikely things happen all the time. Otherwise no one would ever win a lottery or be struck by lightning. Or in my case, experience several thousand dollars in damage from a freak hail storm. Now, however, we can see that behind the scenes things were obviously going better than we on the outside had reason to hope. I am now more than slightly optimistic for the future of the SONAR IP - perhaps a "BandLab Advanced Digital Audio Software Suite" - or something like that.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 16:30:14
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Doesn't this mean we can cross over to their BandLab platform (enhanced with the newly acquired Sonar code and plugins)? Why would BandLab release Sonar in its present form and compete with themselves meaning, compete with their own flagship product (i.e. BandLab)?
It would be a surprise to me if BandLab releases SONAR in it's current form as a product. I think the idea is that current owners of SONAR will continue to be able to use it "as-is" and if we desire to migrate to a BandLab product, any migration to whatever comes with the SONAR IP, probably a high end Social Media aware DAW with some of the best features of SONAR and the various plugins would be free.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 17:30:00
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Activation is handled both by the application and the Cakewalk webside back end.
BandLab have acquired all assets and that includes the website and back end. ... If you choose the reinstall the software the same activation process with apply as before.
Thanks, Noel, that answers my concern.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 17:33:20
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I'm glad to see that Sonar has life again and I'm curious to see what they will do with it. I've always thought it was the best looking DAW out there. As far as functionality, that's up to the user. I was saddened to see it go and didn't think the owners were worthy of such a fine product.
This is outstanding news.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 18:21:17
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☄ Helpfulby Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] 2018/02/24 19:16:25
SandlinJohn
I am now more than slightly optimistic for the future of the SONAR IP - perhaps a "BandLab Advanced Digital Audio Software Suite" - or something like that.
Love your suggestion (and the acronym it invokes!) -- BADASS!
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 18:35:32
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I am now more than slightly optimistic for the future of the SONAR IP - perhaps a "BandLab Advanced Digital Audio Software Suite" - or something like that.
Hey, "Badass." I like it
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 19:17:34
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/02/24 19:39:22
Now thats a good name - we better go trademark it :-P
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/24 20:35:09
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Still a cakewalk user. I do hope things like Mackie Controll and maybe Hui will be supported. Together with timecode and all of that. Thank you Bandlab for giving this product another lease of life. I am very happy te be able to do future purchases to make a future possible. I am allso very interested in your hardware. Decent ASIO or any dedicated hardware driver is peace of mind.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/25 01:29:32
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Studio One is a great program but immature and missing many things.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/25 01:39:51
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Studio One is a great program but immature and missing many things.
In all likelihood, things that the vast majority of users don't actually need.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/25 01:51:25
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vintagevibe
Studio One is a great program but immature and missing many things.
In all likelihood, things that the vast majority of users don't actually need.
Why do you say that?
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/25 02:20:57
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vintagevibe
sharke
vintagevibe
Studio One is a great program but immature and missing many things.
In all likelihood, things that the vast majority of users don't actually need.
Why do you say that?
Quick question - which version of Studio One did you try? I'd be surprised to find that the "Professional" version is missing important features. On the other hand, I'd expect the "Free" and "Artist" versions to be stripped down - they should be missing features to encourage upgrading.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered
2018/02/25 02:33:21
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Leee
Whatever happens, the alternative -abandonware- is the least desirable option.
I can understand owners with a Lifetime Subscription (like myself) wondering if that subscription will be honored, but even if it's not and we get an existing users discount on the next incarnation of Sonar, it's STILL better than the alternative.
Some of us already have alternatives. I felt betrayed 11 months after I paid for a lifetime subscription. A new developer doesn't really have to honor it. I won't put any more money into Sonar. I have too many DAWs as it is.
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