Sonar X3c crashing

sad my friend before i changed my C drive sonar crashed every hour, and now i still find myself riding the ((save me))) button i call it. like it was a 21 paste ride..
your running the same rig as me but im just a little 6 core. not to let cake off the hook here but my  SSD was screwing up even after fresh install, new drivers fresh sonar x3 installed alone with nothing but sonar, and the drive would always fail in around 30-min to a hour, very odd as it would happen so much i would sometime have to turn off my rig before every project.. solution was a old crucial 64 gig drive replacing C. not even a drop out since.

What about
 
"Antivirus: Microsoft Security Essentials, Updated and Enabled?"
 
Could be the culprit?....hmmm...why post this tidbit of information?
Update drivers...and CakealexS's option to find the reasons...might guide you to know exactly where or what might be the cause.
 
Then
I would try some or all of "Black Vipers Tweaks" to the win 7 OS...could be something in serviced servies is messing / interrupting  the software's functionality.
 
http://www.blackviper.com/2009/10/01/black-vipers-windows-7-super-tweaks/
 
Might also be conflicting issues/hardware..2tb/3tb Seagate/usb/internet nic/audio interfaces...and perhaps IRQ issues with setup in slots shared?
So go over the setup with manual for the motherboard..and make sure nothing is installed in a shared slot on the mother board.
Bios settings?...turn off speed step?...VT tech, C1E for starters perhaps?...and if using onboard nic, turn that off for a test ....
 
What are the sustained speeds for reads and writes when one goes above 1tb?...and if so, what does windows essential security do when the file is written?
 
Personally I use WD Black 1tb 32mb cache Drives..the Red ones are suppose to be better made and longer lasting...?...But the Black ones are pretty Good....Mostly because I was told bigger means slower times in seeking, and writing...So I stay at 1tb max for the C:...But have moved on to SSDs now.
 
Seagate Drives in past for me, were nothing but problematic..many RMA's later...I learnt my lesson many moons ago...and made the switch.
 
Not saying this is now your problem , as they may have changed for the better...since 1999...but I ain't looking back.
 
Hope this helps
 
Sir Les

joyof60
 While rendering, sample converting or a few other operations, if the software has to 'think' or work to hard, it freezes (not responding) never to return...I have waited literally for hours.

I haven't done any serious testing, but an impression I've gotten using X2 is that if it ever has to wait on a hard disk it may hang/crash.  In your power management settings, do you let your hard drives power down to save energy ?  I've noticed that on my system that currently lets them do that, it can take sometimes several seconds for a drive to wake up and become available.  Other programs wait nicely while this is happening.
 

Oh another overlooked setting in Bios with win 7 32/64 that may cause .CRASHING.. IRQ sharing unnecessarily= Crashing = Sharing IRQs..which MS win 7 likes to do, and not let you change,...So in The Bios one might want to disable "Plug and Play" with them other settings I posted while you are in the Bios.
Google it if need be...or if unsure....wait till more input is revealed.
 
Win 7 will not allow you to make changes of IRQ setting manually anymore, no matter if plug and play is disabled or enabled in the bios....So you have to resort to extremes if need be, to gain that control...by making sure nothing will share with your built system from the get go......when Cards are put in appropriate slots, and double checking the manual to make sure the slot used is not sharing with another slot being used also by another card or onboard device..
 
You can check this out also = "shared" states of being by going into the = "start menu" / all programs/Accessories/system tools/ system info/ hardware resource/ conflict sharing...and look at the right hand pane window..and see what shares if anything, and post it up also .
 
Solutions?...sometimes there are none!....But..turning off "Plug and play" In Bios, resorts to Bios controlling the IRQ slot config of the motherboard...if you make sure to put those cards in unshared configuration...windows 7 may comply with Bios and not share your devices.. especially audio and or video ...so less Cards in a system equals Less possibilities of sharing.
Make sure the cards installed on the Motherboard are in unshared stated slot configurations=consult Motherboard manual.. set up bios with tweaks/save....reboot...and then start troubleshooting services/conflict sharing possibilities if the crashing continues.
 
You might not find bliss, but hair will be pulled out, and eyes will go weary....So lots of mead, and shrubberies, could help the pain and non melodic processes progress...perhaps, maybe, kinda.
 
