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Jlien X
Thanks for your feedback.
Point 1: Doesn't that mean that even those who don't understand computers can use Studio One, etc.and isn't that a good thing?
Point 2: Sorry, my English isn't good. I wanted to mean that you can't sell your Sonar to someone. 
 

Point 1 Apples and Oranges.  Just becaue 1 piece of sofware works well on one platform does not mean that another similar piece of software will work the same way on the same platform.
Point 2.  For the same reasons that technically I can't sell some one a (You name the artist here) song.  The artist or in this respect Roland ownes the intellectual copyright on Sonar.

 
To clarify my points...

Point 1: I often hear people say Sonar doesn't work on their computers while other daws like S1, Reaper, Live, Cubase all work. Isn't it natural to think that Sonar is indeed unstable on many computers and shouldn't it be improved if Cakewalk wants more people to use the program?

Point 2: You can't put your Sonar on the Buy & Sell section.

If you cant 'Beat Em', 'Bash Em'

I am an ex IT guy, stepped away from the business in 2002. That's means I am 11 years out of date, which in turn means I am as clueless as any first time computer user.
 
I built my first PC in 1991, specs below.
 
I have had a few bad apps over the years, but Sonar/Cakewalk isn't one of them. In fact, just about everything I install...works. I currently run a network composed of 16 nodes, a mix of routers, PCs, laptop and desktop, Android devices, and printers. I have a ton of software and apps installed, and...
 
 
Everything works.
 
I open the shrinkwrap, stuff the disk in the drive, let the software make most of its own choices, and everything works. I bought used machines, new machines, built my own, and most combinations there-of. Factory installed OS and self partitioned, self installed OS.
 
Everything works.
 
I don't do code, reverse engineer, tweak, cuss, pull hair, none of it.
 
Install what I need and everything works.
 
I lost two networks, in 22 years, to virus/security issues, know what I did wrong, and don't do that anymore. (WebOS Palm Pixi brought down one, Win2K server in the DMZ killed the other.
 
Other than that, everything works.
 
I call Support from time to time. Twice with the network in its current config. Once to authorize a series of IK products, once to install and authorize and East West product.
 
I have to admit...I wonder just what these people do to their machines to get them so far out of whack. Actually...I suspect I already know, having had to fix several for friends.
 
Free games, free applications, free toolbars, free antivirus, free pron, free screensavers, and free plugins...
 
...ain't free.
 
Cheap junk...
 
...doesn't work.
 
You can buy a truckload of $100 two year old servers, and every one will have problems. The ones that don't are still running, in the corporation that dumped the problem children to the wholesaler.
 
Walmart software, you know, the substitute for Autocad that does everything Autocad does, for $49.95, doesn't work.
 
That Mitsumimikaka DVD writer that costs half what a Sony does...doesn't work.
 
Those one thousand free games you downloaded from XYZ Downloads.com...actually work just fine. Not the game parts. those don't work...the parts that work are the parts you aren't supposed to see, that open back doors, sell your information, download ads without your consent, install more screwed up games, etc. etc.
 
Figure out what you want the box to do.
 
Search online and see what the professionals who do that use. hardware and software.
 
Search for the hardware/software combination you are considering, with the keyword "Problem".
 
Not going into OS install today.
 
Fire up your new box, go directly to MS and patch it to date.
 
Install a recognized security app, and patch it to date.
 
Again and again and again, until it says No New Updates available.
 
Turn off auto-everything.
 
Install your apps.
 
If you hang it on the net, patch it to date once a month, manually, paying ATTENTION to what the patches say they are going to do.
 
Try to avoid major upgrades to major components of the OS or apps. If a doctor says he can rip out half YOUR brain, and replace it, and it will work better, don't believe HIM either.
 
Unhook the ethernet cable or turn off wireless, except on your network boxes.
 
Place a hardware router between your netboxs and your core (non-internet) machines. Place a hardware router between your entire LAN and the internet.
 
Back up the network once a month. Do NOT use ANY backup program. Copy files from source to target. Backup programs compress, and set flags, that YOU don't know enough to trust. When a backup completes you are NOT done. You have NO BACKUP until you COPY THREE FILES FROM BACKUP MEDIA TO HARDDRIVE AND OPEN THEM.
 
