ORIGINAL: SteveJL

These types of statements are what makes people think Sonar-users are primarily non-Pro. For full-blown Pro Studios, $50k to $100k is not crazy money to spend on world-class H/W and S/W. And this is what separates PT HD setups from all the others....the "Big Boys" keep the dream alive and the rest of us set up smaller versions and love to pretend that we are competing. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but let's keep things real, eh?

Look through some of those facilities with the Icon, they are the "Real Deal" (and no, I'm not in there, I'm a "project guy")

http://www.digidesign.com/xtras/iconStudios.cfm

Ummm... I think the point we were all making was exactly that: this is not competition for an ICON-level setup.

Yea, the behringer is cheap and you can add a bunch together. But the Mackie etc. are considerably more expensive - hopefully that quality level is what RolCake is going for.

And you can get a nice analog console w/o moving faders for the money.

Or a nice tape machine.

But this is a different beast, to point out the obvious. Sorry if I didn't make a little smiley sign with my finger joke.

Cake seems to have a nice package for the price, but the controller seems to be the main thing. Until people actually get the interface one won't know how that part of the package holds up - even with digital i/o availbe (why not 2 adat with SMUX?).

And Brandon intimated that more in the line should be coming. Maybe a controller only? Maybe a baby unit with one moving fader. Maybe an expander fader unit? Maybe one sans the T-bar, which looks cool but ... It is also used with video editing in one video.

later,

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Sorry...I meant simple interface. Calm Down!!!!

Someone asked what was Cake/Rolands competition. Their competition is clearly Digidesign/Pro-Tools. That's all I meant.

I applaud Cake/Rolland and I'm pulling for them. I ordered Sonar 8 and I use it for my MIDI implementation. I also own C24 as well as ICON.

Its just nice to see Cake/Roland produce something on the lines of control surface.

There has never been an opportunity to even talk about Sonar/Cakewalk and Digidesign in the same sentence concerning control surfaces, BUT NOW THERE IS!!!!!

I'm excited about it!!!

OK, apologies for misunderstanding.

ORIGINAL: John T
The Fantom is in the IO box

... the ghost in the machine?

ORIGINAL: Fog

DonM who are you addressing with that post?

"I love this type of post. Absolutely zero experience, full of shallow opinion."

to make such an assumption you would have to know exactly what people did for a living.. and obviously none of us have gone to high end studios except you..lol

Paul:
You're right. I apologize.

I have been having a pretty bad week (long story - no excuse) but I should know better. I guess the USB thing just tipped the scale.

Again Sorry.

-D

ORIGINAL: Fog

no worries Don , who'd have thought a bit of wire would caused such a stir

Thanks. I appreciate your response - I owe you a pint!

-D

Can we get a built in talkback mic in the VStudio 800?

ORIGINAL: edentowers

Wish I could tell you of all the troubles I'm having with my Edirol UA-101 USB interface.

But I can't because I'm not!

On the other hand I am having endless problems with my Edirol FA-66 (Firewire) interface. So much that I feel like throwing the piece of garbage out the window and getting something that works properly.

Go figure!

USB2 allows resolution downto 0.125 ms per micro-frame. Each microframe can transfers upto three pakets of upto 1024 bytes. One could argue that this is quite a good basis for Audio, Midi and Control transfers if handled properly by hardware and drivers.

Man there is so much miss information in this thread, which i people actually read what is on the website half of which could be laid to rest.

