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Interesting timing:  Protools 9 anounced

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notation derived from Sibelius
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InstrEd

Oh, and before Reaper version 4.0 (with included staff editor)!!!

If Reaper gets a staff view at least we know Cakewalk will have one in Version X2 I'm sure.

InstrEd

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InstrEd

Oh, and before Reaper version 4.0 (with included staff editor)!!!

If Reaper gets a staff view at least we know Cakewalk will have one in Version X2 I'm sure.

Reaper with a staff view is wishful thinking on my part

I know.

Even Studio One said it doesn't plan on a Staff view for the future.

Perhaps we should come up with a MOST WANTED features list for the Staff View? (So Cakewalk can have fun burning it on New Year's Eve!)

Sepheritoh


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Each year I get a little bit more disapointed in Cakewalk's obvious lack of interest in doing anything about the notation view. Great software and I still love Sonar, but how long can one man hold his breath?

Ok - I'll bite.  What did you decide to do? 
 
I'm weighing my options.

Brett


I was just digging around to see if staff view and the lyrics view bugs were fixed - apparently not. We've been promised improvements for 10 years now. After fighting with the lyrics view to produce simple lead sheets for my music course, and getting no help from tech support, I've decided Cakewalk are not getting another cent from me.

The announcement of Pro Tools 9 running on open hardware (mentioned above) is very attractive. I'll miss the Sonitus Suite and the soft synths but I'm not putting up with this buggy software any more. Regardless of what Cakewalk might claim Pro Tools is the industry standard and being able to work with commercial studios more easily will be a big plus. 
 
I'm not singling your comment out specifically but this is an example of where the differing requirements of Staff View users may be causing us to lose out.   I've used Staff View for 100s of projects since the Pro Audio days to input MIDI info (I've never really used PRV).  I worked as an arranger and copyist in the days when it was all done with a pen and paper so I’m fairly aware of any limitations it may have in this respect (such as the tuplet thing) but for me Staff View has remained a crucial and, up until X1, very usable tool for inputting musical material.  However, I would not expect to be able to use it to produce printable parts or scores to perform or teach from - that's a whole other application and I think it's unrealistic, and frankly a bit naive, to expect that from what is essentially a music creation package.    I think Cakewalk developers (to their credit) have tried to respond to these unrealistic demands but it means we are ending up with a 'half-assed' package where the 'real' workflow- using notation to input MIDI info - has got slower in X1 while the illustrative stuff  like chord symbols, lyrics and expression marks (which to me is pointless, and well catered for elsewhere in apps specifically designed to score/part writing) has got a bit easier.  Sonar is never going to be one of those applications and nor should it be expected to be one.  I'm not surprised the developers give the notation function a low priority if they feel they are being pressed to provide this.   Personally, I'd like to see them draw a line under the issue and decide they'll maintain a notation tool for inputting, but also make it clear that it is not intended to be capable of producing printable sheet music.  Going back to the quicker inputting functionality of 8.5.3 would be a start.
 
I know this only one person's view and will catch some flak but the main point is that not all calls for improvements to Staff View are necessarily pulling in the same direction and some might be counter-productive.

Brett


Combo, the flak you are going to catch is for not reading what I wrote. I used the word "bugs", not ”enhancements”, and I referred to "lyrics view" twice.

I take it you know what a lead sheet is? Melody, lyrics, and chords.

B

InstrEd

giankap


On the other hand, i hope you really don't expect that a future release will trnsform sonar's notation system into Sibelius (even though that would be cool).

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Nope we don't want that. I want MXML support plus a functional staff view would be nice. Plus a couple of years ago we had a thread going
and one of the forum member  made a mock up of staff view with the PRV and it was great. Lines going from each view showing where they were tied together.  Neat thing, in the discussion was how you could lock say a quarter note in the staff view but shorten it in the PRV with simple editing.
With the new GUI I think this can be done. Still a Cakewalk Fan, but not holding my breath anymore. First time in a while that I didn't upgrade right away. More because of my disappointment that no Staff view attention was given than dislike of X1 in general. I know there will be bugs on a new Cakewalk release, but I usually like to help report them to help iron them out.

Notation needed to expand Cakewalk market. My thinking on this is it would really help Cakewalk in the educator market.
Anyway my 2 cents again on the subject.