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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 15:52:26
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well, that option is on the table but we did get it to work with both video cards. the problem was, once i unpluugeged all the cables to put the PC back together, it is like the firewaire and usb lost its priority and ausio started crashing again.
yes , i can run with one video card and try the TI adapter but we are still collection data with current configuration
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 15:56:06
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thomasabarnes
With the graphics card, hard drive and firewire controller sharing the same IRQ, a good firewire card may not be enough. He needs to try to get those 3 things reassigned so those 3 are not on the same IRQ assignment.
Using one graphics card will help.
And as suggected earlier, there has to be a way to disable the onboard sound in the BIOS (search the motherboard manual,) disabling that will also help get IRQ assignments re-assigned.
one graphic card does work, the audio in bios is a question for Dell enginneers ni me. they did this design
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 16:02:12
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StarTekh
after running audio for 4 hours this morning using 1 video card and the LSI fire-wire card, had a good feeling this would be resolved. dump the 2nd card...install the ti-firecard !!
if the machine does not perform as it should (Dual video cards and firewire) it should be shipped back,
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 16:07:57
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Might be the fact that your not using nvidia cards !! Maby you should pm me !!
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 16:16:10
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rcassent
StarTekh
after running audio for 4 hours this morning using 1 video card and the LSI fire-wire card, had a good feeling this would be resolved. dump the 2nd card...install the ti-firecard !!
if the machine does not perform as it should (Dual video cards and firewire) it should be shipped back,
Why do you need dual video cards on an audio workstation in the first place?
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 16:24:49
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lots to see in sonar. streching audio or track view is a must , that is two screen right there. plugins can be up on other monitors and i do have to over lap. i don know about you ,but i like that visabilty. you do not like to have multipe view open when you record? you like to just stack on on top of the other? i used to do that unitl i got 4 monitors
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 16:36:17
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rcassent
losts to see in sonar. strching auduo or track view is a must , that is two screen right there. plugin can be up on other monitors and i do have to over lap. i dont know about you ,but i like that visabilty
Yes, there's lots to see in SONAR but this has been discussed ad nauseum on this forum in the past. SONAR only needs a Geforce 7500GT or 8500GT to function properly. This has come from Cakewalk representatives themselves. These cards will run 2 screens without issue. You could even add 2 USB to VGA adapaters if you really needed 4 monitors. I honestly find working in the multi-dock quicker than juggling 4 monitors. Especially with the introduction of the ProChannel and its consolidation of windows. 2 screens is enough for me. I think 4 would disrupt my mixing sound stage. You're only going to 1) increase your system noise floor, possibly disrupting your mixing environment 2) increase you electricity bill and 3) use more system resources, potentially causing an issue with your audio devices. 2 monster video cards are simply overkill. They are meant to be used for gaming or industrial 3d rendering. Adding more complexity to something you want and need to keep simple is self defeating. IMHO.
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 16:42:44
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inaheartbeat
I hate to beat a dead horse here but your midisport 8x8 driver is not supported on Windows 7. I don't know if you have uninstalled that and retested.
Ken
hey ken , i have been holding off on this until i got some concrete evidence. there are drivers for win7 64bit and i am using it. weather they work or not, i am finding out . The Dell tech is finding issues with midi sport 8x8x using shis sysnternals process monitor. i will keep u posted at that one . EDIT: i did do one unistall and reinstall of motu drivers an d midi sport drivers. i will edit this message again and provide version
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 16:50:29
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rcassent
inaheartbeat
I hate to beat a dead horse here but your midisport 8x8 driver is not supported on Windows 7. I don't know if you have uninstalled that and retested.
Ken
hey ken , i have been holding off on this until i got some concrete evidence. there are drivers for win7 64bit and i am using it. weather they work or not, i am finding out . The Dell tech is finding issues with midi sport 8x8x using shis sysnternals process monitor. i will keep u posted at that one .
EDIT: i did do one unistall and reinstall of motu drivers an d midi sport drivers. i will edit this message again and provide version
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 16:54:09
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 16:56:28
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rcassent
losts to see in sonar. strching auduo or track view is a must , that is two screen right there. plugin can be up on other monitors and i do have to over lap. i dont know about you ,but i like that visabilty
Yes, there's lots to see in SONAR but this has been discussed ad nauseum on this forum in the past. SONAR only needs a Geforce 7500GT or 8500GT to function properly. This has come from Cakewalk representatives themselves.
