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Cakewalk Sonar X3 Released 9/28


http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/default.aspx
 

What's new in SONAR X3

SONAR X3 is our biggest upgrade to date and includes new and exciting core workflow enhancements and features like Color Customization, Comping, VST3 Support, ARA integration, Melodyne Essential, Tape Emulator, our revolutionary QuadCurve EQ Zoom & Analyzer, and much more. Plus we've added new effects and instruments including XLN Audio Addictive Drums, Nomad Factory Blue Tubes FX, Lounge Lizard SONAR, and much more.
 
Cakewalk SONAR X3 Producer DAW Software NEW Features:
  • Skylight Interface enhancements and color customizations
  • Craft the perfect vocal performances with Melodyne Essential
  • Sculpt your mixes with precision using the new flyout QuadCurve EQ/Analyzer
  • Comp multiple takes together instantly for the ultimate performance
  • Play vintage piano sounds with Applied Acoustics Systems Lounge Lizard SONAR
  • Get authentic drums sounds with the full version of XLN Audio Addictive Drums
  • Have a session guitar player with you at all times with AAS Strum Acoustic SONAR
  • Fine tune your mixes with the 19 included Nomad Factory Blue Tubes FX
  • Get incredible filter and distortion effects with Tone2 BiFilter 2
  • Bring back the vintage, warm sound of tape with the ProChannel TapeSim
  • Access Vintage-style world-class recording studio reverb with Nomad Factory BlueVerb
  • 58 total FX including the new Boutique Suite
  • Improved video support including YouTube export
  • Save your projects to the cloud with Gobbler integration
  • Full support for VST3 synths and effects
http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/default.aspx
 
Buy at Sweetawater:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=SonarX3&Go=Search
 
post edited by carl - 2013/09/28 10:10:28
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 20:47:46 (permalink)
$149 seems like a bit much, I have Melodyne don't need essentials. Wonder if I can upgrade under $100!



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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 20:49:07 (permalink)
I have that, AD Drums & a few others already too but I doubt it.
Good to see VST3 finally available.
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 20:50:18 (permalink)
And there's a TapeSim for bitflipper too!

 
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 20:52:12 (permalink)
I guess I will have to wait a week anyways, I leave for vacation that day!
 



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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 20:56:07 (permalink)
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I guess I will have to wait a week anyways, I leave for vacation that day!
 



Have a good one.
There might be an X3a when you get back!
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 20:57:00 (permalink)
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I have that, AD Drums & a few others already too but I doubt it.
Good to see VST3 finally available.




LANEY
$149 seems like a bit much, I have Melodyne don't need essentials. Wonder if I can upgrade under $100!


 
As posted earlier today by Craig Anderton: "Well I've learned a lot about how the software business works in the past few months...a lot of a product's upgrade price depends on whether there's third party software involved, and if so, what the licensing fees are. If you see anything in a piece of software that wasn't made by the company itself, somewhere a royalty check is being cashed "
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/This-is-good-news-indeed-Gibson-is-buying-us-that-is-why-they-got-Craig-m2890809-p6.aspx
 
I never liked having 3rd party stuff thrown into the deal - considering how it's often useless and redundant... I'm sure that, aside people who already own AD, lots of BFD and Superior Drummer users would also have passed on the deal...
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 21:02:37 (permalink)
Yep, they're usually LE versions that need to be $ upgraded to use the full version features.
 
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 21:09:14 (permalink)
Addictive drums is the full version in X3. That's what the add says anyway. The Nomad stuff is pretty cool I think.

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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 21:37:47 (permalink)
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Addictive drums is the full version in X3. That's what the add says anyway. The Nomad stuff is pretty cool I think.


I know but I bet most that will upgrade already have AD & / or prefer BFD , SD2/ EZ, SSD.
Beside their Pultec eq I never got on with Nomad plugins but I know many do.
 
I'll to wait hear from others if the engine performs any better & if the Track Lane/ Layers issues were sorted out.
VST3 is great but like Rain I rarely use or need the 3rd party stuff.
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 21:43:31 (permalink)
A few years ago Cakewalk had an upgrade that allowed people to purchase the upgrade only and/or other 3rd party add-on's at special prices. I really enjoyed that because I didn't need or want the add-on's and it kept the Sonar price reasonable.
 
I wish they could afford to sell their product that way again. I also already have the full versions of almost every third party product mentioned in the Sweetwater ad. I really don't want this other stuff and I'm almost sure you couldn't sell the license... 

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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 23:33:23 (permalink)
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$149 seems like a bit much, I have Melodyne don't need essentials.


I have essentials, so I don't need the program, but if its Melodyne integration that will be a big step forward.
 