But yes post up more info...from event viewer, and the above conflicts and sharing info....and start to rebuild the system as specified for blissful  further troubleshooting...
 
With the bios tweaks, and cards properly installed, this will resolve some variables...so you can move forward.. baby steps...to the next level of mayham, latest and greatest drivers, updates and fixes......and see what gives then, if it still continues to crash, turn off the security stuff...and if that don't work......I would try Black Vipers tweaks.
 
Just trying to help...But we all know it is broken when they sold it to you, and me, and them others.....thus the updates are necessary to fix it...some say....lol
 
So it is about controlling the variables..to solve for X....if you let MS do it for you..the above problematic issues occur...well then...enough said?...
So a little hands on in the build with care, Bios , and settings/service management is required by the owner......... .....I say....with some favorable results in some cases....
 
No screen savers, no sleep modes or auto sleep or monitor sleep modes, No power management of drives shutting down to save power, and such, no video eye candy=...
Sometimes helps to control glitches by turning them off, or the monitor that monitors your usage of the machine (services)..,,and you gain More cpu performance for your DAW...and plug ins.. /..cause less services are running in background.

Sir Les I'm merely stating (other than drivers) those are performance tweaks and will not prevent the crashing, therefore it won't fix the OP's issue (a driver update may help however assuming this is indeed a driver issue, and I always recommend updating drivers anyway along with running windows update).
 
This UAC protection pops up asking if you are sure you want to install software you asked TO BE INSTALLED by clicking on the installer.....Now this function, is unnecessary and pointless...if I click on a installer, I want it to install without interruptions of the os asking me again to do so...thankyou very much MS
 
As I said "Disabling this will allow malicious processes to make changes at the admin level without notifying you."
 
This is about as useless as having a PIN number on your credit card.... further info here (this functionality is often misunderstood):
http://www.7tutorials.com/uac-why-you-should-never-turn-it-off
 
btw If the error is logged in the event viewer this could point to an immediate solution. Exactly what happened to me when I installed X3 and had crashes (this pointed me straight to a buggy third party DLL which was behaving perfectly well with X2).
 
Ta

Thanks guys, so very much! I will check the event log (as soon as I figure out where that is) , card slots all are ok, and I posted the fact that MS essentials was updated and running was to help in knowing that virus, spyware, malware scans had already been done. I had been using a program "end it all" to disable other programs running in the background. I stopped using it when all this started without any noticeable change.
No green drives, and no other functions/processes going on at the same time, I do have web access, but have grossly limited usage of any other programs in the machine as my original quest was to use it for audio recording alone. Cakewalk says the Sonar drivers are up to date. Windows is updated regularly. I havnt tried disabling MSSE and the others (windows updated, anti spyware etc) from automatic updates. No 32bit sonar has been installed to my knowledge. I always look for a 64 bit version and install that as the only one. I don't have anything overclocked, and the BIOS is as it was upon install of the mobo. I have already lost most of my hair and the local bee keepers always notice a decrease in production as a project is underway due to my mead consumption. ; ). I will try to find the event log thing and post accordingly as that seems to be the place to start and the one thing I believe all are in agreement on. Thanks again to all for your time spent here, it is an indeed encouragement that I have chosen the correct product, with such wonderful support! Thanks again guys! Will update as soon as possible!
A side note here that I recently have noticed the occurances appear to be more frequent when I am browsing through the drum samples. (Not sure how to use these yet or rather make them work but some are quite nice)
And as for plugins, I'm not sure of the difference between the 32bit and the 64bit ones. I do use some of the provided effects modules that are nice as well, but I don't know how to use anything else such as instruments and all. Not sure if that helps or not, thanks again guys!!

Hay CakeAlexS...if UAC interrupts  occur during installation of any software...it could pose to corrupt said install...when installing software...Not saying it does, not saying it doesn't...Just saying it can!...I am saying to reduce all variables.//AS SOME SOFTWARE MANUFACTURES REQUEST// TURN OFF ALL VIRUS PROTECTION SOFTWARE BEFORE INSTALLING...Is this a suggestion or a command?..If sonar was installed with it on...then sonar may have been installed with errors due to the interruption of it's natural installation, with background apps in session to boot also causing issues??? virus software running while installing is not recommended...reason,??? it interrupts the install some times...hence turn off virus software is stated in some installers...UAC is such a thing?...to protect the OS?...But it interrupts.....and thus it could cause crashing because something got written in the code wrongly when being installed.....Widened perspectives views of the variables should prevail hear ...is all I am putting forth.
 
