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2018/02/23 11:39:18 (permalink)

Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered

Bandlab has taken on Cakewalk/Sonar IP (and some assets). They have already put up a new website.
 
Here are some of the most important Q & As;
 
Will anyone from the original Cakewalk development team be joining BandLab?
Absolutely. More details will be shared soon.
 
Is the old website still relevant or active?
No. Certain features on www.cakewalk.com may still work, but we are now in a migration process to ensure everything that has been acquired will be safely transferred as well as archiving the old site onto a legacy subdomain.
 
Will the Cakewalk forums continue to be available?
Yes! The Cakewalk forums are valuable resources for bakers as well as other professionals in the music community. We plan on keeping the peer-to-peer forums active.
 
I’m an existing or old SONAR user and have questions about my old account or subscription or want a refund.
BandLab Technologies did not acquire the operating company of Cakewalk Inc., only the complete set of intellectual property, patents, trademarks and certain assets necessary or related to the entire Cakewalk product suite. 

For users of Cakewalk from before 21st February 2018 – please refer to the original Gibson/Cakewalk announcement FAQ here.

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 11:40:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2018/02/23 21:04:46
The website link: https://cakewalk.bandlab.com/

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 15:36:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2018/02/23 21:04:51
I approve of this broadcast ;)

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 17:25:37 (permalink)
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I approve of this broadcast ;)


Yes, it is great news especially as I don't have to keep on migrating all my projects to other DAWs now. I wonder how many Sonar users have permanently gone elsewhere now though. I have pretty much moved on from Sonar now, but it would be great to see it live on and develop. Bandlab is a very new company, who only started in 2016. Hopefully, that will drive their enthusiasm. As a company, they seem to know what they are doing. I guess we'll have to see what happens.

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 19:20:20 (permalink)
I'm using studio one in my studio, but in my music classroom I'm using sonar still.
I'm enjoying many things about studio one, but missing many things about sonar.
I have no problem paying for and using both moving forward.

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 19:23:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2018/02/23 21:05:19
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 I wonder how many Sonar users have permanently gone elsewhere now though.


Time for another poll?

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 19:33:31 (permalink)
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I wonder how many Sonar users have permanently gone elsewhere now though.


Time for another poll?


lol no, never again!

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 19:57:00 (permalink)
Wow!  Good news for Sonar!
Had to get a new pc lately (old one crashed). I was able to reinstall all the Sonar Platinum software from the CW website. Any way I did buy a crossgrade of Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio (boxed version), but have not installed on new pc. 
 
Can't tear myself away from SPLAT!! Love it!! Looking forward to see what BandLab will do. Hoping for bigger and better things to come!
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 20:12:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby olemon 2018/02/24 12:05:01
Looks promising! I'm pulling for them! I'm still hanging around, with Studio One in the wings...
 
Gibson's spiral toward bankruptcy covered here: 
 
S&P frets over Gibson Guitars' debt problem
http://money.cnn.com/2018...son-guitars/index.html

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 20:16:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/02/23 22:15:33
I have been with Cakewalk since cakewalk pro audio 6 with a break here and there. I am now looking at other DAWs like cubase, samplitude and maybe studio one since I hear so much about it. I will still support sonar if it continues, but from this I have learned..again... not to place all your sardines in one can. Will for sure have two or more DAWS on hand always.

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 20:48:04 (permalink)
interesting... had no plans on going anywhere just yet, so I'll be here on watch hoping things continue to get better for us.

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 21:09:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby DrLumen 2018/02/23 23:09:13
Just to be clear, are you saying that customers of Cakewalk prior to the acquisition of "some assets" will still be able to download and activate products purchased from Cakewalk prior to that acquisition from this new website? Acquiring assets does not automatically imply acquiring or accepting the obligations of the organization from which the assets were acquired.
 
If not, then hopefully the Cakewalk servers will still be operational in some form in order to activate already purchased products. If not, then this is very bad news for current Cakewalk customers who do not want to purchase everything again from a new company. The ongoing development of SONAR etc. may be a good thing for those who can afford to move to new licenses at any price, but would represent a significant loss to those who plan to use existing Cakewalk activations.
 
btw How does this relate to the promise that Cakewalk would provide a way to activate customers' products without access to the Cakewalk servers?
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 21:10:27 (permalink)
Potentially great news! I've migrated to Samplitude (still considering Studio One), but I have 20 years with SONAR, and if Bandlab does a good job I'd much prefer to stay with SONAR.

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 21:42:41 (permalink)
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Just to be clear, are you saying that customers of Cakewalk prior to the acquisition of "some assets" will still be able to download and activate products purchased from Cakewalk prior to that acquisition from this new website? Acquiring assets does not automatically imply acquiring or accepting the obligations of the organization from which the assets were acquired.



This is something BandLab will need to address. I do not believe the current FAQ even considered purchases made from the "closeout" sales. I hope these will be managed by the existing infrastructure since the product was created and packaged for the retailers before the change over - since it is the old product, after all. But that would be speculation on my part and as likely to be wrong or more so than to be right.

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:06:28 (permalink)
I only have one question, considering they are saying :
 
"BandLab Technologies did not acquire the operating company of Cakewalk Inc., only the complete set of intellectual property, patents, trademarks and certain assets necessary or related to the entire Cakewalk product suite. ".
 
Does this mean if I want to reactivate my Sonar Platinum and license through command center "Or the download files which I already have" in the future that I will have to purchase a new license through them considering they are basically saying in that statement that due to the no fault clause "I suspect" that they don't owe nobody nothing who were previous customers of cakewalk, not even a reactivate previous software if needed???
 