These cards will run 2 screens without issue. You could even add 2 USB to VGA adapaters if you really needed 4 monitors. I honestly find working in the multi-dock quicker than juggling 4 monitors. Especially with the introduction of the ProChannel and its consolidation of windows. 2 screens is enough for me. I think 4 would disrupt my mixing sound stage.
You're only going to 1) increase your system noise floor, possibly disrupting your mixing environment 2) increase you electricity bill and 3) use more system resources, potentially causing an issue with your audio devices.
2 monster video cards are simply overkill. They are meant to be used for gaming or industrial 3d rendering. Adding more complexity to something you want and need to keep simple is self defeating. IMHO.
ken , i have been using 4 monioers with out issue in sonar 7 for almost 2 years. i have had sonar 7 in production since may 2009. started with 2 and increase to 4. i like it. If push comes to shove, i will revert back to 2.
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 17:18:45
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Whether dual graphics cards are needed or not I can testify that two will work fine together under windows 7 x64. I run 3 monitors from two cards with no issues. Two ATI 5450s BTW.
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 17:46:02
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FBB: thanks for the info/post !
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 18:26:40
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 18:27:32
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You can have dual screens with one video card.
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 18:34:54
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 18:46:13
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i am gonna have to write a white paper on ths issue! the TI chipset firewaire 800mbps card is in with dual video cards. all is running now. will test thru the night. driver updates were important. still need to do a few mre. thank starteKH for that. thanks to davidebanes for the links on motu, the TI push aand ll for checking on midsport. and FFB for buffer sizes and misc. sonar tweaks. good stuff!
thanks to Sweetwater support (David) for the BIOS help and chiming in with Dell today. most of all for sending the firewire card
and the Dell tech i had today was a real wiz. Def got his number !!!
you guys were all great for helping me thru 9 days of hell. i learned alot and will write wrap up .
even if dual video is to fail, i know i can run one video card with 2 monitors
@Jim rosebeery - all the stats i saw on sonar x1 showed it is a very stable application
i will write more later
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 18:47:17
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 18:53:59
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hueseph
You can have dual screens with one video card.
i have two video cards with pigtails so i can view 4 monitors.
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 19:13:36
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I really think you're trying to go with a too complicated system.
Why not keep it simple until you see the system is running well, then try adding other components 1 by 1.
Go with the MOTU (with TI chipset firewire card, 1 graphis card, only on borad USB, get rid of any other additional hardware, for now.
I'm telling you, Jim is really good at this stuff. Wouldn't hurt to try to get more info from him, however you can get it. You have his attention.
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 19:37:57
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yes, i am going with one video card, the TI chip set and usb for my midi sport
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/09 20:41:01
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> I can name that song in 1 note ! <
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2012/02/09 21:31:37
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/12 19:49:44
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So what was it? The dual video card setup?
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/13 02:24:17
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Yeah, spill the beans, are you all sorted now?
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/13 08:18:58
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we were never able to sort it out. Dell support determined there was an issue with the mother board. i will write up some findings this week and post. there was inconclusive testing done when the machine did run with one video card, but it did work on single point run thrus. there was a smooth baseline (CPU processors were leveld out more even) of CPU's when using the PCI TI chipset firewire over the PCIe LSI firewirecard. this still did not work with dual monitors. So neither firewire card worked with dual monitors but the TI card showed better performance The TI card wouls spread accross multiple processors pritty evenly the LSI card would hit the 1st processor harder than the other processors . the multi-threading never spread over all 8 virtual processor. this is application related but i am sure there is a way to set up hyperthreading so it could be configured/tested. unable to change interput settings in Win7 device manager . in the past OS's, this type of change would have free up share resources this message was edited
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/16 14:41:06
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Wednesday
Audio drops out issue in Sonar X1 . these same files work fine in Sonar 7
Why not stay with Sonar 7? It is, without question, superior to X1. Sonar 7 works great on a 64 bit machine, I'm able to access 16GB of memory, all of my VST plug-ins (one needs the help of j bridge) and no dropouts, stable. Compared to X1, Sonar 7 has better color customization, better staff view implementation, better event list implementation, better envelope implementation and, personally, I like layouts much more than I like screensets. JG www.jerrygerber.com
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Re:Sonar X1 drop outs
2012/02/16 15:58:22
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You forgot IMHO
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