And the link to vipers tweaks...he has many...and one for audio is available for win 7....
 
Not sure what UAC does?...well look into it...it is redundant if the software is legit being installed...the need to verify my wanting to install something I engaged to install makes the process strained...by my understanding...Not to use Virus protection while installing software.
 
And is ...with in reason...reasonable thought processes....
 
" SOFTWARE IS NOT INSTALLED CORRECTLY " messages?...makes me wonder why, that I have seen from time to time...with UAC on...Why?
 
Working out the legitimacy of any installer of software...is governed by the ones making it, and those who bought it legit, and are installing it seemingly correctly?...
 
We hope this OP ...is the master of his domain....Not MS..or me or another...and to put software installers of merit in safe places, and or protects said installers from gaining virus infection by putting them on CD/DVD / or backup medium in it's original legal, or other wise states of being , which cannot be corrupted by virus ...If that should happen to the system, the master has backups....when using said system for internet downloads and such, which can lead to virus infection of the system and all files and such on it.
 
Yes performance and cpu loads, and wait states, and irq polling/conflicts with drivers/ and devices not behaving together/ or installed wrongly in slots...can cause crashing...So to reduce this stated state...if it is all, or some, or one of ...? check it, read up about it, set it up right first.....Then when that is done..one could turn off redundant services/devices/ and or background apps to gain more exclusivity of the cpu and memory...and use only that which benefits the user/Software of choice, and system setup to spec/ when doing Music or video applications which require CPU/memory intensive use....equals more cpu exclusivity to the software in use or being used to do so...which translates into better performance/behavior/ in said software with third party plugins and devices working together properly.. no pops no clicks no grunts and certainly no crashes...ect ect ect.....
 
So to go through all of the hoops, and reduce burn out of the brain... and saves hair from falling out...do not overlook anything...I SAY....and forward motion should prevail.....Wink....start at the build level (CHECK/latest Drivers), if persistent  view logs (CHECK) work towards the tweak level if persistent (CHECK), and if still persistent there after?... then thrash out the culprit By swapping out Cards...and leaning towards Bugs in software complaints = Bliss we hope?...well it should or could happen.....Not saying it will....and mums the word on that logical progression to resolve or reduce variables that may cause may ham...and hair loss!
 
More mead and berries should prove delectable delighted delinquency in servitude...In consumption there of...or pondering the matter at hand more, when those logs and such come forth...to say something is ****ing this process of bliss, I am sure you can agree with me on..and methods which leads to...(the holy answer) ..some of the above being necessary to do, in certain states....But yes be safe, Look into it...go deep..go wide...read up....and make the jump to light speed.
 
So As I said...If you turn things off,(You can turn them back on) that are not really necessary ..like UAC....and some have tried Vipers tips and tricks, and posted thanks for the tips..meaning nothing adverse has happened when doing so, in accordance to his instruction on how to.........or just turn it down, or to none, or manual...instead of medium or high....that is LESS monitoring/interruptions/ of the installation of legitimate software/ software functioning reads and writes  to drives/ and taxing of CPU and Memory....One does not want interruptions of these writes and reads/ and cpu/memory process states while working in said installed correctly software.?..clicks and pops aside....?
 
Sir Les

if you understand how a win7+ computer works you don't need uac; e.g., i have it turned off, my mum and my kids have it turned on... if you're concerned about "malicious processes" then use a different machine for your porn er other stuff (how do i format a strike-through?)
 
be excellent to each other

> if you're concerned about "malicious processes" then use a different machine
 
That is ridiculous, any machine connected to the internet is at risk (if even briefly)...
 
So sad people who claim to be experts really don't understand the concept of admin rights or why UAC was introduced (do you really think Microsoft introduced it just as some annoying nag screen? Really?) .... same people who probably don't install virus scanners or firewalls because they think they don't need them.
http://technet.microsoft....9628%28v=ws.10%29.aspx
 
Anyway educate yourself... That's all I'm saying....
Perhaps install Linux, maybe that will give you a clue about security and desktop machines. Check out the sudo command. If you are moaning at Microsoft you are going to have a super fit when it comes to Linux.
 
