you could get an mcu and two extenders, 24 faders, for the price of this thing. i don't see the value of cake providing an audio interface. control surface, yes. and usb would have been fine if it were just a control surface.

ORIGINAL: Duojet

you could get an mcu and two extenders, 24 faders, for the price of this thing. i don't see the value of cake providing an audio interface. control surface, yes. and usb would have been fine if it were just a control surface.

Dude, USB is fine anyway. All the USB nay-sayers simply don't know what they're talking about. Sorry and all that, but there you have it.

Yes but the MCU and 24 faders will not give you hte same level of control as the V-Console.

I own an MCU, and have a no point felt the need for the extenders, I have however flet the need for better integration. TO be honest, the only thing that sets an MCU apart from a Behringer is the Transport and touch sensitve faders, and if I knew what I do know, I would probably not buy one again.

This however I would buy, even though its considerably more expensive.

To be hoenst I am thinking of seeling my Interface/MCU and getting this, I will of course await feedback, and probably have to sit down and have a full paly/demonastration first.

I am not saying this thing is the holy grail, it oculd be buggy, and have all sorts of issues. However on paper at this point, knowing the same information as evecryone else, I am excited by teh possibilities of this.

For instance imagine if they brough out just the ACT?EQ section as a little stand alone box, that alongside my MCU would be incredible.

So I think in time there are going ot be cascade down benefits at all levels.

After Brandon demonstration teh Alderon T-bar will probably be avaliable on its own. Hell I would pay for it, if all it did was control the volume on my TV.

Cakwalk v_Console - $2000
cakewalk V Audio - $1800
Cakewalk Sonar 8 - $200
Feeling like you are on the Deathstar.....priceless....for everything else there Mastercard :)

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Some of the complaints here might as well be "I was expecting a device that turned tapwater into a drink that tastes like lemonade and cures cancer".

I invented that last week, thats why I can afford a V-Console :)

ORIGINAL: Timur

Well, USB does have the disadvantage of being CPU polled, you can't deny that. If the CPU is too busy to fetch the data from an USB device then no data is transfered at all. Firewire and PCI(e) on the other hand push their data into RAM via Direct Memory Access (DMA) all by themselves.

I wouldn't deny that at all, but you are the only person here discussing it on that level. And as you clearly know, this is not a problem that manifests itself in the field, as a rule.

I mean, if the CPU is that busy, USB transfers are the least of your worries.

I just have to believe that the best inventions came from comments (nay-sayers). I wonder if Cakewalk just decided on it's own to upgrade the Sonar engine....or hmmmm....maybe it came from all of the comments about dropouts and lack of reliability conveyed on this forum.

Some say "Necessity is the mother of inventions"...I say "Forums (complaints) are the fathers of creations/updates"!!!

Ripping the wotsits out of something that's only been a announced today must be PRO :)

I didn't check with a loopback, but at its lowest latency settings the USB Kore 1 reports a roundtrip latency of 9ms. Given some better hardware and optimized drivers I can well imagine 5-6ms being at least "possible", depending on the load though.

Timur,

Check out XPerf on Vista. That's a really nice tool for finding out what's sluggish.
It'll report dpc times, by driver name, etc.

You can find it here:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/sysperf/perftools.mspx

and you can read about using it here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/pigscanfly/archive/2008/02/09/xperf-a-new-tool-in-the-windows-sdk.aspx

Keith

I am quietly hopeful about he interface.

My reason, well one as I mentioned before who better to write drivers for it than Cakewalk.

But also, to release an interface with such ambitiously high channel count as your first interface, they must be quietly confident.

Hey who knows the V700FW might be just round the corner, with 2 ADAT's and 26 ins, one can but hope :)

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Or... how 'bout dual interface... take your pick... just like the latest and geatest external drives and enclosures...

YES!
Now that would be awesome.
Keith... you should patent that idea.

Interesting sentence at the end of this NEW interview. "We listened to our users" hmmmmmm "Forum"?

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=7327

Lovely explanation of the I/O basically doing all of the engine work and the Control Surface doing the surface work.

Hi everyone.

Well I tried to read the whole thread but it's late so I scanned what I could and thought I'd make a few comments regarding some of the things I've read.

SONAR 8 with V-Studio 700 performance is very good. I'm running it under Vista-64 and I'm getting 2.2 effective latency (in SONAR) for typical song creation. Some larger projects I have require me to move up to 4.4ms, but again it's really solid. This is all without any glitches, clicks or pops whatsoever.

What is so cool is that all the I/O, the MIDI ports, the Fantom VS and ARX synths, and all the control capabilities connect to your computer with one cable. It's very clean and very elegant.

Roland has long term history and experience with creating USB2 drivers (first product of kind was UA1000). Personally from what I've seen, I don't know if I'd worry about the connection format (USB2, FW, etc) as I can say that low latency is most certainly and solidly achievable - and due to wide compatibility it has worked consistently with a wide range of different machines with predictable results.

The fact that it is all one system ensures total compatibility with 64-bit Vista (w/o having to worry about varying support from differing manufacturers).

Also, I must say that I am extremely pleased with the integration with SONAR and it is still improving to this day. There are even little things that have been added since the current videos were produced that just keep expanding what you can do from the surface. Every week it gets more and more sophisticated and what is already there is arguably unprecedented, especially at this price-point.

ORIGINAL: TassieP

No one has noticed (not even Cakewalk ) that there is NO pause button. 8 iterations of Sonar to get a pause button - I suppose this console uses the T-Bar to shift into pause?

Actually you just hit the "Play" button on the VS-700C and it will blink, signifying that it is in pause mode.