SUCCESSFULLY.
 
Keep boneheads off your critical machines. People that think "free" means "free" are boneheads. Use passwords, and firewalls. Put boneheads on standalone machines, or get them their own pipe to the net. If you have to hang boneheads on your network, put as many walls between them and you as you can. If even ONE machine is infested with Freeware, expect ALL of them to be infested soon.
 
If it works....if it does what you paid for it to do, LEAVE IT ALONE. Do NOT upgrade OS, do NOT upgrade major apps, do NOT retask machines that fill a specific need that ARE FILLING IT NOW. Buy a new one, with a plan in mind, research the plan, execute the plan, and do NOT take the old machine out of production until the new one is doing EVERYTHING you used the old one for for at least 3 months.
 
If it doesn't work....note exactly when it failed. If it has probs when the only thing on it is the OS...guses where your problem lies, and guess where your problem will STILL lie. after you bury it with quality applications.
 
If it works fine thru Sonar install, fine with Ozone install, and starts crashing when you install Joe's free, super plug, you downloaded off Azzwarez.com, guess where the problem is.
 
This doesn't seem that complicated to me.
 
I'm not real sure why it does to some.
 
Or maybe I am.
 
;-)

I bought the Win8 upgrade during the initial sale but have yet to install it.  Win7 is working well that I just haven't felt inspired to spend the time to upgrade, even though I already have it.   Now, if someone wants to take me up on that free touch screen offer, I'd be happy to upgrade asap and give it a try.   
 

The fact is, dozens, maybe hundreds of these people you two are pointing fingers at and accusing of being less competent than your own grandiose selves can run the very same projects on Reaper and Studio One all day long with out a hiccup.
 
It is that easy.
 
The finger pointing is not appreciated... and make no mistake, I just think it's in poor taste... my SONAR install works 99.99% rock solid, so I know you are not speaking about me. :-)
 
I am simply insulted that some of you guys think that insulting other people is a demonstration of your friendly and helpful nature.
 
Well done.
 
best regards,
mike
 
 
 
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mike_mccue
....these people you two are pointing fingers at and excusing of being less competent than your own grandiose selves can run the very same projects on Reaper and Studio One all day long with out a hiccup.
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The finger pointing is not appreciated... and make no mistake, I just think it's in poor taste...
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I am simply insulted that some of you guys think that insulting other people is a demonstration of your friendly and helpful nature.
 
Well done.
 
best regards,
mike

Your generalization above is misplaced in my opinion. Bob has been very helpful to a large number of users in resolving their problems while using SONAR. The reference as "grandiose" is ridiculous when referring to such a humble and helpful person who I am happy is part of the SONAR community. I encourage you to reread his post and consider where he exhibited any of the characteristics you ascribe to him.
You of course are entitled to your own opinions about SONAR, as is Bob or anyone else is.
 
 

Hi Brando,
 
Yours was a very thoughtful and well spoken post.
 
 I'm going to be real clear.
 
 You, me and Bob are bystanders, yet one of us expects to be satisfied with a full and detailed explanation or he describes a complaint as "baseless".
 
Hi Bob,
 I feel that statements like that, and previous statements where by you have demanded that people give this forum first chance at fixing a problem before any complaining seems credible requires a hubris that I find distasteful.
 
 Determining that complaints that haven't been described to your complete satisfaction are "baseless" is an example of a hubris that I find surprising coming from a guy that seems genuinely intent on helping. No one owes you any explanation and the suggestion that they do is something-centric to a fault.
 
 I got lots of faults (that's for my friend jb101 to quote and run with) but kicking people when they are down just because they won't grab my hand for a lift up isn't one of them. 
 
 It's pretty simple.
 
 The complicated part is that I do agree that you are very helpful and sincerely genuine. I just wish I didn't have to see you insult people while you were at it.
 
 Stay calm.
 X3 will be arriving soon.
 
 
 all the best,
mike
 
 

mike_mccue
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 I'm going to be real clear.
 .....

 
That would have been one of those rare occasions..... but ..... in the end you couldn't pull it off.
Somebody trying to be helpful on a user forum where people are looking for help is hubris in your book?
Jeez - my suggestion is just not read it. Which I often find myself doing with many of your posts - until you start to slog at people who I think are doing a service to the SONAR community.
And here we are again...
 