Edit - Deep integration apparently " X3 has very deep ARA integration with Melodyne (or any other future plugins that support the ARA protocol). Both ARA and VVocal fall under the region FX umbrella and are equally supported"  http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2892447
 
 
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/24 23:33:35 (permalink)
Wondering if there is a Studio version without these additional VSTs available ?
 
Over the years of using X1 / 2, I've already collected a small group of essential VSTs suitable for my own usage (and some more that I rarely use), and most of them are the full version of once LE bundled of the Producer version.
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer + Upgrade 2013/09/24 23:52:37 (permalink)
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  • Get authentic drums sounds with the full version of XLN Audio Addictive Drums


Intresting that this is the FULL version. I wonder where that leaves Session Drummer?

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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 00:02:50 (permalink)
I'm on Sonar X1d cause it works since it was patched for what I do.  I bought the X2 upgrade when it was preorder mostly cause it had free string library and the proclub and I figured once it got patched and people were really happy with it I'd be safe to install and start using it.  I haven't yet.
 
I'm like others I have or have better alternative plugins I use.
 
X3 will be a wait for sale for me, install once patched thing. 
 
I'd much rather have a stripped DAW without the 3rd party stuff and let me pick my tools.  oh well, they are trying to be all in one package for a lot of people.
 
I'm leaning toward Reaper / FL Studio.
 
I really just want to make noise, not have a bunch of stuff I have to learn workarounds because it's included.
 
So far reading the specs I'm not that impressed with X3.  guess it's a wait and see.
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 02:54:55 (permalink)
Nothing new here. Just venting some frustration over the price and scope of the upgrade.
 
If you don't have any of these third party plugins, it might be a good deal.
 
My problem, just me alone is, I got all the Nomad stuff already. Got Addictive Drums. Got Lounge Lizzard. Don't have the lite melodyne version they added.
 
Got too many comps and saturators and eq's to make any difference whatever they threw in.
 
I was looking for core, washed in the blood improvements and progress in the program itself. This upgrade seems to be smoke and mirrored in a dump of third party inclusions that many of us already have. Little actual substance unless you can benefit from a garage sale discount of some arguably good third party trimmings.
 
Will wait for X4, or do a last minute $49 upgrade if I realize I can't live without the Melodyne lite plug.
 
Not knocking Sonar for all the powerful and good things it delivers. For me, like Robin Trower said, "I think I'll just sit this one out"
 
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 03:27:33 (permalink)
Regarding Melodyne, its not just the fact they are bundling Melodyne Essentials with producer, its the fact that they integrated ARA into Sonar which, for any melodyne user will be a huge workflow improvement.
 
I have Melodyne essentials already but I still think this is one of the key features that may persuade me to update to X3 and Melodyne editor. I was previously thinking of passing on this and waiting for X4.
 
As for the rest of the third party plugins, I dont have any of them, I will take as a bonus but they would not persuade me to upgrade if there are not feature upgrades.
 
VST 3 support, I don't need it yet, but if NI make Kontakt 6 VST3 etc...........
 
As for the rest we need to see the flesh on the bones. There are certainly hints that there is much more than you see in the Sweetwater bullet points.
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 03:41:08 (permalink)
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Nomad plug-ins are not regarded highly at gearslutz.com
Cakewalk obviously have a different view, unless Nomad through them in for next to nothing. 


To be brutally fair & frank, most of the people on GS don't rate ANY form of plugin.
 
The clue is in the name of the site

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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 03:42:24 (permalink)
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$149 seems like a bit much, I have Melodyne don't need essentials. Wonder if I can upgrade under $100!


Perhaps they should give it away, y'know, just to keep everyone happy.

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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 03:51:28 (permalink)
^^^^^
 
I'm up for that. I don't have any X version so free would be tempting.
 
I'd like it for less though.
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 04:18:26 (permalink)
I'm very excited by the upcoming update. Pop out quad curve with analzyer, VST3, ARA, tape sim in prochannel, colors and improved comping (a couple of the Cakewalk guys are saying the comping is a BIG improvement).
 
Apart from the tape sim I don't think I'll install the plugins- I even have the full melodyne for instance.
 
About the Ad copy- it places too much emphasis on the new instruments/effects I feel. They should have had a bullet point- new instruments include.... and another bullet point new effects include.....
 
Can't believe I can still get so excited about software!

 
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 08:40:17 (permalink)
Looks like Sweetwater has pulled it off the shelf......
 
I'm with JohnKenn on this and probably will wait for a last min. $49 deal.....(considering I just got X2 a few months back)........I also have many of the plugins included in X3, but new software is always tempting.
 