1) The knobs use ACT and so intrinsically map to all included effects and soft sythns within Cakewalk, and I am guessing there will be templates available for the more popular 3rd parties.
2) Yes it only has 8 faders but thanks to be able to lock them, I personally feel this is more suited to mixing, I tend to submix stuff to bus's at the beginning of a mix, which flicking through faders does fine, becauase its rare I have more than 8 tracks on a bus, even Drums. THen I tend to have bus's and a few individual 'focus' tracks like bass, lead vocal, etc, which I use to really shape the mix. With this I would be able to lock my individual tracks to faders, and then flick through my bus's on teh faders that remain, everythign at my finger tips without having to search through 24 scribble strips to find the damn things. For me thsi is very cool, and probaly a more efficient way of working.
3) THe alderon (as the T-bar will immortally be known from know on, thank you Brandon) does Xray, and Surround, but most cooly can be assigned to ACT control any parameter you want to assign to it. Ie you want to do a filter sweep on a synth, instead of having to do it with a fiddlly little known, you just reach for the Alderon.
4) Somethign no-one has mentioned, but this more than many control surfaces I have seen in this price range eliminates teh need for mouse, the jog wheel perform edit functions, you can flick snap on and off, you can open piano roll and edit notes with the jog wheel etc, throw in ACt and really intuitive EQ control, that does not involve cycling trhough another menu per flipping band, and you are looking at somethign that is going to really increase workflow. I am especially interested in the editing parts becuase when I do Vocal tracking I am one of those guys that edits on the fly, becuase when you in it, and you hear something good I like to cut it together as I go, sometimes when you come back to it, you don't remember which take of 15 had the best sound for that line etc.

Couple of further points, 1) its day 1 of it being out, i am quite frankly amazed at the negativity, this thing is about a 4th of the price of an ICON/Protools rig, it kicks the Steinberg yammy things backside. 2) There are almost certainly going to release a control only version, okay so it has a propritary cable to the Audio unit, but all you need is a little box to plug this into with a USb out, and it will work, you buy the control surface plus this little box, for say $2000, that puts this in the same line as the MCU, but with far more features.

My last comment, I am sick and tired of whether this is PRO or not, in this day and age, money is not the determinator of whether kit is PRO or not. A good engineer can achieve pro results on reasonably priced equipment, but to someone who has just spanked the deposit for a house on what the salesman told them was PRO gear does not want to hear that.

I come back to the negativity thing, if after a month or so out, and people have used it, and found it wanted I am all for objective debate, but man, have a heart this thing has been in the world less than 24 hours and we are already damning it. way supportive.

To the guys at Cakewalk, Sonar 8 look fantastic, I am very excited, and this hardare also looks like a very positive step, well done for all your hardwork in pulling this together especialy during a year where you company has merged with another, well done.

To the naysayers, you guys better watch out, becuase come Decemeber 24th, 3 ghosts are gonna come visiting.

G

ORIGINAL: mike_mccue

One is a standard for streaming media with an enhancements for ensuring sync between datasets... the other is for transfering packets?

What USB interfaces allow you to send 18 mics to SONAR at the same time?

USB 2.0 should be capable of that. Isochronous Data Transfer (the one with the 0.125 ms micro-frames) has a maximum theoretical transfer-rate of 49.152.000 Byte/s (that's pure data without overhead). 18 mics of 96kHz/24bit need only 41.472.000 Byte/s.

From Wikipedia:

In the Universal Serial Bus used in computers, isochronous is one of the four data flow types for USB devices (the others being Control, Interrupt and Bulk). It is commonly used for streaming data types such as video or audio sources.

Isochronous mode allows for bandwidth allocation, by the way.

ORIGINAL: Timur

ORIGINAL: mike_mccue

One is a standard for streaming media with an enhancements for ensuring sync between datasets... the other is for transfering packets?

What USB interfaces allow you to send 18 mics to SONAR at the same time?

USB 2.0 should be capable of that. Isochronous Data Transfer (the one with the 0.125 ms micro-frames) has a maximum theoretical transfer-rate of 49.152.000 Byte/s (that's pure data without overhead). 18 mics of 96kHz/24bit need only 41.472.000 Byte/s.

From Wikipedia:

In the Universal Serial Bus used in computers, isochronous is one of the four data flow types for USB devices (the others being Control, Interrupt and Bulk). It is commonly used for streaming data types such as video or audio sources.

Isochronous mode allows for bandwidth allocation, by the way.

ARRR HE COMES HERE WITH HIS "SCIENCE"... IT'S WITCHCRAFT I TELL YE!

Thanks to both of you for the replies.

GordonRussell that's exactly the sort of answer I was looking for.

Are there other 18 track USB interfaces on the market?

best,
mike

My M24 has 24 motorized faders and FULL control over sonar's eq, and plugins as well as much much more

if you look at the picture the knobs at the top right of the board control the eq.

www.mixedlogic.com