BEST REGARDS,
 
 

If you remove two of the "contributers" to that thread then it isn't much if a thread at all. One of them I recognise from the Propellerhead Forum and I would say he was one of the most reviled people on there.
I find it funny that he was too "sick" to get his list of Sonar bugs (from upstairs!) to allow someone to test them many days ago and never returned to that thread.
People are funny.

Grum.

CJaysMusic
If you cant 'Beat Em', 'Bash Em'

+1

http://uadforum.com/general-discussion/14335-official-what-daw-s-do-you-use-poll.html
 
The poll had a total of 163 respondents.
 
What does that tell ya?
 
I'm going with "not much".
 
best regards,
mike
 
 

Take heart... Cakewalk is posting videos every day on Facebook. I don't guess they would be doing that if they were folding the tent, and the videos are about how to do things in X2 so I wouldn't expect too many changes. Hopefully just improvements and fixes in X3 or whatever we get. I can't imagine that they will force touch on us or force us to use Windows 8. I could be wrong and they may eventually go all W8 but W7 is still too new to be dropped. Too many people would be forced to buy a new cmputer or a new OS and that would really cut into Sonar sales, I really don't see that happening.
Just trying to see the brighter side of things. Maybe I should consult my 8 Ball.
 
J
 

I think Mike is still unhappy that the SONAR X series exists, and that the "classic" 8.5 ceased to be developed.  Yes, others feel the same way (a few are around these parts) so he's not the only one.  He just tends to point out that fact more often.   I think Bapu puts him up to it.    
 
Anyhow... I really believe that the X series is doing quite well for CW and that they're doing just fine.   I could be wrong, just like anyone else.   But I guess we'll all know in the next six months or so if the typical release schedule is still intact.  I hope the next thing draws in even more users and helps to smooth things out in the universe. 
 

Ahh the myth...  "If it works on my system and not yours it can't be a problem with the application."  And of course the application developers will always say the reason you are having problems is that there are too many configurations out there.  I have a degree in programming and spent 8 years doing tech support for HP servers so I know a little about computers.  Sonar has always been problematic for me except for 8.5.  No other app has had that many problems.  I've been doing computer audio since Dr T's Sequencer on a Commodore 64 so I have some perspective.  If it works on your system and not someone else's your it is misguided to assume that that fault cannot be the application.

Yup, this an easy conversation to have... no one makes me use SONAR.  If it stopped working for me, I would get frustrated but I would come to this forum first and describe my problem to see if anyone else had the same issue before. And more often than not, it turns out to be a setting here or there that needs tweaking and I am back in business.  I say that to me, that part of the value of SONAR is this actual forum, would provides quicker, better and more support than the CW support system.
 
I have a very advanced system running SONAR... WIN 8 (with touch monitors), remote controlling with a surface RT, running a QUAD processor with a Thunderbolt MOBO with a PCIe UAD2 DSP card and an APOLLO interface connected via TB.... this is even non supported by UAD2.  Sonar is purring like a lion... giving me ZERO issues at the moment.
 
Do I cringe and wait before the noise settles down on new versions from the bakers?  Yup, but I wait for the noise to quiet down before I try and test the latest version.  I am sure you all remember the fiasco of the version that created the MOTOR BOATING audio for most of us. But, did the bakers fix that rather quickly?  I thought so, but not quick enough for some users I suppose.
 
I do feel for the users/systems that don't play nice with SONAR but I bet every DAW has a percentage of their users with the same type of issues, no?  But to reiterate, no one makes me or anyone else use SONAR, I for one, actually like it and I have been using SONAR since CAKEWALK 1 was released back in the early 90s. I was a DR T's user on an ATARI ST prior to that and picked CW for my first PC because it was a bit similar to DR T's.  
 
I can say that every problem I have had (and I have had my share of them) were all worked out over time with the help of the many experienced users on this very forum and I THANK each and one of you (them) who have helped me over the years.
 
I agree with all the comments that basically stated that if you don't like SONAR, go find another piece of software that works better for you.  Has complaining every gotten posiitve results????
 
Sorry for the ranting,
Jim