At the moment, Orange Tree's group buy is on top of my list.......
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 10:20:43 (permalink)
I'm confounded by the degree of animosity and skepticism surrounding this release, especially on Gearslutz and KVR. As soon as X3 became public knowledge, but before any real details were known, comments came in like "it'll be overpriced",  "what a joke", and the prediction that "it will be an unstable mess". Has CW really pissed so many people off? Even the new guy in this soap opera, Craig Anderton, got attacked as "another empty suit". And he had nothing to do with X1.
 
As for me, it's been liberating to get off the upgrade bus. SONAR 8.5, Ozone 4, Kontakt 4 - and guess what? I'm still making music with all this outdated software! Come September 28th I plan on having fun with my new OTS Rickenbacker library while everyone else is trying to figure out what ARA is.


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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 10:53:53 (permalink)
I'm with Bit on this, as I stated upstairs...

They just pulled a Benjamin out of my wallet 12 months ago..
now they want another Benjamin and half..

I'm going to wait it out...see how it is...and hope for a sale..
I'm not paying $149...I don't need AD, Melodyne, Blue Tubes,
Tape Emulator, etc...I already have those...for those that don't
it's a better deal...but, for me, I want SUBSTANCE...

VST 3 is a good thing...Better Comping, good...there
are some good things on the list...but I'll wait to see
if there is a bugfest, as I KNOW this required a rewrite 
to include VST 3....so I'm going to wait it out... evaluate
it, and make my decision then...


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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 10:56:21 (permalink)
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everyone else is trying to figure out what ARA is.




This?

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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 11:00:52 (permalink)
I'm watching carefully and will make my decisions after the Cakewalk announcement and hopefully some videos. Trying to make any kind of a decision at this point is based purely on speculation and/or emotion. 
 
I also was surprised to see some of the attacks on Craig Anderton. As I recall, he has always been a Sonar supporter and participant on these forums.
 
 

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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 11:03:29 (permalink)
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I'm confounded by the degree of animosity and skepticism surrounding this release, especially on Gearslutz and KVR. As soon as X3 became public knowledge, but before any real details were known, comments came in like "it'll be overpriced",  "what a joke", and the prediction that "it will be an unstable mess". Has CW really pissed so many people off? Even the new guy in this soap opera, Craig Anderton, got attacked as "another empty suit". And he had nothing to do with X1.
 
As for me, it's been liberating to get off the upgrade bus. SONAR 8.5, Ozone 4, Kontakt 4 - and guess what? I'm still making music with all this outdated software! Come September 28th I plan on having fun with my new OTS Rickenbacker library while everyone else is trying to figure out what ARA is.



Assuming CW implemented the Melodyne/ARA integration as well as PreSonus did with Studio One, I think it'll be one of X3's most popular features.  At least for anyone who ever needs to adjust the pitch and/or timing of notes in a vocal or instrument track.  You guys who have struggled with V-Vocal will surely appreciate this!
 
With regard to the other announced enhancements, most of the grousing seems to be from those who already have a full complement of third-party plugins and haven't much use for the new additions.  There are only a few actual improvements to the core software listed -- they're nice but not exactly transformative, and IMHO not worth the upgrade cost.  And it remains to be seen if stability has improved. 
 
Here's hoping that the esteemed Mr. Anderton will have some input into future Sonar improvements, making it something special among the variety of options we have these days.
 
Cheers,
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 11:16:15 (permalink)
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As for me, it's been liberating to get off the upgrade bus. SONAR 8.5, Ozone 4, Kontakt 4 - and guess what? I'm still making music with all this outdated software! Come September 28th I plan on having fun with my new OTS Rickenbacker library while everyone else is trying to figure out what ARA is.


Craig had a really good article in Electronic Musician years ago about "getting by with older gear".
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 11:23:06 (permalink)
I'll wait until the smoke (& mirrors) clears then try the demo.
That's the only way to find out what's really happening without blowing any money.

I've already been making music using ARA for over a year, VST3 for 5 months- those feature improvements are no-brainers.

My interest is stability & how much the engine & overall performance has been improved over previous versions.
That's crucial for my use, the rest is just fluff.

(And of course with all the complaints I'm sure they've re-vamped those horrible Take Lanes)
post edited by carl - 2013/09/25 11:34:15
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Re: Sonar X3 Producer Upgrade 2013/09/25 11:58:43 (permalink)
I think I'll wait until CW at least, you know, actually announces it and puts up the web page before passing judgment.
 
They're always going to throw bundled stuff in to entice more people to upgrade, given that they're only being able to produce so much new code every year. I, like many here, certainly don't lack for plugins, but I also don't have to upgrade if the total package isn't attractive. And the trick for them is to try to make the total package attractive to the largest number of users.

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