(So you might as well give me your pin number now)
 
At the end of the day it's fine if you choose to throw in a massive security risk for your own machine that's your business, but please don't encourage others to do the same and claim you can resolve crashes by using performance tweaks...

That is why I do not connect my Music systems to the internet  (as a rule of thumb, and as prescribed by my audio desk manufactures )...and UAC is redundant on them, as is MS essentials and "defender", and or other versions of virus protection on those systems....if I keep them safe and sound...
But I have connected them for manual MS updates....a risk we all take...yep..but sometimes necessary net frame works and such needs to be updated to work with the latest drivers and bug fixes and such and so on and so forth....So no standards...eh?...well the ISP should provide enough protection on the connection for a MS update...and then disconnect....also on the router/modem there is protection also, and such...so no worries?....hack all they want...if it is mostly un connected no worries....?
 
So some sacrifices may be in order Here with Joyof60.,....and some other paths to buying a secondary lap top or system for internet, Gaming, and other things.... with a large usb key Drive...and put that system online with security enforced to the max...JUST TO MAKE YOU HAPPY CAKEALEXS,...Wink.....
Always scan before moving that usb drive or stick to the off line systems (tweaked if need be with no worries)...with sonar also installed and online,...so the online help and such can be used on that, while the Primary Music system does the real work...Perhaps a solution?....perhaps.
 
But until we see the viewer info and irq listed states....it is still a crap shoot...
 
I do not need UAC or Firewalls, or Virus protection or malware, or auto updates, and some third party services continually running in background continually.... on some systems....As do others...
 
 
What is good for the goose is not always good for the gander....
 
If one is serious about the getting Blissful music production and functionality out of their systems    (stability)??......Sometimes things have to be sacrificed.......(but not always)
 
Burp...oops...excuse me...and thanks...For quotes...But the idea was to say what happened to me was unfortunate.(one in a million billion)..it should not be used in the light of this thread as a negative statement...It was a question I asked YOU AlexS, if I should tell Joyof60 not to do any updates as it could causes problems...like I experienced....But I have not done so in the telling him to not do...although it is unlikely what has happened to me in past, will ever happen again..to anyone....virus checkers and such will interrupt downloads, scan the file sometimes before and always after, and while installing, and such when finished downloading...all problematic in terms of corruption potential...remove the potential, and we may solve for X....Is all I am saying!...so do not twist the un twistable.
 
There is no fight here AlexS, and there are only Possibilities and pathways to something better, or worse....one step at a time.
 
Setup, reduce, refine, update, DEFINE, And solve for X...all variables need to be addressed in noted formation ....
 
Simplicity works best when taken literally.... with Mead.
 
Sir Les
 

Yup totally agree mettelus. The operating system was not crashing.
 
Check Event viewer and what you say about the buffers is entirely valid as well.
 
Updating drivers (and even firmware) could be valid as well but would be nice to get feedback first.

Why is wait state in progress?= hanging command or poll to process...not implemented right? or is waiting for something to stop using the cpu....something holding on to cpu cycles?...and then the path widens to this...thought.... without X..... takes many forms to address!....agree or disagree on what it could be...when what it is is held out of view.....one thing is for certain...it ain't working right..

Oh and also if security software is on when using Sonar.. "Rendering" is a write function to a drive...Security will detect it...and could cause issues.
 
So...it comes to this because it is mentioned in the OP...and so the thought process on it  is mead....LOL
 
Just trying to keep things in good spirits...
 
Sir Les

 Hay Bristol Jonesey,  Where is that Aud.ini file located?...and what is written poorly in the original one, and or why, to need to renew it?..or can you explain more as to why one would or should...
 
I was unaware of this work around....and I still got issues...and have sent several reports now.
 
Thanks

AUD.INI is where your Sonar settings are kept.
Bare in mind you should keep a record of your Sonar settings in preferences, or better still just rename the file to keep a record.
 
Four reasons to do this:
 
* File got corrupted.
* Your cakewalk settings are invalid (maybe down to an upgrade script going wrong or something) and it's best to start again.
* You wanna see if it makes any difference in a crashing app scenario.
* Fancy a cleanup.
 
So yes a dodgy AUD.INI could be the cause of crashes as well, nicely pointed out...