Anyone a lawyer or better in the know here? I would like to know more about this. The part about the certain aspect of Cakewalk.com not working gives me the impression and considering my previous question gives me the impression that if you don't have your Cakewalk software activated now, it may not be happen in the future. 
 
Like I said, I'm asking questions here, as I am sure others would like to know also....... 
 
 

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:12:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/02/24 10:01:25
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Does this mean if I want to reactivate my Sonar Platinum and license through command center "Or the download files which I already have" in the future that I will have to purchase a new license

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:14:38 (permalink)
So where's the activation code?
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:16:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Karyn 2018/02/23 22:19:41
The activation process has not changed. AFAIK, the old Gibson FAQ about activation still holds true.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:20:12 (permalink)
So is that part of the "Cakewalk organization" that BandLab did not acquire or part of the assets they did acquire? I'm not trying to be difficult. Just trying to figure out where we stand with the permanent activation process that a Cakewalk representative promised us in the past. 
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:24:09 (permalink)
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:26:44 (permalink)
Bandlab are going to continue development of Sonar (it may or may not be called Sonar).
Bandlab have stated that their intention is for all Sonar users (of any version) to move forward to the new Bandlab owned version for no charge.
 
That makes the future of authorising your current (or old) version of Sonar moot.

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:29:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Keni 2018/02/24 00:08:05
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Bandlab have stated that their intention is for all Sonar users (of any version) to move forward to the new Bandlab owned version for no charge.

That's what I was asking. Thanks! I had not seen a statement like that in what I've read.
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:33:13 (permalink)
Actually, their official statement contradicts that:
 
"BandLab Technologies did not acquire the operating company of Cakewalk Inc., only the complete set of intellectual property, patents, trademarks and certain assets necessary or related to the entire Cakewalk product suite. 

For users of Cakewalk from before 21st February 2018 – please refer to the original Gibson/Cakewalk announcement FAQ here."
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:37:34 (permalink)
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Bandlab have stated that their intention is for all Sonar users (of any version) to move forward to the new Bandlab owned version for no charge.

That's what I was asking. Thanks! I had not seen a statement like that in what I've read.


Hopefully it will happen exactly as they intend...  in simple terms they've bought the current version of Sonar that we already own, it would be hard to justify selling it to us a second time.
 
Very simplistically it would just be a case of continuing where Cakewalk left off, using whatever update model they choose.  Personally I prefer the "free point update with paid major update" model.
In reality there are all sorts of licensing issues to sort out before they can start giving anything away, free or paid or otherwise...

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:39:26 (permalink)
see http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3731449
 
edit: now refers to Noel's post
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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:41:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Keni 2018/02/24 00:08:45
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Actually, their official statement contradicts that:
 
"BandLab Technologies did not acquire the operating company of Cakewalk Inc., only the complete set of intellectual property, patents, trademarks and certain assets necessary or related to the entire Cakewalk product suite. 

For users of Cakewalk from before 21st February 2018 – please refer to the original Gibson/Cakewalk announcement FAQ here."




Meng
 I quickly wanted to address a key concern I saw in and amongst the threads so far and immediately reassure everyone that even though the suite of Cakewalk & SONAR products is now within a new company, our steadfast goal is that former SONAR owners (of all versions) will not need to spend any money to cross-over/cross-grade to the future flagship product.

Reference : http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3730905
 

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 22:58:11 (permalink)
Very interesting. I will be happy to support both SONAR and Studio One as my primary tools.
Each has it's strengths, so I find this to be good news!

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 23:35:56 (permalink)
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Does this mean if I want to reactivate my Sonar Platinum and license through command center "Or the download files which I already have" in the future that I will have to purchase a new license

no


That being the case, "NO" that is. Considering the impression I got : "Perhaps I misread?", but I got the impression that the new owners were no longer responsible for previous cakewalk licenses, meaning, they may say : "We will continue to do whatever", but until I see or hear them iron clad say : LOOK : "For those of you who currently own cakewalk licenses we will continue to : NOTE : MAINTAIN an activation process so that you do not lose your activation process OR LICENSE". 
 
While I get the part about the : Sure we will keep cakewalk going and rah rah rah stuff. 
 
The part about where they say : 
 
" Is the old website still relevant or active?
No. Certain features on www.cakewalk.com may still work, but we are now in a migration process to ensure everything that has been acquired will be safely transferred as well as archiving the old site onto a legacy subdomain."
 
RELEVANT being the key word and they said "NO". So, command Center and activation may be a no go according to that in the very near if not already future is what I am asking about??? 
 
Please do not speak unless you ACTUALLY KNOW FOR SURE what is going on. I don't mean to sound rude, but it's a question every cakewalk user would like to know. 
 
 

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Re: Sonar Lives - Your Questions Answered 2018/02/23 23:42:55 (permalink)
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I'm using studio one in my studio, but in my music classroom I'm using sonar still.
I'm enjoying many things about studio one, but missing many things about sonar. 
I have no problem paying for and using both moving forward.

 
 
 
“Don Quixote”, where it was written “It is the part of a wise man to keep himself today for tomorrow, and not venture all his eggs in one basket.”
 
And this is why you adhere to the Don..."don't put all your eggs in one basket". Shortly after Gibson acquired Cakewalk I bought Studio One Producer and love it. I have never trusted Gibson Corporate and was right not to. I have been using both DAWs since. I could not agree with your more.

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